2014 Petrobras Brazilian Grand Prix

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If Hamilton gets pole then it's all academic as it's unlikely in a straight race that Nico would get past him (going by previous race stats). Nico needs pole badly here otherwise any pressure on him will be multiply many fold and then I could see something happening especially if Nico is just behind Hamilton after the final stops.
 
RE: Prost-Senna: That's not a gamble Nico would want to take.

And, seeing as he doesn't like being booed, I doubt he'd do it, anyway.

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Nico may very well win the race. He'll be more eager to do so than Hamilton, if only to prove he can outrace him. But his championship chances depend on a roll of the dice. Hamilton almost ruined his run by being impatient in Brazil. I don't suppose lightning will strike twice...

But then, this is Hamilton... he could very well bung it up. Again.

Think given the fact it was combined error of him killing his tyres + the team telling him to stay out an extra lap, I don't think that circumstance will happen again.
 
If they are alongside, all Nico has to do is run him wide, what can he loose? Without misfortune for Hamilton, Rosberg will not be champion. Nico's got everything to gain and nothing to loose... Hamilton knows this and knows that he can't afford any risks. If anything I can see Hamilton backing out of it in turn 1 and sitting a second or so behind Nico for the entire race.
 
Nico's got everything to gain and nothing to loose...
Just a guaranteed loss of the title if he damages his car in a collision with Hamilton. Hamilton doesn't have to worry about that scenario anywhere near as much. Even if he is pushed wide and loses a couple of places, he knows with the Merc he can get them back if necessary.
 
It didn't work out like that in Spa.
The race that Ricciardo won because of a collision between the two Mercs? So yes, if that happens again then Nico won't win the title and I'm presuming that might play on his mind come any wheel-to-wheel action.
 
If we had a repeat of Spa Rosberg would gain 36 points on Hamilton and win the title.
 
It's a remote possibility. Remember... Nico was doubly lucky with that collision. Lucky to escape any penalty (which... I agree, he shouldn't have gotten, anyway... but it truly was 50:50). Lucky to come away with little enough damage to actually finish the race.

There's no guarantee he'd survive as easily next time. And, despite not subscribing to conspiracy theories about the press forcing the team to favor Hamilton, Lewis's whining to the press has certainly ensured that the stewards are keeping a close eye on the young German. He's received several warnings from them since then, and I think they'll be keen to pounce on any shenanigans that might affect the title race.
 
If we had a repeat of Spa Rosberg would gain 36 points on Hamilton and win the title.
Fair point, but as Niky says, he was lucky that time whether anyone considers it deliberate or not (I don't btw). I would have thought that with front wings as large and delicate as they are these days, anyone planning on deliberately hitting another car with the intent of then carrying on is taking a huge gamble. I doubt any driver would consider that a viable tactic unless absolutely desperate.

However, if the intent is that both of you don't finish, then the conspiracy theorists will be tempted to say that Hamilton has that as an option as if you hit anyone hard enough it's unlikely either of you will be able to continue - step forward Mr Senna and Mr Schumacher (although it didn't work for Schumacher the second time on Villeneuve).
 
Still, Rosberg already has next season's ticket with Merc, and I haven't heard anything of Lewis' side of things... What if Lewis can't pull it off, and then what happens to him?
 
Lewis has a 3 year contract from the start of 2013 to the end of 2015.
 
You have two driven, very quick drivers in the best car in the field.

One of them is a twitter-God (partially thanks to a very famous girlfriend) and British, which the press and fans like. And he makes music, apparently, and wears an ear-ring.

The other is German. And, as we all know, all German F1 drivers are evil. There's Sir Dick Dastardly himself (Get well soon), Adrian "The Slasher" Sutil, Sebastian "The Dirty Finger" Vettel and Timo "Oh Get Over it, Felipe" Glock. And now we have Nico "I Made a Point" Rosberg.

Never mind that Lewis has been a right arse at times, the fans love hating German drivers and that's that. But the German mother company loves having a German driver, so that's that, as well.
 
You have two driven, very quick drivers in the best car in the field.

One of them is a twitter-God (partially thanks to a very famous girlfriend) and British, which the press and fans like. And he makes music, apparently, and wears an ear-ring.

The other is German. And, as we all know, all German F1 drivers are evil. There's Sir Dick Dastardly himself (Get well soon), Adrian "The Slasher" Sutil, Sebastian "The Dirty Finger" Vettel and Timo "Oh Get Over it, Felipe" Glock. And now we have Nico "I Made a Point" Rosberg.

Never mind that Lewis has been a right arse at times, the fans love hating German drivers and that's that. But the German mother company loves having a German driver, so that's that, as well.
Couldn't have put it better myself! If Hamilton was German there's no way he wouldn't have been called out on all the crap he's pulled this year.
 
Oh... Hammy has done lots of evil in the past... but this year, aside from being a little rough when shutting the door on Nico early in the season, he hasn't done anything of questionable legality.

But yes, if he was German, he'd get a lot more boos.
 
I think the Rosberg boos have died down, I haven't noticed any in the last few races.
 
Oh... Hammy has done lots of evil in the past... but this year, aside from being a little rough when shutting the door on Nico early in the season, he hasn't done anything of questionable legality.

But yes, if he was German, he'd get a lot more boos.
He hasn't done much wrong on the track, apart from what you've already mentioned. But the way he lied to the media to manipulate the public view of Rosberg was just horrible. In my mind there is no doubt that Lewis wanted to turn the fans against Nico, in order to damage his mentality, and give his own mentality and focus a boost; by making himself seem like a victim of some horrible crime that never actually happened. Luckily for him, people bought it! If the tables were turned, Nico would never have been able to have gotten away with that. Not that I'd even want him to try. This is just my opinion but as far as sporting tactics go, mind games like that are the lowest of the low!
 
He hasn't done much wrong on the track, apart from what you've already mentioned. But the way he lied to the media to manipulate the public view of Rosberg was just horrible. In my mind there is no doubt that Lewis wanted to turn the fans against Nico, in order to damage his mentality, and give his own mentality and focus a boost; by making himself seem like a victim of some horrible crime that never actually happened. Luckily for him, people bought it! If the tables were turned, Nico would never have been able to have gotten away with that. Not that I'd even want him to try. This is just my opinion but as far as sporting tactics go, mind games like that are the lowest of the low!
Lied? I'm fairly certain Wolff said Hamilton was accurate about him trying to prove a point. I imagine the conversation went something along the lines of LH: "What were you doing?" NR: "I was trying to prove a point." How do you not interpret that in the way Lewis did after Monaco and Canada? You'd be fuming if you were in Lewis' shoes after the incident.
 
Lied? I'm fairly certain Wolff said Hamilton was accurate about him trying to prove a point. I imagine the conversation went something along the lines of LH: "What were you doing?" NR: "I was trying to prove a point." How do you not interpret that in the way Lewis did after Monaco and Canada? You'd be fuming if you were in Lewis' shoes after the incident.
Wolff confirmed that Nico said he "hadn't pulled out of the move to prove a point", and not what Lewis claimed to have been said by Nico, which was apparently an admission of deliberate contact. You only have to think about it for five seconds, just to realise what a load of tosh that actually is! I mean what driver is going to use his car as a battering ram against his main rival mid-season, when the result of doing so could easily be forcing themselves into retirement, and their opponent gaining an even larger lead? It's not guaranteed to work in their favour you know.

By the way not pulling out of a move is not equivalent to hitting someone on purpose. Neither driver intended contact and even just before the contact there was still a chance they both could have made it round, with no contact whatsoever. Rosberg thought Lewis would leave just enough room (it's not as if he'd have been able to get past there anyhow) and so held his line, while Lewis shut the door thinking there was no way Nico would try to keep his nose in. It was an innocent misunderstanding on both their parts.

Also who is then going to admit to doing it on purpose afterwards? It just doesn't happen! As for the Monaco incident, Lewis hadn't even actually seen it for himself before he ran crying to teacher. He'd barely stepped out of the car after the session before he went into full blown 'start sulking, make people feel sorry for me' mode.

And Canada? Yes Nico locked up under pressure from Hamilton, and ran across the tarmac run off at full speed, gaining a few car lengths. But sorry, he did nothing that was against the rules. Hamilton wasn't in front or alongside Rosberg when this happened, so Nico made no gains in position. I can understand Lewis feeling annoyed that he had to bring the gap down all over again but in the end the fact of the matter is, the regulations don't specify that in that situation, you must drop back into the claws of your rival. However this is all trivial as he didn't even finish the race due to brake trouble. So all that whining afterwards served no good purpose whatsoever.
 
I can't remember him saying much in Canada, his team radio said the stewards were looking into it but nothing happened whilst Hamilton remained quiet.

"While Wolff has denied that Rosberg admitted crashing deliberately, SSN reports that the Mercedes boss has confirmed Rosberg acknowledged "he could have avoided crashing but didn’t [in order to] make a point.”

"A Mercedes spokesperson confirmed that Hamilton's explosive account of the meeting was 'broadly accurate'."

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report...iberately-but-confirms-he-was-proving-a-point
 
Which could just as easily mean that Rosberg knew the move was risky, but he stuck with it; not expecting contact to actually result. Hamilton himself has pulled many such moves. You need to remember that only a tiny part of Nico's car (his front wing endplate) touched Hamiltons tyre. As accurate as these guys have to be I doubt any of them could pull that one off deliberately, at 100+ mph...
 
Which could just as easily mean that Rosberg knew the move was risky, but he stuck with it; not expecting contact to actually result. Hamilton himself has pulled many such moves. You need to remember that only a tiny part of Nico's car (his front wing endplate) touched Hamiltons tyre. As accurate as these guys have to be I doubt any of them could pull that one off deliberately, at 100+ mph...
I don't believe that he's intentionally tried to puncture Hamilton, I think he's went in committed and tried to pull off a move which deep down he knew wasn't going to work but because he had yielded to Hamilton multiple times before he didn't want to lose out again.
 
I don't believe that he's intentionally tried to puncture Hamilton, I think he's went in committed and tried to pull off a move which deep down he knew wasn't going to work but because he had yielded to Hamilton multiple times before he didn't want to lose out again.
Exactly! And I'm sure Hamilton knew this as well. I would have sympathized completely with Lewis had he come out and said Nico had ruined his race with an extremely daft misjudgement (or something to that effect), but instead he basically accused him of doing it on purpose. And that's just going too far in my opinion.
 
Exactly! And I'm sure Hamilton knew this as well. I would have sympathized completely with Lewis had he come out and said Nico had ruined his race with an extremely daft misjudgement (or something to that effect), but instead he basically accused him of doing it on purpose. And that's just going too far in my opinion.

Call it a hunch, but something tells me that you would not sympathise with Hamilton had he done as you suggest :sly:
 
Call it a hunch, but something tells me that you would not sympathise with Hamilton had he done as you suggest :sly:
Actually yes, I would have. Because as much as I believe there was no malice in Rosberg's driving, it was a moronic move on his part nonetheless. So sorry pal, but your 'hunch' is way off!
 
Actually yes, I would have. Because as much as I believe there was no malice in Rosberg's driving, it was a moronic move on his part nonetheless. So sorry pal, but your 'hunch' is way off!

Not to worry pal, hunch's can be off. There was a little humour intended in that previous post of mine which was obviously missed & related to your, by your own admission anti-Hamilton bias.
 
Hamilton getting on the horn, far and wide, proclaiming that Nico had basically admitted to committing murder, was, indeed... pretty foul... but him being pretty upset about it, his interpretation could have been off.

Hamilton does have a history of saying stupid things, though. I think he only has himself to blame for being shown up by his team-mate all season long in qualifying, for when he basically told the press that Nico wasn't hungry enough... ironically ensuring that Nico had impetus to prove he was... :lol:

The mind games were played on both sides this season, but it's Lewis, really, who put team and friendship in jeopardy by firing the first salvo.
 
If it's like having the open class bikes in MotoGP then it will surely make for a more stable series than the current one and potentially more exciting if these cars have an advantage in qualifying.
 
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