2015 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars

[SagarisGTB]

The issues at Silverstone last year are obviously not the principal reason for this move, but surely it was a contributing factor. I imagine the cost cuts and the positive press were the major motives.

I think it's a good move, no need to pay objectified human decorations to do the job a 20$ pole stand or enthusiastic volunteer can accomplish. Sends a better message to young girls at race events and it does away with an obsolete expense. I feel sorry for the girls that enjoyed working in this capacity, but the WEC is a business, not a charity.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's that jimmy carr joke isnt it. It's a post modern misogyny, a joke steeped in irony, so don't you worry your pretty little head. A bunch of men went ahead and made a decision what would most benefit women.

The only thing grid girls show is that to be a model you need to be pretty. Now people like Carmen Jorda or Susie Wolff, now they show that to get racing you have to be pretty and boyfriends in high places dont hurt either. Now that's bad role models right there.

That's about it:tup:. The PC Police are eventually going to take the fun out of everything they possibly can.

 

[Roger the Horse]

I think it's a good move, no need to pay objectified human decorations to do the job a 20$ pole stand or enthusiastic volunteer can accomplish. Sends a better message to young girls at race events and it does away with an obsolete expense. I feel sorry for the girls that enjoyed working in this capacity, but the WEC is a business, not a charity.

Quoted for being better with the words than I am.

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Seriously though. People are upset about this? Does it really make any difference to how much you enjoy the race? Are you that deprived of contact with human females? Have your parents put pornblockers on your computers? I'm baffled.

Personally seeing the camera leering on sexually objectified women when I'm trying to watch a motor race creeps me out. I don't watch sports for titillation.

 

[Dhalism]

Quoted for being better with the words than I am.

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Seriously though. People are upset about this? Does it really make any difference to how much you enjoy the race? Are you that deprived of contact with human females? Have your parents put pornblockers on your computers? I'm baffled.

Personally seeing the camera leering on sexually objectified women when I'm trying to watch a motor race creeps me out. I don't watch sports for titillation.

It's hard to respond to something like this. Posts like your or Sagaris's seem to ignore the very basic fact of being human - we like beautiful things. We like beautiful cars, beautiful architecture, beautiful landscapes, beautiful paintings - of women as well - and that in no way means i want to take sexual advantage of a car. A very essential part of human interaction - which you claim others lack - are compliments. Not even to women but to fellow men as well. We like beauty, we like being beautiful and we like that to be noticed.

And this whole utilitarian approach of 20$ pole holders doesn't work - otherwise you just end up with the racing equivalent of the concrete box cities of China, Soviet Russia or North Korea. Very square, very efficient, but we want some beauty in our lives don't we?

p.s. What next? Ban De Goya for sexually objectifying women?

 

[Dhalism]

Honestly Roger you're just ****ing offensive to women. "My daughter is so weak willed the moment she sees girls holding poles on TV she's gonna set her sights on career as a stripper" And even if she does so ****ing what? Models are bad people now? Strippers? I believe in personal freedom, I believe in allowing people to make choices. Why are you supporting limiting the freedoms of other people under the guise of equality or political correctness?

My jimmies have been rustled.

 

[catamount39]

Honestly Roger you're just ****ing offensive to women. "My daughter is so weak willed the moment she sees girls holding poles on TV she's gonna set her sights on career as a stripper" And even if she does so ****ing what? Models are bad people now? Strippers? I believe in personal freedom, I believe in allowing people to make choices. Why are you supporting limiting the freedoms of other people under the guise of equality or political correctness?

My jimmies have been rustled.

This^ +1111

 

[mustafur]

Quoted for being better with the words than I am.

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Seriously though. People are upset about this? Does it really make any difference to how much you enjoy the race? Are you that deprived of contact with human females? Have your parents put pornblockers on your computers? I'm baffled.

Personally seeing the camera leering on sexually objectified women when I'm trying to watch a motor race creeps me out. I don't watch sports for titillation.

Sorry but this is nonsense to the core, and highly offensive to the entire model industry.

Double standards would apply to the male equlivent going by this logic surely.

 

[Roger the Horse]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Also, sexualised and objectified images of women outside of a sexual context present a worldview that women are little more than err... Sex objects for male pleasure. Note also how objectified images of men tend to reflect male power fantasies while objectified images images of women tend to reflect male sexual fantasies.

This presentation in a male dominated area such as motor racing also leads to the impression of it being an "old boys club" causing wome to shy away.

 

[mustafur]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Also, sexualised and objectified images of women outside of a sexual context present a worldview that women are little more than err... Sex objects for male pleasure. Note also how objectified images of men tend to reflect male power fantasies while objectified images images of women tend to reflect male sexual fantasies.

This presentation in a male dominated area such as motor racing also leads to the impression of it being an "old boys club" causing wome to shy away.

Guess the same thing could be said about men in sports the very thing men watch soo much.

Trying to change things people choose to do is not only stupid its offensive and essentially nannying culture.

 

[Dhalism]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

DEAL WITH IT. Or lets ban beautiful (and rich) people from TV, music, and all public sectors. In fact i think Button is just too damn handsome to race. He's causing me too feel inadequate. Oh and Dampsey. That bastard. Other people - models who need employment say - do not owe it to you to suffer because of your insecurities.

This presentation in a male dominated area such as motor racing also leads to the impression of it being an "old boys club" causing wome to shy away.

And? You need to be a Rosberg or Piquet or be bloody rich or have a backing of a local major chain to make it anywhere. The playing field isnt level, and it has nothing to do with gender.

 

[catamount39]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Also, sexualised and objectified images of women outside of a sexual context present a worldview that women are little more than err... Sex objects for male pleasure. Note also how objectified images of men tend to reflect male power fantasies while objectified images images of women tend to reflect male sexual fantasies.

This presentation in a male dominated area such as motor racing also leads to the impression of it being an "old boys club" causing wome to shy away.

Right so...what planet are you from Roger? Mars? Venus? Please save us the pain and just stop.

 

[Northstar]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Have you ever seen a Calvin Klein underwear ad featuring a guy without a 6-pack? Both sexes have to deal with unfair definitions of what people think is attractive, for whatever reason it doesn't seem to affect males as much self-esteem wise though (I have theories, but this isn't the place).

Also, 50 Shades of Grey made over $500 million at the box office and I'm guessing most of that isn't from guys that were there voluntarily.

 

[mustafur]

Have you ever seen a Calvin Klein underwear ad featuring a guy without a 6-pack? Both sexes have to deal with unfair definitions of what people think is attractive, for whatever reason it doesn't seem to affect males as much self-esteem wise though (I have theories, but this isn't the place).

Also, 50 Shades of Grey made over $500 million at the box office and I'm guessing most of that isn't from guys that were there voluntarily.

Sex sells regardless of gender, we are human after all.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Have you ever seen a Calvin Klein underwear ad featuring a guy without a 6-pack?

No, I haven't. Yes. that is objectification, and yes, that will have a negative effect on the body image of many men. The difference is that objectification of men in much of media is based around male power, whereas the objectification of women is based around the male gaze.

Sex sells regardless of gender, we are human after all.

That is very true. However, I personally dislike having sexual fantasies (no matter where they match in relation to my own) thrown into my face when I'm trying to do something else. This is particularly uncomfortable if I'm watching something with my mother, for instance.

Or lets ban beautiful (and rich) people from TV, music, and all public sectors.

I have no idea where I suggested that.

In fact I think Button is just too damn handsome to race. He's causing me too feel inadequate.

He's actually doing something that you or I most likely couldn't when he's racing however. Most people can hold up a sign, beauty doesn't come into it. Personally I'd advocate having a prize draw where anyone who wants to hold up a sign on the grid can if their name gets pulled from the raffle.

Other people - models who need employment say - do not owe it to you to suffer because of your insecurities.

Where are you deriving that I have insecurities from? I personally can stare at beautiful people all day and not be made to feel worse about myself at all. Well, maybe I'll feel slightly creepy, but that's not the point.

The playing field isn't* level, and it has nothing to do with gender.

Exactly. That's why it shouldn't be presented as a boys own club.

What planet are you from Roger?

Gliese 682 b, obviously.





*typos corrected.

 

[catamount39]

This takes "digging yourself into a hole" to a whole new level...

 

[karl53]

Actually I do think that idea of having a prize draw for anyone to hold the signs is a lot better, WEC seem to like their fan involvement so it'd be a good thing imo.

 

[Northstar]

No, I haven't. Yes. that is objectification, and yes, that will have a negative effect on the body image of many men. The difference is that objectification of men in much of media is based around male power, whereas the objectification of women is based around the male gaze.

The part of your original quote has nothing to do with this so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Note also how objectified images of men tend to reflect male power fantasies while objectified images images of women tend to reflect male sexual fantasies.

Magic Mike (and the countless text-porn books written by women) says hi!

 

[cnd01]

No. More that being constantly presented with images of women with a particular body type defined as beautiful may have a negative effect on the body image of girls who do not have that particular body type leading to them suffering from reduced self esteem as a result.

Because hurt feelings are more important than jobs for women Go equality!!!

Also, sexualised and objectified images of women outside of a sexual context present a worldview that women are little more than err... Sex objects for male pleasure. Note also how objectified images of men tend to reflect male power fantasies while objectified images images of women tend to reflect male sexual fantasies.

Have you ever talked to a grid girl? Every one I've talked to enjoys her job.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Have you ever talked to a grid girl? Every one I've talked to enjoys her job.

I'm sure they do. I'm sure there are plenty of people who for whatever reason (too fat, too old, too male, or any combination of the previous, presumably) might also enjoy getting to stand on the grid of a major motor race holding a sign.

 

[catamount39]

Stop...just....STOP.

 

[RACECAR]

It's a good thing I have no say in this.

So...about the cars.

 

[cnd01]

I'm sure they do. I'm sure there are plenty of people who for whatever reason (too fat, too old, too male, or any combination of the previous, presumably) might also enjoy getting to stand on the grid of a major motor race holding a sign.

I'm sure race car drivers enjoy racing too. I'm sure there are plenty of people who for whatever reason (not enough talent, not enough money, too old, too disabled, or any combination of the previous, presumably) might also enjoy getting to be a race car driver. I guess we have to ban race car drivers now too

 

[Furinkazen]

This grid girl argument is hilarious, great reading and never seen such over the top comments perhaps ever on GTP.

You know they are there voluntarily right? Whilst it may be perceived sexist, it's there choice. In many ways it isn't politically correct, but it's the girls choice to be there.

And on a lighter note if they had hypothermia at Silverstone last year, I struggle to believe that they don't have ERS systems in there clothes, obviously WEC isn't as high tech as we thought.

 

[catamount39]

This grid girl argument is hilarious, great reading and never seen such over the top comments perhaps ever on GTP.

You know they are there voluntarily right? Whilst it may be perceived sexist, it's there choice. In many ways it isn't politically correct, but it's the girls choice to be there.

And on a lighter note if they had hypothermia at Silverstone last year, I struggle to believe that they don't have ERS systems in there clothes, obviously WEC isn't as high tech as we thought.

Sadly some people don't get it.

 

[TDZdave]

Would anyone be oppose to me getting my manboobs out?

 

[fortbo]

Yes

 

[catamount39]

...me getting my manboobs out?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

No guys you are wrong for too long the ACO/some in the FIA has been Jabba the Hutt and those girls are Princess Leia, clearly you guys don't get they need to be saved by these FIA rules of Han Solo and Luke.


Yes this is very much sarcasm

 

[Des2]

I just want to say I believe the whole removing grid girls is to show that the WEC is all about equality for both genders. Not saying women are weak minded, or that it's a male dominated sport, they just want the series to be focused on about the cars/racing - and to show that gender need not be applied to the race weekend, as everyone going is far more interested in the racing than who will appear at the front of certain race cars.

I'm all for equal fairness for both genders. I would be happier to see fans of the sport holding the signs or people, unfortunately, medical illnesses to stand infront of their hero's race car, just like they do at football matches. I'm also surprised that in football you don't see many females dressed in team colours, standing next to the players or at the side lines...they actually got it right, by making the event focused on football. I believe WEC made the right call for Silverstone personally.

I'm not trying to make it worse or say someone is completely wrong, nor am I saying I don't think grid girls should be banned and are completely wrong. I just feel that people from both sides have taken it out of context or something.

 

[IforceV8]

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