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Holdenhsvgtsr
You say that they aren't asking for the rules to be changed so how would you propose what Peugeot are asking for without changing the rules that we have?

Rules are here BTW

http://www.fia.com/file/34642/download?token=QUDSEC8u

http://www.fia.com/file/25424/download?token=xpVCfIXP
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They don't seem to be even asking though, maybe they are behind the scenes, but as I said earlier that's not what the article says so the vitriol against Peugeot seemed like an over reaction.

Personally I'm not even that bothered, the more the merrier and all that but I've got no really passion towards Pug, or PSA motorsport activity.
 
MatskiMonk
They don't seem to be even asking though, maybe they are behind the scenes, but as I said earlier that's not what the article says so the vitriol against Peugeot seemed like an over reaction.

Personally I'm not even that bothered, the more the merrier and all that but I've got no really passion towards Pug, or PSA motorsport activity.
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So you big up your side of the arguement saying they aren't asking for rules to be changed then when we ask what you would suggest to implement what they ask you have no case to put forward?

Arguement voided.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
So you big up your side of the arguement saying they aren't asking for rules to be changed then when we ask what you would suggest to implement what they ask you have no case to put forward?

Arguement voided.
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No I don't have a case to put forward because I'm not ASKING for change and as far as I can tell neither are Peugeot. It's not an argument because neither I, or Peugeot are making a case for change. Seems to me you are struggling to comprehend the difference between Peugeot explaining what they look for, and Peugeot making demands.

"Okay TV reporter, Since you asked, this is what we look for..."

"ACO! These are my demands!"

You do understand there is a difference between these statements?
 
Angel
Okay...so Peugeot won't be joining the WEC for a few years. Who the 🤬 really cares? All that would mean is that the other 4 manufacturers would have to fight for 1st or 3rd in Le Mans since all Peugeot can seem to do is finish second. Not a huge deal to me. We aren't missing anything.
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:confused: They did pretty well before. Unless you're talking about other series, of which I don't follow.
 
Downhill Dino
:confused: They did pretty well before. Unless you're talking about other series, of which I don't follow.
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I'm saying in general. And my position reference was directed to the 24H of Le Mans, which they won once, finished 2nd a lot, or DNFd completely.
 
Read this- http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...kdirektor-vasselon-im-interview-10216750.html

In light of this discussion on Peugeot, Toyota have been calling for cost control since 2013 at least. Vasselon has an idea on that cutting costs they could use an engine development token system like in f1, except not as restrictive.

Peugeot aren't saying there needs to be a budget cap. They are basically saying that the 'vag bros' are putting up a precedent that will likely rule out anyone else joining. You cant expect smaller manufacturers to put up $200 million a year just to be running in the same ballpark as Audi and Porsche.

Also in that article, Vasselon says Toyota has goals and will need about 5 seconds per lap over this year! He says hes not sure on the specifics of Porsche's refueling system, but obviously its going to be studied since they lose so much time just in refueling.
 
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Read this- http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...kdirektor-vasselon-im-interview-10216750.html

In light of this discussion on Peugeot, Toyota have been calling for cost control since 2013 at least. Vasselon has an idea on that cutting costs they could use an engine development token system like in f1, except not as restrictive.

Peugeot aren't saying there needs to be a budget cap. They are basically saying that the 'vag bros' are putting up a precedent that will likely rule out anyone else joining. You cant expect smaller manufacturers to put up $200 million a year just to be running in the same ballpark as Audi and Porsche.

Also in that article, Vasselon says Toyota has goals and will need about 5 seconds per lap over this year! He says hes not sure on the specifics of Porsche's refueling system, but obviously its going to be studied since they lose so much time just refueling.
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Yeah I saw that so glad you linked it, but when you stop and think that the Toyota Budget at times has been claimed to be a fourth of the numbers you claim VAG teams run. Is Peugeot wanting to spend even less...if so then they shouldn't even answer questions about such series. To have a cost cap or budget cut that even sees teams go below 50 mil a year then what's the point of WEC. R&D series have always been expensive and will always be expensive, because that's the nature of R&D, the only difference here is you put your manufacture name and technology on the line when you do so.
 
So the 2017 Porsche GTE will be.....a 911. Porsche will be most likely using the flat 6 turbo from the Carrera, and using waivers to move the engine forward in the car to make it mid engined.
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/porsche-planning-new-911-rsr-gte-car-for-2017/
Would waivers actually allow that? :odd:

Also interesting, for 2016 Porsche are considering backing a Pro entry with Proton (drivers and staff mainly) for the season and CORE Autosport may be permitted to bring their cars to Le Mans. Meanwhile Manthey is considering it's options for 2016.
 
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Id have thought Manthey would be fairly secure in WEC, ELMS and the Blancpain series with Porsche factory support, guess Porsche have cut back a little,
 
Despite the scandal exhaust Volkswagen Group boss Matthias Müller confesses to WEC and clarifies that the commitment to motor sports is not compromised
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Volkswagen boss Matthias Müller and Head of Porsche Motorsport Frank-Steffen Walliser
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(Motorsport-Total.com) - By winning the drivers' standings of the World Endurance Championship (WEC) at the season finale in Bahrain rounded Porsche last weekend an almost perfect season in 2015 from. Previously the Zuffenhausen carmaker had won the prestigious 24 Hours of Le Mans and the WEC manufacturers standings.

"In retrospect, we have to say: It was a great season for Porsche," said Matthias Müller, CEO of Volkswagen, opposite 'Motorsport-Total.com'. The 62-year-old was from October 2010 to September 2015. Within the Volkswagen Group Porsche CEO and as such decisive for the return to Le Mans and in the World Endurance Championship In his new role, he is pursuing the program with great passion.

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"If I was able to make a small contribution, I am proud of it," he explains, "but the praise I am happy to pass on the team, which has done an excellent job over two or three years. At the beginning of the season could be this resounding success not necessarily expect. Even better now that it's come to this. "

WEC- and WRC program go further
Not least because of the highly successful balance is the WEC-commitment of the Volkswagen Group in spite of the gas scandal out of the question. While various Group brands have sometimes given specific savings targets, in order to cushion the financial consequences of the affair can, the head of motorsport programs were only asked to seek itself saving potentials - without questioning but the programs as such into question.

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Farewell at the season finale in Bahrain: Olaf Manthey and Matthias Müller
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This applies not only for the WEC, but also for all other programs such as the World Rally Championship: "Motorsport is at the brands of the Volkswagen Group continues to be very important," says Müller and clarifies: "That is also so remain." One must not be afraid that it will change anything - which logically means that there will continue to come to the intercompany competition between Audi and Porsche at Le Mans and in the WEC.

The Audi program in the WEC until the end of 2017, that of Porsche even approved until the end of 2018 by the Volkswagen Board. And because it would result from a cost perspective, no point with Porsche in 2018 to invest in a new WEC regulations and then withdraw after just one year, go Industry experts believe that at least the Porsche commitment is also secured long-term.

Dramatic end of the season in Bahrain
Savings potentials are seen especially on side scenes. So Volkswagen reconsiders the future providing the official vehicles for the WEC, especially safety and medical cars, or the budget for accompanying marketing. But otherwise should except the WEC GT work program of Porsche, which in Bahrain in this form had his last appearance, according to information from Muller no further project fall to suffer cuts.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
... While various Group brands have sometimes given specific savings targets, in order to cushion the financial consequences of the affair can, the head of motorsport programs were only asked to seek itself saving potentials ...

... And because it would result from a cost perspective, no point with Porsche in 2018 to invest in a new WEC regulations and then withdraw after just one year ...

... Savings potentials are seen especially on side scenes. So Volkswagen reconsiders the future providing the official vehicles for the WEC, especially safety and medical cars, or the budget for accompanying marketing ...
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Huh.... sounds familiar. It's almost like they are seeking to keep costs under control, make sure they only invest in regulations that are predictable for a number of years, and make sure that the financial impact on the company is sensible.
 
MatskiMonk
Huh.... sounds familiar. It's almost like they are seeking to keep costs under control, make sure they only invest in regulations that are predictable for a number of years, and make sure that the financial impact on the company is sensible.
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Well that's a bold request, to say the very least... Why would the WEC go through the hassle of setting up an entirely new warn-up plan due to Mr. Palmer wanting to hold one in his track? That's the equivalent of me going to George Clooney's house and ask him to lend it to me, so that I can hold a Spring Break party.

And people claim Peugeot is being bold with their demands to FIA...
 
Furinkazen
That was run by Gulf Racing and re-appeared in WEC after a year out for 2015, correct?
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Sort off it was run Gulf middle eastern amr in 2011 and 2012 before taking completely "inhouse" in 2013 before taking out 2014

As you can see a lot of prodrive staff around



Did say to my mate to buy it but he's not keen on it :lol: he wants a GT3 again.
 
I don't quite believe it was anything Ford happened to come up with. What change of diffuser regulations occurred to allow those is what I wonder about. Not like it's anything new either with Time Attack and Super GT being really out there with their aero.
 
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