2015 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars 

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Its going to happen as the is cars are road cars made to race so they are not going to fit the regulations perfect!

Its a different if you were making a chassis for racing you would make sure you are fully complying to the regulations. But the designers of the GT chassis don't have that in mined and want to make the best road car.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they are not fully complying to the regulations.
 
Its going to happen as the is cars are road cars made to race so they are not going to fit the regulations perfect!

Its a different if you were making a chassis for racing you would make sure you are fully complying to the regulations. But the designers of the GT chassis don't have that in mined and want to make the best road car.

So I wouldn't be surprised if they are not fully complying to the regulations.
No no no no no no. They aren't road cars with a rollcage and racing parts.
 
No no no no no no. They aren't road cars with a rollcage and racing parts.
From what I know, companies like Audi take ther GT3 chassis straight from the road car production line and change it a bit to fit role cage and the air lift thing.

If you have any thing to back up what you said I will be happy to listen and learn!
 
Youve got the internet, too.
I do but you're the one that said they all run waivers so I'm
Genuinely interested in which waivers they are running (the viper for example has over 40 but I only knew of 28 of them).

So I have a genuine interest in the list you have that shows that all the cars run waivers.
 
I do but you're the one that said they all run waivers so I'm
Genuinely interested in which waivers they are running (the viper for example has over 40 but I only knew of 28 of them).

So I have a genuine interest in the list you have that shows that all the cars run waivers.

I'm interested to know why that car has 40 waivers, what waivers do you know of? Only the major or weird ones required ;)
 
I do but you're the one that said they all run waivers so I'm
Genuinely interested in which waivers they are running (the viper for example has over 40 but I only knew of 28 of them).

So I have a genuine interest in the list you have that shows that all the cars run waivers.
When did I say I have a list?
Well
I couldn't tell you all 40 as I've said ;) but apparently @trustjab has the full list which I'm sure he will be along with shortly. :)
Stop making assumptions. You claim the Viper has "over 40 waivers", but youre asking me for a list? I dont do work for your amusement, and I'm definitely not going to scour pdf files from IMSA or the ACO/FIA after your non existent quoting.

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Confirmed by Prodrive as being absolutely 100% WRONG.

See below reply from Prodrive.


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Good for you, you disproved 1 thing (while ironically, refusing not to go look for those "40 waivers" you claim exist for the Viper).


Point still stands: GTs have never been entirely true to the road cars so all this ruckus is pointless.
 
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As long as it's a production based engine from the same manufacturer...why not eh? :D

Somebody convince Ferrari to put a V12 in the 488 GTB GT3. :p
 
When did I say I have a list?

Stop making assumptions. You claim the Viper has "over 40 waivers", but youre asking me for a list? I dont do work for your amusement, and I'm definitely not going to scour pdf files from IMSA or the ACO/FIA after your non existent quoting.

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Interesting posting something that you can't back up nothing new there then.

Good for you, you disproved 1 thing (while ironically, refusing not to go look for for those "40 waivers" you claim exist for the Viper).
Why post something that's false then :)
 
Speaking of "production based", that's the biggest lie I've ever seen applied to P2's engines. I would love to know what car is powered by the Judd HK V8 (AKA "BMW" or "AIM" or whatever the hell they are branding it as) or a Nismo V8.


Why post something that's false then :)

Hello Pot, I'm Kettle.

Funny, I could ask you the same regarding the waivers. .
 
Hello Pot, I'm Kettle.

Funny, I could ask you the same regarding the waivers. .

The question on waivers should be directed to @trustjab as he's the one claiming that all the cars run waivers so I asked him to provide the list of waivers all the cars run(as as far as the last fia/aco document I seen they don't)

Once he has provided that then I'm sure the discussing will then go forward with why certain cars have certain waivers. :)

Although if he can't provide that list then there shouldn't be a problem with him saying I don't know and then we can move on to discuss other things :)

Also why post the DBR9 runs a 550 chassis if you knew it didn't?
 
The question on waivers should be directed to @trustjab as he's the one claiming that all the cars run waivers so I asked him to provide the list of waivers all the cars run(as as far as the last fia/aco document I seen they don't)

Once he has provided that then I'm sure the discussing will then go forward with why certain cars have certain waivers. :)

Although if he can't provide that list then there shouldn't be a problem with him saying I don't know and then we can move on to discuss other things :)

Yet its you claiming the Viper had 40 waivers:

I do but you're the one that said they all run waivers so I'm
Genuinely interested in which waivers they are running (the viper for example has over 40 but I only knew of 28 of them).

Again Pot, hello.

Also why post the DBR9 runs a 550 chassis if you knew it didn't?

What makes you think I knew it didn't? . Better yet, why should any of us believe you when you have yet to prove the Viper has that many waivers? You say this and post no proof yet you want @trustjab to pull out this "List" (that you shoved in his mouth) after he simply said every car has waivers.

As the videos say, tube framed roll cage onto a regular chassis

Ironically, was this not what people hated about Grand-Am's GT class :lol:

Funny how that works.
 
Ironically, was this not what people hated about Grand-Am's GT class :lol:

Funny how that works.
I've been saying the same thing for quite some time now 👍 :lol:

I guess I need a list of waivers now too :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I have a feeling on thus thread the only posts I'm going to end up seeing is just @Tired Tyres @LMSCorvetteGT2 and @R1600Turbo since they actually seem to know something about racing rather than people posting false info pretending they do :lol:
I think you are just genuinely struggling to discern people who say things and genuinely didn't know from all out lies.

As @RACECAR says, end of the day they are not the most road relevant cars anyhow, and there's probably waivers on every single car as it's almost impossible to create a car that fits perfectly into any classification Unless it's a purpose built spec machine.

Example, a Ferrari 458 is mid engined, an Aston is front engined. That's a whole different design and I doubt each of them conforms to all the rules without waivers.

Indeed, you should be able to tell me if I am right or wrong.
 
If I recall hearing it properly, back in ALMS days, the Ferrari 458 is the GTE rules. They were set to that specific car. Everything different from that base spec is waivered.
 
If I recall hearing it properly, back in ALMS days, the Ferrari is the GTE rules. They were set to that specific car. Everything different from that base spec is waivered.
GTE rules I thought were identical to GT2 though (just category renaming)?
 
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