2014 Santander British Grand Prix

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That was weather induced. He will go backwards during the race. His car isn't good enough to hold that position on race pace.

As for what I think will happen in the race.

It will be Force India making forward progress at the expense of the two McLarens and Hamilton will be 2nd/3rd very shortly after the start.
 
So frustrated with Lewis... The only time Nico has looked faster than Lewis this year was Catalunya, everywhere else Lewis clearly had a race pace advantage. I'm not bothered about Nico winning, just the fact that he's not fast enough to warrant a WDC.

I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. Let's say that I agree with your sentiment of him not being fast enough to warrant a WDC (whatever that means), intelligence and strategy plays just as pivotal a role in winning anything as raw talent would.
 
While I think that Lewis could wipe the floor with Nico in the absence of mitigating circumstances... I agree.

Lewis has had bad luck these past two qualifying sessions... but part of that is self-induced. Last time, he forgot to do a banker. This time, he got complacent... and decided not to do a second run to cover the others... a horrible mistake to fall victim to on a wet track.

Nico has been playing smart. He doesn't have the pace or smoothness of Hamilton in his driving, but he has been pushing and pushing and trying and trying. And if he wins WDC, hell, he will deserve it... completely.
 
That was weather induced. He will go backwards during the race. His car isn't good enough to hold that position on race pace.

As for what I think will happen in the race.

It will be Force India making forward progress at the expense of the two McLarens and Hamilton will be 2nd/3rd very shortly after the start.

Weather induced maybe ... British weather predictable definitely not , he has a slim chance granted but he proved he has pace in the wet time and time agin and I am sure if its a wet race he could bring it home in 3rd if he dug deep, Perez will do something stupid as usual , and that leaves hulkingberg force India has not got good pace at silverstone I think mclaren will finish ahead of force India this weekend.
 
Great qualifying, Hamilton needs another Senna-like first lap like he had in Austria to have any chance of winning...
 
Does that mean he is out of the race? Or can he still take part?
 
He'll start from the rear of the grid.

Edit: Actually he'll start 20th, ahead of the two Caterhams that failed to get within 107%.
 
Probably the best Quali session I've even seen, that was fantastic! If the race is half that good it will be a classic.

Marussia top Ferrari powered team, nobody would have called that! Great job by the team, and by both drivers to get to 12th and 13th. Both felt without the yellow they could have gone 2-4 tenths quicker.
Hamilton will be a man on a mission, I'd be suprised if he wasnt in second 3 laps in.
 
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So a wet setup for McLaren according to Ted Kravitz. It could be really good or really bad for them tomorrow, but I guess they had to take that risk given their pace at previous races.
 
@vasiliflame - Given his current form, I'd be surprised if he lasts that long. As Martin Brundle pointed out, his best result this year has been seventh. If he can't match Alonso this weekend, Ferrari may just decide to let him go, probably after the summer break to give them time to find someone suitable to replace him.

It would be a very un-Ferrari thing to do, but they have changed their management structure and their design team, all to no avail.

This track has been totally butchered beyond recognition just like the last venue in Austria :irked:
Yes, they completely butchered it. They removed a slow chicane and a single-file-only section through a double hairpin. In its place, they put in a pair of fast sweepers and made Brooklands a viable overtaking spot by turning it into a tricky mid-speed sweeper that feeds into a hairpin.

The old Silverstone was horrible. Everything from Copse to Club was fine, but then they just ran out of ideas. The new Silverstone added a sequence of bends that is actually consistent with the rest of the circuit. Abbey and Village in particular fit perfectly with the other corners.
 
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Yes, they completely butchered it. They removed a slow chicane and a single-file-only section through a double hairpin. In its place, they put in a pair of fast sweepers and made Brooklands a viable overtaking spot by turning it into a tricky mid-speed sweeper that feeds into a hairpin.

The old Silverstone was horrible. Everything from Copse to Club was fine, but then they just ran out of ideas. The new Silverstone added a sequence of bends that is actually consistent with the rest of the circuit. Abbey and Village in particular fit perfectly with the other corners.

Thing is I loved the old track on all the games I could feel my way around, I lose myself all the time on the new track, this even happens when I watch the races but I am slowly getting used to it..
 
All the section through Bridge did was thin the field out. You couldn't go off-line without compromising your entry to Brooklands and Luffield, and you couldn't follow the car in front too closely. All a defending driver had to do was put in a quick final sector, and it would become nigh on impossible to pass.
 
Well the drivers seem to love the track.

For me I still can't get used to copse not being the first corner. Watching onboard it feels like half the track is repeated almost.

Anyway, another pole slips through Hamilton's bag. Said it before a few times now but this guy is not learning or using his head. He could be throwing another WDC as well. I've been a fan of his speed for years which today Lewis proved again but that alone is no good. He's disappointed me at this stage of his career. I expressed my hope on here years ago he would improve this area. I still expect Lewis to get back and put some pressure on Rosberg though.
 
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Anyway, another pole slips through Hamilton's bag. Said it before a few times now but this guy is not learning or using his head. He could be throwing another WDC as well.
What was he supposed to learn? Mercedes told him to back off if he didn't think he could go faster, and he made a judgement call. We saw Vettel and Button running two seconds down through the first sector; it wasn't until they got to Stowe that they found that incredible dry line. Neither Hamilton nor Rosberg had any way of knowing that would happen at the time. Based on all of the available information, Hamilton made the best choice available.

Honestly, I think some people take entirely too much enjoyment out of criticising Hamilton for supposedly obvious, silly mistakes.
 
I liked Lewis interview after qualifying, his face said it all. He has usually a never give up attitude, had track position over his teammate and championship rival but decided to pull over for him so he has a better chance of beating his time. He must have been thinking did I really just do that. Anyway hopefully he can win the race and redeem himself.
 
Hamilton was unlucky yes but stupid? No.

Look at the sector times. Vettel was 2.5 seconds down at the end of the Hanger straight. When he got pole for a short moment I thought there was a glitch in the system. I couldn't believe he gained that much in the last few corners and I bet Lewis couldn't either. He would have thought he had at the very least a safe second place when he let Nico through.
 
What was he supposed to learn? Mercedes told him to back off if he didn't think he could go faster, and he made a judgement call. We saw Vettel and Button running two seconds down through the first sector; it wasn't until they got to Stowe that they found that incredible dry line. Neither Hamilton nor Rosberg had any way of knowing that would happen at the time. Based on all of the available information, Hamilton made the best choice available.

Honestly, I think some people take entirely too much enjoyment out of criticising Hamilton for supposedly obvious, silly mistakes.
"Incredible dry line"? It's as if everyone forgot the significant rain that was falling in the last sector on the initial runs. We saw Kvyat and others crawling through Stowe, Club and Vale at a molasses-like pace. Therefore if it had stopped raining there/eased off, there would have been many seconds to gain in the third sector, even if the rest of the lap was a little slower. It was obvious that time would be gained in the last sector, not likely before, so aborting after the first split is a daft decision. Admittedly, the team didn't help Hamilton by puzzlingly asking him to let Rosberg through if he didn't think he could improve (which he would not have known until the end of the lap). Rosberg was faster in the first sector and that, along with the misleading message, would have influenced Hamilton to make the wrong decision and abort his lap. Hamilton isn't stupid, but he was clearly careless and naive.

Perez and Hamilton both made big gaffs in Q3.
 
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It was obvious that time would be gained in the last sector, not likely before, so aborting after the first split is a daft decision.
Like I said, Vettel was two seconds down at the first split. They knew they would have gotten some time back in the last sector, but I doubt anyone would have anticipated there being a good five seconds, given that Vettel was further down at the second split, then improved to be nearly two seconds ahead across the line.

Sorry, but about 95% of the criticism directed at Hamilton seems to stem from his failure to get pole st home. This is the one thing that always sours the British Grand Prix for me - the unreasonable expectations of British fans, and their unjustified criticism when those expectations are not met. The same thing happened to Jenson Button in 2009, when it was obvious to all but the British fans that Brawn had pretty much run out of money.
 
Like I said, Vettel was two seconds down at the first split. They knew they would have gotten some time back in the last sector, but I doubt anyone would have anticipated there being a good five seconds, given that Vettel was further down at the second split, then improved to be nearly two seconds ahead across the line.
Vettel was 1.3 seconds down at the first split and 2.5 or so down at the end of sector two. And that is peanuts compared to what they were losing in the final sector on the first go around some 8-9 minutes earlier. So even if Vettel didn't gain 5 seconds on Hamilton in the last sector, 2.5 seconds being taken back was still well within reason considering previous conditions in that sector and reason enough for Hamilton to not abandon his lap.
Sorry, but about 95% of the criticism directed at Hamilton seems to stem from his failure to get pole st home.
Maybe others, but I'm equally critical of Perez and his stop-for-afternoon-tea out-lap. Both made awful misjudgements.
 
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