2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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Maybe against the 2010 facelift, it's debatable
Not even close. Actually, I'd argue that the 2005 is a more cohesive design than the 2010. It's plain and boring, yes, but as a whole the design language of that car makes more sense. Remember, at the time it was the sexiest thing on the road until the Camaro came out and we realized retro muscle cars look amazing with actual muscles. The 2010 car added muscles but they still don't look like they're supposed to be there. The greenhouse...and those 3/4 windows...they clearly belong to the design scheme of the previous car.

But anybody who doesn't think the 2015 is a stunner is obviously blind.
 
Not even close. Actually, I'd argue that the 2005 is a more cohesive design than the 2010. It's plain and boring, yes, but as a whole the design language of that car makes more sense. Remember, at the time it was the sexiest thing on the road until the Camaro came out and we realized retro muscle cars look amazing with actual muscles. The 2010 car added muscles but they still don't look like they're supposed to be there. The greenhouse...and those 3/4 windows...they clearly belong to the design scheme of the previous car.

But anybody who doesn't think the 2015 is a stunner is obviously blind.

I actually understand that, and agree that the 2005 is a pretty cohesive design compared to the halfway house that was the 2010 (yeah, them keeping the greenhouse exactly the same sucked big time), but there are just some parts of it I can't accept, from an aesthetic point of view.
 
Which one?

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I just had to comment. I like the 2015. I don't know if I like it as much as a 65 or 67, but I like it more than the 2005, the 1993 and maybe even the 2010. Maybe.

The 2005 which was fantastically retro and thus sold like flapjacks. That car had numerous design flaws, but I think the best way to illustrate them is in side view:

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Of particular note, the front and rear chops are severe, giving the rear end a rather flat and tall expanse of bumper at the back. The front end is riotously square. Not a bad thing... I like the grille and lights in isolation, but the relationship of the the headlight to the front wheelarch has always bothered me... and I'm sure the guys at Ford spent hours massaging the clay at that exact spot to minimize the interference... but it's still there.

The sides are flat. Too little curve to give good definition and shadow.

The swage line leading to the vestigial side vent is a nice touch, but the big flat rear fender looks fat and dumpy. I chose an outdoor shot because artful studio lighting that highlights the fender flares covers up how dull it looks with sharp shadows... but on the road, there's no denying there's something missing there.

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The 2010 facelift was bettter. Fixed the relation of the front clusters to the wheel arch. Blended the wheelarches into the fenders to give the fenders themselves more definition. Pulled the vestigial side vent back into a swash to give more structure to the rear fender, put in hips(!!!), and canted the tail-lights to give more shape to the (still too tall) rear.

They also started using black paint on the rockers to disguise the car's bulk. Obviously not on this car, but on most models, this was the case.

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Here, you still have a lot of rear bumper, and yes, in side view, it's not particularly inspiring (more like a Tiburon), but from the rear, it's much nicer, with the surfaces on multiple planes, this time.

The rear haunch is more noticeably muscular, standing out from the side of the car better.

The swage lines effectively break the side up into three distinct sections, giving a distinct center cutaway portion that makes the car look much sleeker. Nice touch: Upper shoulder line continues after rear arch, further exaggerating the muscular proportion of the hips.

The front light clusters and the front wheelarch blend better. They've given it a sharper nose without losing the upright square element (thus, no, it really doesn't look anything like an Aston) necessary for a "Muscle Car". It's very reminiscent of the 1969 Boss... whose high-mounted sidescoop and integrated rear window are echoed in the styling of the rear fender.


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I can understand if people don't like the 2015... taste is subjective... but inferior to the 2005? Hell no. It's superior to the 05 in most every way. Maybe against the 2010 facelift, it's debatable, but this model represents the clean break needed to take the Mustang's design (and yes, many Mustang-specific design cues are still intact!) into the 21st Century.

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I'm not a massive fan of the '05 but it was around 2005 when I really started getting into Mustangs and American muscle cars. Out of the ones I like it is the worst. I, for some reason, don't like the look of the 2015. Don't know what it is. Maybe it's those taillights

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The 2005 which was fantastically retro and thus sold like flapjacks. That car had numerous design flaws, but I think the best way to illustrate them is in side view:
2005-Ford-Mustang-GT-p-Side-Graffiti-1024x768.jpg



The swage line leading to the vestigial side vent is a nice touch, but the big flat rear fender looks fat and dumpy. I chose an outdoor shot because artful studio lighting that highlights the fender flares covers up how dull it looks with sharp shadows... but on the road, there's no denying there's something missing there.

Design wise, i think the biggest issue the 2005 (and by default the 2010) Mustang had was that the tail end behind the rear wheels was just too long.

Looks so much better with 2 or 3 inches chopped out:


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I'm not a massive fan of the '05 but it was around 2005 when I really started getting into Mustangs and American muscle cars. Out of the ones I like it is the worst. I, for some reason, don't like the look of the 2015. Don't know what it is. Maybe it's those taillights

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I understand. I actually think the 2005 was a brilliant move on Ford's part. Much like the "New" Beetle... only a whole lot better developed and thought out. It's just that certain parts of the design never seemed to gel for me... not to the point of it being terrible... again, I thought it was a brilliant idea at the time... but after a while, it became plain that these things had to change.

Design wise, i think the biggest issue the 2005 (and by default the 2010) Mustang had was that the tail end behind the rear wheels was just too long.

Looks so much better with 2 or 3 inches chopped out:


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That works. Though the car already has precious little boot space, as it is. :lol::lol:
 
The tail of the '05 is short in comparison to the original. The '15 is pretty much a reset to make it look more like the first fastback.
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I like the tailight treatment. Brings back the french fry look.
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The tail of the '05 is short in comparison to the original. The '15 is pretty much a reset to make it look more like the first fastback.
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I like the tailight treatment. Brings back the french fry look.
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I don't see it that way.

The original and the 05 are much closer than what we have now.

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Notice how the roofline ends over the wheel arch on both models. If anything, the front and rear of the newer car was shortened up to even out it's proportions and bring a modern feel back to it (along with other touchups).


Compare this to new 2015 vs the 1970 model and 1969 model.

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Notice how the roofline almost extends to the back to the ducktail spoiler molded into the body. That's
a continuation much like the first generation.

As far as the taillights; the new Mustang closely resembles the 1969 model.

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It does go down to the spoiler but the greenhouse is more '66 fastback. The way the windscreen is upright the cockpit rounded and rear window slope. The '68-69 have flatter tops and gradually slope to the spoiler. No doubts about the hip language transferring to the '15. Its agood looking car. I like it.
 
I can't believe people are actually complaining about the wheels on this thing. They're freaking carbon fiber, people. What the hell.

The carbon fiber 350R wheels are going to be awesome on track, but they would scare me for road use. With the amount of scrapes and bumps and inevitable curb rashes with regular road use, I wonder what Ford has defined for damage repair, and what specialized facilities will be needed to repair them, or if the wheels will even be repairable at all.
 
The picture mentions "most powerful naturally aspirated ford engine ever built"

what bhp does that have to beat then?
 
The picture mentions "most powerful naturally aspirated ford engine ever built"

what bhp does that have to beat then?
The 656 horsepower 427 SOHC, possibly the 750hp Can Am Boss 494 if you count that. As far as I know those are the most powerful they ever built that are N/A anyways.
 
The 656 horsepower 427 SOHC, possibly the 750hp Can Am Boss 494 if you count that. As far as I know those are the most powerful they ever built that are N/A anyways.
Ford never officially rated that 427 at that bhp, so they probably aren't counting that engine.
 
It seems they have indeed paired the "wrong" cylinders in the manifolds, hence the weird sound.

Aftermarket header manufacturers, get busy!

On the one hand, you could get a better crossplane sound, on the other more torque (and less crossplane sound).
 
It seems they have indeed paired the "wrong" cylinders in the manifolds, hence the weird sound.

Aftermarket header manufacturers, get busy!

On the one hand, you could get a better crossplane sound, on the other more torque (and less crossplane sound).
You want them to change the sound?

Why? Why why why why why?

 
Did you actually read the article?
Oh. Well then, if this v8 is indeed more powerful than the 427, it's rather strange how ford are promoting it as "over 500 bhp" as opposed to over 600
 
You want them to change the sound?

Why? Why why why why why?


I don't like the dull buzz (like a modern Corvette), if you ignore the exhaust rasp and silencer colouration.

The base pulsetrain is all wrong for "that V8 sound". It's easily fixed, though, as I said.

Below is an example of what I mean, with stock manifolds. The first half is a 'Vette with an X-pipe, results in that dull hum at higher rpm, especially at full throttle. The second half is with the H-pipe; ignoring the extra rasp, this "separates" the banks out in the sound and you get "more V8" for your money (but less torque, narrower peak yadda yadda):



You can do the same with the GT350, except the parts to change are the equivalent in respect of the different firing order. :sly:
If you add an H-pipe to the GT350 with an otherwise stock setup, you'll get this (well, almost).

It's all good, I suppose, but I still think they missed a trick with the sound.
 
I still find that to be a rather BS claim though.
I agree. And what's more they don't even need to make these sorts of shouty claims to make the gt350 seem good, it's already looking amazing

@Griffith500 I see what you're saying but I quite like the exotic 50/50 sound the gt350 currently has
 
I agree. And what's more they don't even need to make these sorts of shouty claims to make the gt350 seem good, it's already looking amazing

@Griffith500 I see what you're saying but I quite like the exotic 50/50 sound the gt350 currently has
That's cool, it is different. I would expect the standard Coyote 5.0 manifolds to be a popular swap, sound wise, assuming they bolt up.

Aftermarket ones will be a mixed bag at first, but many of those available for the 5.0 will sound great. My pick might have to be something like the "Pypes" longtube plus X-Pipe. :D

In my dreams.
 
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