2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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Tornado
Oh hey. It's the engine that the Modular should have been ten years ago.
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This, but then we wouldn't have gotten the Coyote. The modular motors while they can be made to go fast, are junk in my opinion.
 
Slash
This, but then we wouldn't have gotten the Coyote. The modular motors while they can be made to go fast, are junk in my opinion.
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The Coyote is a modular. It has modular architecture. It's simply the latest evolution of the modular engine.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
The Coyote is a modular. It has modular architecture. It's simply the latest evolution of the modular engine.
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Yes, it's an evolution of the modular; when Ford could finally actually make the modular good. The rest of them were gigantic, overweight pigs. Especially the originals, which hardly made more power than the 302 it replaced.
 
Slash
Yes, it's an evolution of the modular; when Ford could finally actually make the modular good. The rest of them were gigantic, overweight pigs. Especially the originals, which hardly made more power than the 302 it replaced.
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The DOHC 4.6 always made good power, a full 50hp more than an equivalent year but larger 5.0 windsor. The SOHC 2V was a bit of a dog, but such is progress.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
The DOHC 4.6 always made good power, a full 50hp more than an equivalent year but larger 5.0 windsor. The SOHC 2V was a bit of a dog, but such is progress.
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The DOHC 4.6L didn't have the ability to squeeze out extra power than the 5.0L did for free/cheap either though. As we all know, making an extra 50hp out of a 5.0L is nearly as easy as sneezing on it. 4.6L parts have always been more expensive (probably because it's newer) and never responded as well. It made good power but they just weren't that great of an engine. 50hp more stock sure, but at what cost? A couple hundred pounds, the same if not more than a big block of previous generations. That, and the fact that it's as wide as a train.
 
I don't necessarily mean this specific engine or its specs so much as a continuation of the racy 32v Cobra/Continental Mark VIII idea in the top level Mustangs instead of backpedaling to the wheezy 3 valver for a bunch of years.
 
Slash
The DOHC 4.6L didn't have the ability to squeeze out extra power than the 5.0L did for free/cheap either though. As we all know, making an extra 50hp out of a 5.0L is nearly as easy as sneezing on it. 4.6L parts have always been more expensive (probably because it's newer) and never responded as well. It made good power but they just weren't that great of an engine. 50hp more stock sure, but at what cost? A couple hundred pounds, the same if not more than a big block of previous generations. That, and the fact that it's as wide as a train.
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Making an extra 50hp out of a 5.0 windsor via the aftermarket is easy, as you say. However, that would necessitate a higher lift camshaft, some sort of intake manifold with larger MAF/throttle body, and free-flow exhaust system. The cam would make it much less production friendly (lumpy idle in a production car would never be perceived well) and I have a feeling the old Windsor was having a tougher and tougher time achieving emissions compliance. Not to mention the *vast* improvement in NVH with the modular engine. I've owned and driven quite a few Windsor & Modular cars. (Currently own a 2003 Mach 1, and used to own a 91 Mustang, brother owns a '67 Mustang with a 93 5 liter in it) and the modular engines are far more refined. So a combination of better emissions, better refinement, and simply more power. I still think it was the right move.
 
You can do it with a mild camshaft and a stock LSA so it idles like it's stock. I would think even a worked over top end without even pulling the heads could get you that if you ran a carbureted setup. But yeah I have to agree you do get better emissions and better refinement as a whole. No doubt there.
 
Slash
Fords had the edge over the Camaro in sales, 2013-2014 sales from July to July were nearly 85,000. Depending on the package on the car, it's either Camaro or Mustang. Fords focusing on a more well balanced car.
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Interesting. I was under the impression that the camaro has outsold the mustang every year going back to 2010 or so. New gen had weak sales in the first year and then outsold the mustang every year since.
 
That's what I was expecting; sales had dropped up until late 2012 when it started to turn around.
 
Found a few pictures I haven't seen before. No hot-v :(

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The exhaust isn't doing anything strange. Why does it have a cross plane sound?? Did they use unequal length primaries? How did you do this Ford? And WHY?
 
It doesn't have a cross plane sound.

Also, a hot V makes absolutely no sense in this car. It's not MR or turboed.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
Found a few pictures I haven't seen before. No hot-v :(

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Ah, I was right that the radiator support is carbon. It seems they've attempted to take weight off the front of the car with that carbon piece and the aluminum hood and fender. Also, somebody mentioned the engine is lighter than the 5.0?

Omnis
It doesn't have a cross plane sound.
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It doesn't have a flat-plane sound, that's for sure. It seems Ford has attempted to keep a more traditional Mustang-like exhaust sound.
 
Keef
Ah, I was right that the radiator support is carbon. It seems they've attempted to take weight off the front of the car with that carbon piece and the aluminum hood and fender. Also, somebody mentioned the engine is lighter than the 5.0?
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Ford said it's lighter.
 
Yeah it does have a flat plane sound. It's obvious. You're just used to flat plane ferraris whose exhausts don't span the length of the vehicle.
 




Flat plane small block chevy. Completely different sound

Also, the 458 Italia's engine is closer in size (displacement) to the GT350's engine than it is to the F360's engine and yet sounds far more similar to the latter. Ford has done something with the exhaust to change the sound.
 
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All those cars I think have 4-2-1 headers. Perhaps the Stang has some kind of weird 180 degree header. A 360 degree header? :boggled:
 
Omnis
Does this Voodoo engine use chains? Belts? Would be awesome to see how high you could get the RPM with gear driven cams.

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Imagine OS Giken engine porn on each cylinder bank.
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I would assume chains all the other Modular/Coyote V8s/V10 are chains

Slash
This, but then we wouldn't have gotten the Coyote. The modular motors while they can be made to go fast, are junk in my opinion.
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I like them. stock vs stock even the lowly PI 2v would murder my 5.0 Cobra. I honestly have been thinking of swapping a Modular into mine my local u pull wrecking yard just got a few Navigators with the 5.4 DOHC. late model Modulars get better fuel mileage and make more power VS the Windsors when stock or near stock.
 
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Team THRT Drift
Am I the only one that's thinking:

"Gun it!!!!"
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That entire video I was waiting for it.

Badasp5.0
I would assume chains all the other Modular/Coyote V8s/V10 are chains


I like them. stock vs stock even the lowly PI 2v would murder my 5.0 Cobra. I honestly have been thinking of swapping a Modular into mine my local u pull wrecking yard just got a few Navigators with the 5.4 DOHC. late model Modulars get better fuel mileage and make more power VS the Windsors when stock or near stock.
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Yeah there is no arguing that. But the W has stood the test of time and abuse much more so than the Mod motors have; in all applications.
 
Omnis
All those cars I think have 4-2-1 headers. Perhaps the Stang has some kind of weird 180 degree header. A 360 degree header? :boggled:
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That was my thought as well. Which is why I thought maybe, judging by Ford's experience with Hot-V designs, that maybe they had opted for doing a hot v which would enable much easier implementation of 180* headers. What I suspect they have done is simply made the headers unequal length in some strategic way, so there are no power losses. Not dissimilar to what tuners have done with the FR-S/BR-z twins:

 
Omnis
Because it's turbo.
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Son. Flat plane V8s sound like high-strung four cylinders. That's the way the physics works. That's why Ferrari's V8s sound like "race cars".

We've been saying that Ford has done some exhaust manipulation to get a chunky sound. Whether that be some strangely shaped headers, basically doing a Subaru on purpose, or some flappery-dos in the mufflers, we don't know yet.
 

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