2015 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars 

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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/08/12/gt500s-rejected-for-invitational-wec-entry-but.html

Couldnt risk having a bunch of "GT" cars out pacing prototypes (LMP2) I imagine.
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Which sucks...they should be let in, I mean they'd be competing in their own class anyways. Who cares if they out race the LMP2's...would Ligier, Oreca, Alpine and Strakka really care? First the FIA/ACO treats LMP2 like trash and cuts the constructors in like half and makes the WEC entries run spec engines (though the current situation is like that anyway), and now they want to be all nice and not have cars that are prototypes anyway compete in a few invitationals?!

FIA/ACO stop just.......STOP.
 
catamount39
Which sucks...they should be let in, I mean they'd be competing in their own class anyways. Who cares if they out race the LMP2's...would Ligier, Oreca, Alpine and Strakka really care? First the FIA/ACO treats LMP2 like trash and cuts the constructors in like half and makes the WEC entries run spec engines (though the current situation is like that anyway), and now they want to be all nice and not have cars that are prototypes anyway compete in a few invitationals?!

FIA/ACO stop just.......STOP.
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No no no. This isn't an open series where people can bring anything they want.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
So which rules (LMP1,LMP2,GTE) would the car have conformed to?
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I rarely do :lol: but I agree with you. This isn't VLN where anything can race and get classified. Super GT cars are not GT cars anyway and becoming abominations.

Anyone who says LMP cars are slow needs reminding of Le Mans this year. 3:16 / 3:17 laps.

catamount39
Hey invitationals at Fuji would be awesome.

Probably be more like LMP2...actually...maybe LMP1-L. They're bloody fast.
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They aren't 820kg (P1-L min weight IIRC) for one.
 
Furinkazen
Super GT cars are not GT cars anyway and becoming abominations.
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What makes them abominations? Why are you so horribly against one of the best rule changes they could've ever introduced? It opened GT300 up to Blancpain BoP and made an actual gap for the MCs. Sometimes I think you just make bold statements about things you don't fully understand.

And although they don't meet requirements, Bandoh is still pushing for it. It's not a formal agreement, it's an open invitation for any P1 team to beat an unrestricted GT500.
 
hsv
What makes them abominations? Why are you so horribly against one of the best rule changes they could've ever introduced? It opened GT300 up to Blancpain BoP and made an actual gap for the MCs. Sometimes I think you just make bold statements about things you don't fully understand.
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Enter Mr Super GT fanboy, who decides a point about Blancpain cars is relevant despite them being in Super GT under the GT300 class which until your post was not even mentioned (and the story we are talking about is exclusively about GT500's.

hsv
And although they don't meet requirements, Bandoh is still pushing for it. It's not a formal agreement, it's an open invitation for any P1 team to beat an unrestricted GT500.
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Quite honestly the LMP1 cars are restricted a bit as they are, turned up to full HP they would obliterate a SGT.

And like how everyone ignores the idea in the linked article "shove them in the Asian Le Mans Series" - that would actually boost the series profile.
 
Furinkazen
Enter Mr Super GT fanboy, who decides a point about Blancpain cars is relevant despite them being in Super GT under the GT300 class which until your post was not even mentioned
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Because you swing between being perky about GT500 and then calling them out as "abominations". Your constant series bashing is as irrelevant to the discussion as anything else. I was asking you to actually back up your opinions, and offering a point as to why you're way off base. Do keep up.
Furinkazen
(and the story we are talking about is exclusively about GT500's.
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And my post wasn't about GT500? :odd:
 
hsv
And my post wasn't about GT500? :odd:
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Sigh...

hsv
Why are you so horribly against one of the best rule changes they could've ever introduced? It opened GT300 up to Blancpain BoP and made an actual gap for the MCs.
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Nurburging week and half away by the way folks. About damn time.
 
You're misreading my post completely. I'm saying why the current JAFGT500 regulations were a good move.
 
Couple of points;

- GT500 (Class One) = GP2 with a roof. They are not GT cars and have more in common with DP.

- There is zero data on what happens when an open top P2 and a GT500 collide.
 
AJ
Couple of points;

- GT500 (Class One) = GP2 with a roof. They are not GT cars and have more in common with DP.
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No, because at least the GT500 C1 concept uses cars that actually have some technology to them, not primitive slabs of wannabe prototypes. And GP2? Sorry, so what are they a feeder series to?

AJ
Couple of points;- There is zero data on what happens when an open top P2 and a GT500 collide.
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I predict a crash, kinda like any other form of incident.
 
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AJ
- There is zero data on what happens when an open top P2 and a GT500 collide.
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Wouldn't imagine it would be much different to a P1/P2 collision?
AJ
(Class One)
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N'yet. 2017.
AJ
GP2 with a roof. They are not GT cars and have more in common with DP.
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Seriously, the DP guys would dream of carbon tubbed hybrid cars.

About AsLMS... they'd need to run pretty heavy restrictors to hold them back to P2. 3 cars in one class wouldn't really add much to the race. Available GT300 teams are a great addition, something they should definitely try and keep up.
 
Furinkazen
No, because at least the GT500 C1 concept uses cars that actually have some technology to them, not primitive slabs of wannabe prototypes.
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...have more in common with DP...in terms of philosophy, common chassis with silhouette bodywork.

Furinkazen
And GP2? Sorry, so what are they a feeder series to?
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In technical terms, not sporting or promotional.

Furinkazen
I predict a crash, kinda like any other form of incident.
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Again...they have not been design to race with each other, nor have they been crash tested.
 
AJ
...have more in common with DP...in terms of philosophy, common chassis with silhouette bodywork.
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So just like Indycar, DTM, and in many ways BTCC?


AJ
In technical terms, not sporting or promotional.
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How?



AJ
Again...they have not been design to race with each other, nor have they been crash tested.
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Pretty sure FIA crash tests don't involve car vs car collisions. Then again I could be wrong.
 
AJ
Again...they have not been design to race with each other, nor have they been crash tested.
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I fail to see how colliding with another kind of closed-roof prototype would vary massively to what they can already experience? :confused:
 
hsv
I fail to see how colliding with another kind of closed-roof prototype would vary massively to what they can already experience? :confused:
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So do I, but I'm not a motorsport engineer, nor the FIAs/ACO's insurance provider.
 
AJ
...to cut costs, and create more opportunities to activate their existing motorsport programs in new territories.
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You just said DTM cars were not GT cars, but Super GT cars are apparently... oh well.. guess this getting a little off topic now.
 
Furinkazen
You just said DTM cars were not GT cars, but Super GT cars are apparently... oh well.. guess this getting a little off topic now.
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Nope.

AJ
Couple of points;

- GT500 (Class One) = GP2 with a roof. They are not GT cars and have more in common with DP.

- There is zero data on what happens when an open top P2 and a GT500 collide.
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AJ
https://www.circuitcat.com/documentos/carreras/2013GP2SeriesTECHNICALREGULATIONS11032013.pdf

http://www.jaf.or.jp/msports/rules/image/2015_JAF-GT500_en_20140912.pdf
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  • 4 litre NA V8 spec-chassis single seater
  • 2 litre turbo I4 spec-tub open manufacturer GT prototype
Not really seeing it. STCC is probably just as close based off that.
MatskiMonk
I'd like to see a GT500 run a 24 hour race... that would be interesting.
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Old JAFGT500s could (and did). The current ones probably would hold up well, the Hondas might suffer some hybrid reliability troubles though.
 
AJ
Not a single car would make the finish and the paddock would be overflowing with tyres. ;)
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Based off what? :lol:

They can run 6 hours full pelt with absolutely no issue. They're not flimsy, they're solid and reliable cars - if a P1 or P2 can do it, a GT500 can.
 
hsv
Based off what? :lol:

They can run 6 hours full pelt with absolutely no issue. They're not flimsy, they're solid and reliable cars - if a P1 or P2 can do it, a GT500 can.
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Same reason that an F1 car wouldn't, and Usain Bolt will never win a marathon.
 
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