2015 Dodge Challenger

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Exactly, most people just want to be able to blow the doors off everyone else from stoplight to stoplight.
 
Yes, but there is always the oddball who wants to take any car he/she owns to a track. I've seen Cherokee SRT8s on the track and pleny of other odd things in there, so while I agree that ost of them will end up in the dragstrip, for those that want to make these better corner carvers, I'm sure the aftermarket will respond accordingly. It always does.
 
psntomaz
This isnt a Challenger "T/A" or ACR so most people wouldnt car if it can lap The Ring or Laguna in record time. most buyers of all 3 cars, regardless of model, will end up on the Drag Strip than Race Track.
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Most people wouldn't even bring these cars to the drag strip, they just buy these cars because they want something more special than your standard Challanger, Mustang or Camaro and most likely just drive them on a daily basis, making the GT500 again seem like a worse idea that the other options from Dodge or GM. And to be honest (not being 100% familiar with the pricing of the C7), but as Azure said, I'd rather have a Corvette over any of these cars, or even better: I'd rather get a used GT-R over any of these cars, because it's a good GT car.
 
This thing is pretty badass but I can't wait to see one get beaten on the highway by a GT500.
 
Cano
Yes, but there is always the oddball who wants to take any car he/she owns to a track. I've seen Cherokee SRT8s on the track and pleny of other odd things in there, so while I agree that ost of them will end up in the dragstrip, for those that want to make these better corner carvers, I'm sure the aftermarket will respond accordingly. It always does.
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Exactly this.
 
20832
Power-to-weight or not, it's still the worst "drivers" car in the list. Chevy or Dodge both could've put 700 or 750hp into their Camaro's and Challenger, make the car go 320kph in a straight line, but that doesn't make the car handle better, but rather light it's tyres up everytime you put your foot harder on the pedel. I rather 500hp and proper chassis than 750hp just to brag on the 1/4 mile.
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I'd expect the GT500 to outhandle the Hellcat. The Shelby is fairly competent in the corners, it just doesn't come close to the magnetic shock controlled ZL1. Dodge has yet to make a Challenger that can turn and there would have to be a lot of work done on the suspension to make 4400lbs change direction.
 
Zenith
I'd expect the GT500 to outhandle the Hellcat. The Shelby is fairly competent in the corners, it just doesn't come close to the magnetic shock controlled ZL1. Dodge has yet to make a Challenger that can turn and there would have to be a lot of work done on the suspension to make 4400lbs change direction.
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I thought they've tweaked the suspension? Remember hearing something about that on FastLaneDaily, I could be wrong though. To be honest, if you're looking for a well-handling car (with the exception of the Z/28), I don't think that Ponycars in general are the best choice for that ;)
 
20832
I thought they've tweaked the suspension? Remember hearing something about that on FastLaneDaily, I could be wrong though. To be honest, if you're looking for a well-handling car (with the exception of the Z/28), I don't think that Ponycars in general are the best choice for that ;)
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No, they're not. Modern Pony Cars handle like turds, which is a shame if you've ever seen an old Z/28 or Boss 302 slide around in Trans-Am racing.

I'd like to see Dodge make a Challenger that can actually turn, not a burnout machine. They've been pandering to posers with this car for too long and the novelty of a beefy ignorant Muscle car is becoming less of a personality and more of a gimmick.
 
Zenith
No, they're not. Modern Pony Cars handle like turds, which is a shame if you've ever seen an old Z/28 or Boss 302 slide around in Trans-Am racing.
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This.
 
There's nothing "pony" in the current pony cars. That denomination implies small size and relatively low weight.
 
The only reason that name carries over is because of the legacy of the past generations.
 
...um.....Pony cars were inexpensive cars, youngsters can drive and at the same time, wouldn't cost a lot to insure, and then fix up (even if its a Slant 6 or Base V8) to take to track and back and later on they would "pony up" to the next level (as in Nova>Chevelle/Barracuda>Roadrunner.. While these new HiPo cars are "Pony car" based, cars like the 302 Boss, GT500, Z28, ZL1, SRT392, Hellcat, are Muscle cars
 
psntomaz
...um.....Pony cars were inexpensive cars, youngsters can drive and at the same time, wouldn't cost a lot to insure, and then fix up (even if its a Slant 6 or Base V8) to take to track and back and later on they would "pony up" to the next level (as in Nova>Chevelle/Barracuda>Roadrunner.. While these new HiPo cars are "Pony car" based, cars like the 302 Boss, GT500, Z28, ZL1, SRT392, Hellcat, are Muscle cars
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Where did you hear that?
 
heard that long time ago by a old Car Magazine, think it was Hot Rod, or Mopar Mag.

and Correction on my part. I ment to put Mustang>torino, Camaro> Chevelle when i was talking about pony up to the next level.
Heres the WiKi Definition:

As a result, the basic two-door, four passenger Pony Car characteristics were set:

  • Stylish and sporty long hood, short deck, and "open mouth" styling
  • Affordable base price (under $2,500 — in 1965 dollar value)
  • "Off-the-shelf" mass production components
  • Wide range of often lucrative options to individualize each car
  • Youth-oriented marketing and advertising
Tellingly, while most pony cars were available with more powerful engines and performance packages—enough to propel some into the muscle car realm—the vast majority were sold with six-cylinder engines or ordinary V8s.[14] For the most part, the high-performance models saw limited sales and were largely limited to drag racing, road racing, or racing homologation purposes.[citation needed]
 
psntomaz
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Yeah, I don't think your "pony-up" definition is correct. Muscle cars are big, pony cars are small and stylish. The cost is not the significant factor. The term "pony" comes from the Mustang which started the market.
 
Cano
Crap, 700+. However heavy this thing might be and all that crap people are throwing around, this thing will be an incredibly fun street car, even in automatic form.
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No more fun than most 500 hp cars though (until you hit 150+ mph, unless the drag eats all the extra power you have). It is heavy. Heavy to the point where 700 hp only really looks impressive by itself where it means nothing. If they're not giving it away for free I can't really see why this car would be remotely attractive.

I can really only think of two reason to buy it:

-The look (I think it looks terrible though)
-You want a fast car that has a certain amount of ungainliness behind the wheel because you enjoy that. I'd be tempted by an 06 Z06 with the cruddy tires and suspension though.

psntomaz
Weight is what helps launch launch.
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Weight doesn't help anything.
 
Organ-Donor
I'd much rather have lets say 600ish hp with a massive weight loss. The thing is an absolute pig and power only gets you so far with all that weight. Impressive numbers non the less.
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With that power and chassis work, I can tell you exactly where it's going to get people who can't handle it...sadly wrapped around trees.
 
I can't say I've ever been the biggest fan of the Challenger, but boy oh boy does this one tickle my fancy. What a beast and a more appropriate name there couldn't be.
 
VXR
I can't say I've ever been the biggest fan of the Challenger, but boy oh boy does this one tickle my fancy. What a beast and a more appropriate name there couldn't be.
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Same here, for quite awhile I wasn't a big fan of the Challenger until they unveiled that one-off SRT10 Challenger. :drool:

That car made me decide to give the standard version a chance and look where the challenger is now, more powerful than a Lamborghini Aventador. :eek:
 
Keef
Guuuuuuhhhhhhhhh it sounds amazing!

So, linelock. Does it lock the steering, thereby keeping the ass from swinging?
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You would need electronic steering to do that without some weird mechanism.

Also the ass will swing without the help of the front wheels if there's any surface irregularity. Sliding, smoking tires will slip all over the place. It's probably for the best to let the driver steer while the do the burnout.
 
Vic Reign93
Same here, for quite awhile I wasn't a big fan of the Challenger until they unveiled that one-off SRT10 Challenger. :drool:

That car made me decide to give the standard version a chance and look where the challenger is now, more powerful than a Lamborghini Aventador. :eek:
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It wasn't fully a one off if you count the Drag Pak version you could buy a couple years ago that came with the V10...though it wasn't road legal so there is that.
 
Zenith
I'd expect the GT500 to outhandle the Hellcat. The Shelby is fairly competent in the corners, it just doesn't come close to the magnetic shock controlled ZL1. Dodge has yet to make a Challenger that can turn and there would have to be a lot of work done on the suspension to make 4400lbs change direction.
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Exactly. Horsepower does not equal performance. Old SRT-8 with 470hp/470tq can only manage a high 12 second quarter mile. Challengers have always been land yachts and it seems like Dodge tried to fix this problem by throwing globs of power at it. 4400+lb nose heavy car + rudimentary suspension and I wouldn't be surprised if it was out-handled by a brick.
 

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