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New suspension systems mean all the data the teams have is gone and they have to start new on setups. The top teams won't agree to that without more testing being available, thus more cost with no benefit.

KERS is something that would benefit everyone, even if it's just a system that increases fuel efficiency, which is what they need to be pushing for.
 
Would KERS even have much of an impact? My understanding of it is that is stores energy while braking which isn't done much outside of short tracks and road courses or entering pit road.
 
Welp, holy crap.

http://m.wsoctv.com/gallery/news/sinkhole-forms-at-charlotte-motor-speedway/gMyr/

A sinkhole was formed in CMS


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Didn't turns 3&4 collapse years ago because of a similar issue?
 
Didn't realize he was taking the number with him, that's interesting.

Weird to see the Sprint logos considering those will no longer be needed soon.
 
RACECAR
Thought it was 2015.
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There was some talk of them leaving early but nothing came of it.

Also, Rockingham may host racing next year.

Super Cup Stock Car Series expected to race at Rockingham: The Super Cup Stock Car Series is reportedly going to close its 2016 schedule with a race at Rockingham Speedway, the former NASCAR track that's been idle for almost three years. SCSCS has operated for eight seasons, primarily in the northeast but extending as far west as Columbus, Ohio. Its 2016 schedule currently lists eight dates, but half of those are shown as "To Be Announced." The track last hosted racing in April 2013 with a NASCAR Camping World Truck Series event. According to the Richmond County Daily Journal, Farmers and Merchants Bank began foreclose proceedings against owners Andy Hillenburg and Bill Silas, accusing them of defaulting on a $4.2 million loan. The lien has since been assigned to BK Rock Holdings of Stuart, Florida.(Fayetteville Observer)(12-15-2015)

It really is a shame what has happened to that track.
 
Northstar
Would KERS even have much of an impact? My understanding of it is that is stores energy while braking which isn't done much outside of short tracks and road courses or entering pit road.
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With lower downforce, they're going to need brakes more often, or if they wanted to get innovative, they could develop an ERS system that was active when <__% of the throttle was applied.

To add to my comments about the suspensions, If they were to update to an IRS system, auto manufacturers would have nothing to gain from it since they've been using them for decades.
 
GTPorsche
With lower downforce, they're going to need brakes more often, or if they wanted to get innovative, they could develop an ERS system that was active when <__% of the throttle was applied.
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That would probably what they would have to do since even with less downforce they won't be braking anywhere near as much as F1 and LMP1 cars do.

Anyways, talking about this seems pointless as NASCAR isn't exactly known for adopting modern technology, let alone developing future tech.:lol:

To add to my comments about the suspensions, If they were to update to an IRS system, auto manufacturers would have nothing to gain from it since they've been using them for decades.
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Does IRS even have any real advantage on ovals?
 
Northstar
Does IRS even have any real advantage on ovals?
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Nope. It's been explained a few years ago by someone in the sport, but I can't seem to find anything on it now. The way they set the cars up is impossible with IRS, so it would be detrimental to their efforts. The current truck arm and live axle is going to give them the best setup for their needs on the ovals and it would be a waste to use IRS on road courses since they only do that twice a year.
 
GTPorsche
New suspension systems mean all the data the teams have is gone and they have to start new on setups. The top teams won't agree to that without more testing being available, thus more cost with no benefit..
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Wasn't that the case when they changed to the COT? Shouldn't be different here and besides, Newer suspension (along with getting rid of the live axle) would go a long way in modernizing NASCAR.

GTPorsche
KERS is something that would benefit everyone, even if it's just a system that increases fuel efficiency, which is what they need to be pushing for.
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Its kinda useless though due to what the cars race on most of the time
 
No, with the COT, they still had a base setup to start with. They'd be starting from scratch with IRS because they wouldn't have the adjustments they have currently.
 
Maybe they leave the new low downforce car alone for five years and not bankrupt teams just on mandatory cost alone.
Not only that but racing typically gets better in NASCAR the longer you stay with a certain package. Just look at the old Gen 4
 
Ganon83
Maybe they leave the new low downforce car alone for five years and not bankrupt teams just on mandatory cost alone.
Not only that but racing typically gets better in NASCAR the longer you stay with a certain package. Just look at the old Gen 4
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You think? I see it the other way. The more it stays the same the more the mega-$-teams tend to dominate. When they shake it up with the rules everyone starts with a clean slate. Gives the little guys a chance as it evens things up until the mega-$ can tilt the scale back in their favor.
 
MustangManiac
You think? I see it the other way. The more it stays the same the more the mega-$-teams tend to dominate. When they shake it up with the rules everyone starts with a clean slate. Gives the little guys a chance as it evens things up until the mega-$ can tilt the scale back in their favor.
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That's a good idea, but the reality is that the changes are very expensive to make and even if they run better for a few weeks over some big teams, in the long run you've just added millions of dollars to a shoestring budget making it harder to actually get ahead. Just look at Finch. Combination of new cars and Kurt depleting his fleet the year before forced him to sell and get out.
 
Ganon83
That's a good idea, but the reality is that the changes are very expensive to make and even if they run better for a few weeks over some big teams, in the long run you've just added millions of dollars to a shoestring budget making it harder to actually get ahead. Just look at Finch. Combination of new cars and Kurt depleting his fleet the year before forced him to sell and get out.
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True, but some of these minor suspension/chassis changes couldn't be that expensive, could they? Mostly labor and build costs which you are going to have one way or another. Of course test and data would be expensive and the big teams could afford more. Maybe they should limit wind tunnel-post-DAQ time. Could help even things up and bring overall costs down also. I wouldn't think some minor engine changes would be that bad either, like when going from carbs to electronics. Have you priced a carb anytime recently? I paid $850 for a rebuilt little 2bbl when reworking an old pick-up a few years back! I always wondered why a group of small teams didn't band together under a common name and increase their resources to counter the advantage the big teams have. I mean, when you have Hendricks + Hendricks Lite (SHR) you are going up against a 7 car team! How's a single car team supposed to compete? Of course, the 78 team gave it a heck of a try this year didn't they 👍
 
ukfan758
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/16/tax-deal-doles-out-year-end-goodies-nascar-tracks-/


NASCAR tracks are getting tax breaks under this new trillion dollar deal.

You've got to love American politics. :rolleyes:
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Help the rich, 🤬 the rest.

MustangManiac
True, but some of these minor suspension/chassis changes couldn't be that expensive, could they? Mostly labor and build costs which you are going to have one way or another. Of course test and data would be expensive and the big teams could afford more. Maybe they should limit wind tunnel-post-DAQ time. Could help even things up and bring overall costs down also. I wouldn't think some minor engine changes would be that bad either, like when going from carbs to electronics. Have you priced a carb anytime recently? I paid $850 for a rebuilt little 2bbl when reworking an old pick-up a few years back! I always wondered why a group of small teams didn't band together under a common name and increase their resources to counter the advantage the big teams have. I mean, when you have Hendricks + Hendricks Lite (SHR) you are going up against a 7 car team! How's a single car team supposed to compete? Of course, the 78 team gave it a heck of a try this year didn't they 👍
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It's not just swapping in a new suspension. It's having to modify every chassis to accept the new suspension, or even just having to build a new set of chassis completely.
 

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