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That's not that dark at all.. it's twilight... and that track is brightly lit, whereas Singapore is raced at 1am.
 
It was that Cham car race posted above, and that does get rather dark at the end, and even Sookbastien Bourdais didn't say anything bad about it,
 
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And people wonder why the series is not highly-rated under the FIA's new superlicence regulations. The cars might be more powerful than the likes of European Formula 3, but there is considerably less actual racing.
 
Sadly I think the series is imploding financially like champ car did, and I'd put that down to things like this happening, they refused to come back to Surfers Paradise as Chicago had paid so much to have the final race, and Surfers was one of the few races that made money for champ car,
 
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And people wonder why the series is not highly-rated under the FIA's new superlicence regulations. The cars might be more powerful than the likes of European Formula 3, but there is considerably less actual racing.
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Because less power allows more side by side action, Formula 3 cars are pushing half the levels of power and the driveability allows massive battles nothing like an Indycar which pushes over double the power and races on tracks half as wide.

The Main reason its lower on the Superlicense regulations is because it hasn't got FIA in the name (the not to even exist yet Formula 2 series is proof).

TDZdave
Sadly I think the series is imploding financially like champ car did, and I'd put that down to things like this happening, they refused to come back to Surfers Paradise as Chicago had paid so much to have the final race, and Surfers was one of the few races that made money for champ car,
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Financially it has been in the same Boat since 2009 with no real improvement, however this Brazil round Cancelation is because of the Government pulling out due to the Financial state Brazil is currently in, Hosting the World Cup cost them dearly.
 
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Because less power allows more side by side action, Formula 3 cars are pushing half the levels of power and the driveability allows massive battles nothing like an Indycar which pushes over double the power and races on tracks half as wide.
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And races half as often on a range of circuits that are rarely relevant to aspiring Formula 1 drivers.

Under the old framework, placing in the Indycar series gave an automatic qualification for a superlicence, the same as GP2 and GP3. Do you think it's a coincidence that the FIA downgraded the value of the series under the new framework once the series started to downsize?
 
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And races half as often on a range of circuits that are rarely relevant to aspiring Formula 1 drivers.

Under the old framework, placing in the Indycar series gave an automatic qualification for a superlicence, the same as GP2 and GP3. Do you think it's a coincidence that the FIA downgraded the value of the series under the new framework once the series started to downsize?
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What do you mean Downsize? It has been the same Level since the merger basically.

If you want low car counts you only have to look at the series that the Super license is for.
 
mustafur
What do you mean Downsize? It has been the same Level since the merger basically.

If you want low car counts you only have to look at the series that the Super license is for.
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I haven't watched more then 30 laps of F1 in the last 3 years, its boring now, and it only takes 2 cars to have a fantastic race,
 
FIA wants to keep aspiring F1 talent in Europe as well as their sponsorship. Look at how oversaturated the driver market is over there. Teams and drivers are jumping stateside to the next best thing. Bernie obviously doesn't like that, and the FIA wants to keep F1 as the premier cash cow. Remove the qualms of superlicense and you make F1 hopefuls rethink. However, if you're on a budget to begin with, you'll most likely head to IndyCar anyways because it's cheaper.
 
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What do you mean Downsize? It has been the same Level since the merger basically.
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If your only condition is grid size. How many races does the season have? European Formula 3 has over thirty. IndyCar might have more powerful cars, but much less racing.

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FIA wants to keep aspiring F1 talent in Europe as well as their sponsorship. Look at how oversaturated the driver market is over there. Teams and drivers are jumping stateside to the next best thing. Bernie obviously doesn't like that, and the FIA wants to keep F1 as the premier cash cow. Remove the qualms of superlicense and you make F1 hopefuls rethink. However, if you're on a budget to begin with, you'll most likely head to IndyCar anyways because it's cheaper.
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It's a nice theory. There's just one enormous hole in it - it assumes that IndyCar is a viable rival to Formula 1. It isn't. The FIA has no ability to influence the management or running of the series. They're not afraid that IndyCar is going to poach talent away, because there is nothing to be afraid of. The series is unstable as it cannot sustain growth; the races in Brazil and Baltimore are a testament to that. It has failed to attract the range of engine manufacturers that it was aiming for with the introduction of the ICONIC project, the planned aerodynamic kits are late, and the series has been wracked by infighting among management. So what do the FIA have to fear? The likes of Max Chilton and Jolyon Palmer defecting?

If IndyCar winds up as a dead end, it won't be because the FIA thought little of it. It will be because the series was mismanaged to the point of collapse.
 
But open wheel racing grows and shrinks in popularity all the time in the states, as little as 20 years ago winning the Indy 500 meant something internationally, now it seems its barely recognizable in indycar itself,

And with todays financial climate, I cant help but hear the ripple effect that not having this race is going to echo right through to the sponsors for next year,
 
prisonermonkeys
If your only condition is grid size. How many races does the season have? European Formula 3 has over thirty. IndyCar might have more powerful cars, but much less racing.
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It has 11 rounds with 3 races in 1 weekend, It's 3 races would equal the length of the 1 Indy car race.

Indy car had 15 Rounds, 4 more entire rounds more then european Formula 3.

Indycar also has:

-Paid drivers

-Bigger budgets

-Cars that come with sponsorship on them not just ones with which the driver must bring

-A Globally recognised race that can still Rival a NASCAR race in America on Viewership and sells out the entire Indianapolis Speedway.

European Formula 3 does not compare to Indycar because its built to be a feeder series, Indycar isn't.



It's a nice theory. There's just one enormous hole in it - it assumes that IndyCar is a viable rival to Formula 1. It isn't. The FIA has no ability to influence the management or running of the series. They're not afraid that IndyCar is going to poach talent away, because there is nothing to be afraid of. The series is unstable as it cannot sustain growth; the races in Brazil and Baltimore are a testament to that. It has failed to attract the range of engine manufacturers that it was aiming for with the introduction of the ICONIC project, the planned aerodynamic kits are late, and the series has been wracked by infighting among management. So what do the FIA have to fear? The likes of Max Chilton and Jolyon Palmer defecting?

If IndyCar winds up as a dead end, it won't be because the FIA thought little of it. It will be because the series was mismanaged to the point of collapse.
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Indycar hasn't been a Rival For F1 since the mid 90s but that doesn't mean it can't be a series in it's own right.

Also Max Chilton is going to Indy Lights(Indys feeder series) racing for Carlins new American Project, hardly what i would call getting a full-time competitive seat in Indycar.

Yes the Financial situation in Indycar isn't sorted but it's far from what your suggesting, fact it's the only other Open wheel series apart from F1 that has Paid drivers. Tony George has been the reason for the whole mess and I doubt it will get back to what it was, but there is nothing to suggest the series will pack up and fold just yet, if that was the case why would they dare to even introduce something as complex as Aero kits?
 
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If someone were to validly believe IndyCar was a capable rival of F1, they must have watched maybe part of one race in a glance. It is impossible. As soon as the split happened, it eliminated itself, and it got to the point that even after the merger, it didn't mean much. IndyCar have two noteworthy races, Indy 500 and Long Beach. My point wasn't that Indy is a competitor to F1, it certainly won't be for quite a while, but it's the best America has to offer, which is where it's appeal lies. If Indy could just get rid of Barnhart and Miles, and put someone with common sense in charge, it might rebound, but as everyone has clearly stated, it hasn't got that and everyone else does.
 
mustafur
Also Max Chilton is going to Indy Lights(Indys feeder series) racing for Carlins new American Project, hardly what i would call getting a full-time competitive seat in Indycar.
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F1 reduced to a feeder series for Indycar!

With luck and skill, the top flight Indycar driver might one day aspire to NASCAR - the most successful and professionally operated series planet Earth has ever seen.
 
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BRRT_Angel
If someone were to validly believe IndyCar was a capable rival of F1, they must have watched maybe part of one race in a glance. It is impossible. As soon as the split happened, it eliminated itself, and it got to the point that even after the merger, it didn't mean much. IndyCar have two noteworthy races, Indy 500 and Long Beach. My point wasn't that Indy is a competitor to F1, it certainly won't be for quite a while, but it's the best America has to offer, which is where it's appeal lies. If Indy could just get rid of Barnhart and Miles, and put someone with common sense in charge, it might rebound, but as everyone has clearly stated, it hasn't got that and everyone else does.
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Realisticly the only way Indycar can recover to past glorys is if the Hulmans sell Indy to someone with an ounce of logic about how to run a racing series. Then banish Tony George and his entire family from setting foot at a Indy race again.
 
mustafur
Realisticly the only way Indycar can recover to past glorys is if the Hulmans sell Indy to someone with an ounce of logic about how to run a racing series. Then banish Tony George and his entire family from setting foot at a Indy race again.
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Which will happen only in the sweetest dreams.
 
Dotini
F1 reduced to a feeder series for Indycar!

With luck and skill, the top flight Indycar driver might one aspire to NASCAR - the most successful and professionally operated series planet Earth has ever seen.
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Please tell me this is sarcasm, because if it isn't, I want what you're taking.
 
BRRT_Angel
Please tell me this is sarcasm, because if it isn't, I want what you're taking.
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Like any good joke, there is a small kernel of truth in it.
 
Dotini
Like any good joke, there is a small kernel of truth in it.
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I do accept that NASCAR is probably the most successful series at the moment. It hasn't skyrocketed out of control like F1, and it is a lot cheaper than most.
 
BRRT_Angel
I do accept that NASCAR is probably the most successful series at the moment. It hasn't skyrocketed out of control like F1, and it is a lot cheaper than most.
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The truth is, NASCAR is struggling to keep people in the stands. Your typical family of working class rednecks can no longer afford the cost of tickets.

Virtually every venue is reducing seating capacity to make attendance look better on TV.
 
Dotini
The truth is, NASCAR is struggling to keep people in the stands. Your typical family of working class rednecks can no longer afford the cost of tickets.
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That's how it is all the way around though. Only a few big races will ever get full stands now. That's the best way to judge where economy is compared to demand.
 
Dotini
The truth is, NASCAR is struggling to keep people in the stands. Your typical family of working class rednecks can no longer afford the cost of tickets.

Virtually every venue is reducing seating capacity to make attendance look better on TV.
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Cough Daytona rising...
 
TDZdave
But open wheel racing grows and shrinks in popularity all the time in the states, as little as 20 years ago winning the Indy 500 meant something internationally, now it seems its barely recognizable in indycar itself,

And with todays financial climate, I cant help but hear the ripple effect that not having this race is going to echo right through to the sponsors for next year,
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Definitely not True, this video explains why(Look at the stands yourself):
 
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