2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Cale]

http://blog.caranddriver.com/5-thin...he-2016-mustang-shelby-gt350s-flat-crank-v-8/

1. The new 5.2L V8 is Ford's most powerful naturally aspirated engine, ever (not quite true) and revs to 8,200rpm
2. It's based on the Coyote 5.0 but shares virtually no parts.
3. It's MUCH lighter than the Coyote 5.0.
4. It should pretty much bolt into a 2015 GT.

In which case you should have just bought the GT350 in the first place.

 

[Slash]

I have a hunch Ford will make the engine available as a crate motor which could give a GT the benefit of the engine without the extra upgrades to keep the cost down if people want something cheaper. Plus it's lighter than the 5.0L, so it should give a better overall handling which the GT isn't a slouch in that aspect as it is.

 

[Cale]

I wouldn't be surprised if the engine touches close to $20K as a crate engine.

 

[Slash]

Maybe initially but I don't think it would last long. Even a loaded Coyote only costs about $8,000 and those sell like hotcakes. This new 5.2L is going to get popular with builders/hot rodders VERY fast.

 

[Dagger311]

Inb4 a classic Mustang gets modernized with the 5.2.

 

[Slash]

Inb4 a classic Mustang gets modernized with the 5.2.

Just like the Coyote, it'll happen.




Fast.

 

[mustafur]

What modders should be doing is upgrading the Camshafts keeping it N/A and see how much power they can get out of it without a Bolt on.

N/A is Love N/A is Life.

 

[YSSMAN]

I have a hunch Ford will make the engine available as a crate motor which could give a GT the benefit of the engine without the extra upgrades to keep the cost down if people want something cheaper. Plus it's lighter than the 5.0L, so it should give a better overall handling which the GT isn't a slouch in that aspect as it is.

Keep in mind that "lighter" still has to deal with a Mustang that is in fact heavier. Granted, its still ~200lbs less than most Camaros, but as we've seen, that platform doesn't need to be put out to pasture, yet. I'd be willing to be that, once the Alpha Camaro shows up for 2016, the Mustang will go on a crash-course diet to keep up, especially if the Camaro will be diving to the 3600lb range like the CTS it will likely be based on.

 

[Slash]

What modders should be doing is upgrading the Camshafts keeping it N/A and see how much power they can get out of it without a Bolt on.

N/A is Love N/A is Life.

Every possible combination for parts to get power out of it you will see.

Keep in mind that "lighter" still has to deal with a Mustang that is in fact heavier. Granted, its still ~200lbs less than most Camaros, but as we've seen, that platform doesn't need to be put out to pasture, yet. I'd be willing to be that, once the Alpha Camaro shows up for 2016, the Mustang will go on a crash-course diet to keep up, especially if the Camaro will be diving to the 3600lb range like the CTS it will likely be based on.

That's pretty much how I'm predicting it. Both cars will get lighter as they have been battling each other for the the last several years to see who can outdo each other; and it does benefit for the most part.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

They haven't shown us the engine, so my hot-v theory could still be correct. It would explain the rather conventional cross-plane sound....

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm underwhelmed by this compared to the other few cars I'm interested in...

I mean the flat plane was an awesome touch to me, trying something new and not just bumping up the 5.0 which I'm sure most of us thought they would. However, the car they tested at the Ring looked far better even under the wraps than this to me and I think that is why I'm disappointed, the cars angles at the front don't match the more smooth curved shape the rear has and for some reason it seems worse on this. I mean it seems most of us think the 350 was that test car at the Ring and they sound similar but maybe we'll get lucky and see a better looking 500 (I doubt it).

 

[GTboyz]

Even though i like both cars, i wanna see the Mustang beat the Camaro this time. If the GT350 could beat the current Z28 and the Alpha Z28 (if there is one planned) then it would be great, since then Chevy will have to make the Camaro outdo the Mustang again. Love these two cars.

 

[Dagger311]

Even though i like both cars, i wanna see the Mustang beat the Camaro this time. If the GT350 could beat the current Z28 and the Alpha Z28 (if there is one planned) then it would be great, since then Chevy will have to make the Camaro outdo the Mustang again. Love these two cars.

The competition is a very good thing for both of them. Each time they one-up each other, the cars get a little bit better.

 

[Slash]

The competition is a very good thing for both of them. Each time they one-up each other, the cars get a little bit better.

They've been going at it with this outcome for the past few years. It's 1970 all over again.

 

[Dagger311]

They've been going at it with this outcome for the past few years. It's 1970 all over again.

Who's winning? I haven't been keeping up. By winning I mean performance and sales wise. I assume the Mustang is winning sales, performance I'm not sure on.

 

[GTboyz]

Performance is the Camaro if i'm not mistaken. The 1LE have beaten the Mustang GT Track Pack but i'm not sure if it was a fair one since the 1 LE is more track hardcore than the GT track pack.

 

[Slash]

Fords had the edge over the Camaro in sales, 2013-2014 sales from July to July were nearly 85,000. Depending on the package on the car, it's either Camaro or Mustang. Fords focusing on a more well balanced car.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Would higher RPM's = Higher compression ratio?

 

[Dagger311]

Would higher RPM's = Higher compression ratio?

Don't think so.

1. The compression ratio of an internal-combustion engine or external combustion engine is a value that represents the ratio of the volume of its combustion chamber from its largest capacity to its smallest capacity. It is a fundamental specification for many common combustion engines.

Pretty sure it has to do with cylinder size or something. Car n00b though, still learning.

 

[jlmcmillan1978]

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They haven't shown us the engine, so my hot-v theory could still be correct. It would explain the rather conventional cross-plane sound....

Interesting. I didn't know that this would make any difference to the sound. Isn't it a bit out there for a Mustang but? On a supercar sure, an interesting and unique feature, but on a production car like a Mustang? I can't even really imagine what that would look like, a bundle of snakes sitting on top disappearing behind the engine and into the firewall perhaps?

 

[ildd]

Pretty sure it has to do with cylinder size or something. .

no.

Would higher RPM's = Higher compression ratio?

no.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

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Interesting. I didn't know that this would make any difference to the sound. Isn't it a bit out there for a Mustang but? On a supercar sure, an interesting and unique feature, but on a production car like a Mustang? I can't even really imagine what that would look like, a bundle of snakes sitting on top disappearing behind the engine and into the firewall perhaps?

Well it would be easier to arrange the primaries of the exhaust manifold to merge cylinders firing at odd intervals, thus enabling the traditional cross-plane sound. The opposite of 180* headers on a 90* V8, so to speak. I'm not saying it's likely, but it would certainly be interesting.

Ford has experience with hot V configurations, the 6.7 powerstroke uses a turbocharger set between the heads. Also, the configuration is becoming fairly common, with MB using it on their latest turbo V8's. Which, I might add, looks impossibly badass.

Hasn't (to my knowledge) been done on a production naturally aspirated V8, but I also disagree that it's reserved for supercars.

 

[Omnis]

Does this Voodoo engine use chains? Belts? Would be awesome to see how high you could get the RPM with gear driven cams.

Imagine OS Giken engine porn on each cylinder bank.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That head costs more than a new (base model) Mustang.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I hope some exhaust system tweaks can produce a sound like this:



That GT40 is likely around the same displacement and power, and it has 180 degree headers. It's a unique sound somewhere in between Ferrari and Ford, and it's the sound I was sort of hoping for with the GT350. Unforunately, Ford seems have to tuned the exhaust for a more conventional sound. We need more sound clips Ford!

 

[Slash]

The probably tweaked it for a conventional sound just because the crossplane sound is somewhat unique to Mustangs and muscle cars and has been that way since ever. Probably just trying to keep people happy.

 

[Keef]

I think this is the first Mustang in history that has the potential to not sound like every other Mustang in history.

 

[Slash]

I'm not ok with that

 

[Grandea GTR]

I'm not ok with that

Why? Because change?

 

[Slash]

Why? Because change?

I hate change

Nah, I suppose it'll be good for the car to do something different for once. I just prefer the traditional crossplane sound, especially the pushrod motors.