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Flat out, used to be an IRL packfest too...
Emphasis on 'used to'.

I'd remove Texas from the calendar, not because it's "dangerous" but because it's boring as 🤬.

As for today's race, I see lots of people are overreacting and panicking because of the pack racing, which was to be expected almost. What the people forget is that pack racing at Fontana is quite a different deal than at a 1.5 miler like Vegas with an oversized field...
 
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I think I found where some of the attendance for the race ended up....

Jeff Gluck@jeff_gluck1m

If you’re headed to Sonoma, leave now. Heavy, heavy traffic already. Expecting biggest crowd in more than 10 years.

Good thing the owner of California Speedway is already demanding the race get moved back to where it belongs and hopefully Indycar doesn't schedule a race that competes with another major national touring series in the same state again...
 
Reading the comments and complaints about today's race here and on a few other forums make me question what Indycar fans even want out of the series anymore? Because as far as close competition goes, this was the kind of race that NASCAR has touted as being par for the course for years... Yet I read and hear from fans, drivers and team managers that the race was "A Farce"? "Just Stupid"? Will Power going so far as to ask "What are we doing out there?"

Well, what were they doing out there? Racing in a tight pack lap after lap, sitting like fish in a barrel until somebody decides to throw a hand grenade in there for kicks (IE the common definition of "Pack Racing")? In my opinion, no. All 23 drivers out there today at Fontana were in control of their cars and chose to make dive-bomb passes, chop and squeeze drivers trying to make a pass and go 4, even 5 wide at times in order to gain position... Yet they get out of the car afterwards, turn back around and claim that what they were doing is too dangerous when they are the only ones responsible for putting themselves into those positions of extreme danger in the first place?

It begs to wonder what the reaction to today's racing had been if the cars were closer in looks to LMP1's with fenders, full bodies and roofs... Has NASCAR made the kind of racing we saw at Fontana OK because the fans expect drivers to walk away?

Congratulations to winner of this race. He drove hard all day and had been knocking on the door to victory lane all year.
 
Reading the comments and complaints about today's race here and on a few other forums make me question what Indycar fans even want out of the series anymore? Because as far as close competition goes, this was the kind of race that NASCAR has touted as being par for the course for years... Yet I read and hear from fans, drivers and team managers that the race was "A Farce"? "Just Stupid"? Will Power going so far as to ask "What are we doing out there?"

Well, what were they doing out there? Racing in a tight pack lap after lap, sitting like fish in a barrel until somebody decides to throw a hand grenade in there for kicks (IE the common definition of "Pack Racing")? In my opinion, no. All 23 drivers out there today at Fontana were in control of their cars and chose to make dive-bomb passes, chop and squeeze drivers trying to make a pass and go 4, even 5 wide at times in order to gain position... Yet they get out of the car afterwards, turn back around and claim that what they were doing is too dangerous when they are the only ones responsible for putting themselves into those positions of extreme danger in the first place?

It begs to wonder what the reaction to today's racing had been if the cars were closer in looks to LMP1's with fenders, full bodies and roofs... Has NASCAR made the kind of racing we saw at Fontana OK because the fans expect drivers to walk away?

Congratulations to winner of this race. He drove hard all day and had been knocking on the door to victory lane all year.
The main reason why there has been a lot of anger about this from the drivers and some fans is because of the Dan Wheldon incident still being somewhat fresh on some of their minds (including mine).

It was this type of racing that led to his death; yes, this is a wider track and there is about 10-15 less cars but it is still pack racing in semi-open wheel cars. That was not the only time that pack racing caused a big crash: Atlanta in 2001:


Though this has no relation, after Dale Earnhardt died at Daytona, at the spring Talladega race, I remember Mike Joy and DW on fox praising that it was a safe race and that no one crashed hard. At the time, the NASCAR community was uneasy with the highspeed racing. Indycar is the same with pack racing since the last time it was attempted, there was a fatality.
 
Once again, what we saw yesterday was not an Indy Racing League style pack race. Drivers still had to get off the throttle in the turns after their tires degraded. They could still pull off slingshot passes and get some separation. And most importantly, they couldn't hold their cars on the inside line for more than 5 - 10 laps. We didn't have 11 rows of cars 3 wide locked in a giant formation.

If the whiners in the series don't want to race IndyCars on ovals anymore, then step aside and let other aspiring racers like myself replace them.
 
Well, if future attendance is anything like it was for the race the problem may just fix itself.:nervous:

I really have to wonder what they were thinking when they made the schedule. Were they so focused on the big bad NFL that they forgot to check if any other major racing series had a race going that same weekend in the general area?

On a related note, I can't wait to see if Mark finally goes through with his plan to have the season start earlier, although knowing how IndyCar is ran, they will probably run St. Pete Feb. 20-21.:lol:
 
I really have to wonder what they were thinking when they made the schedule. Were they so focused on the big bad NFL that they forgot to check if any other major racing series had a race going that same weekend in the general area?

On a related note, I can't wait to see if Mark finally goes through with his plan to have the season start earlier, although knowing how IndyCar is ran, they will probably run St. Pete Feb. 20-21.:lol:
I wouldn't be surprised given Mark Miles' history of idiotic decisions. He has done nothing to show that he actually cares about the fans.
 
I didn't see the full race due to a power outage. I didn't see any telemetry in regards to throttle usage during the last 32 laps that I did get to see. What I saw appeared to be wide open 100% 2-3, sometimes 4 wide racing. I didn't see any inability to run the bottom.. just the lead car on the inside running the 2nd lane in an attempt to further slow the outer 2 cars in the corners and gain an advantage on them.

Edit: Toronto's ratings were the lowest since Houston 2013, which happened to be the least watched race for the series.

IndyCar Series racing from Toronto drew 196,000 viewers on NBCSN Sunday afternoon, down 60% from race 2 of a doubleheader last year (484K) and down 24% from 2013 (258K). The telecast, which was dwarfed head-to-head by NASCAR on FS1 (3.5M), ranks as the least-watched IndyCar race on any network since Houston in October 2013 (161K).

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/201...ts-season-low-nbcsn-copa-america-bein-sports/

So, how long before they realize that it's not the NFL that is their issue... it's NASCAR... it always has been NASCAR since the 90s.... If they want more viewers and more people at the track, then they need to not schedule races in the same state or at the same time as any NASCAR race.
 
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Okay, I had this on DVR and sped through it today. I will agree that all of the wrecks (except Sato's) I saw were from people turning into and/or pinching another.

The last wreck was scary, but it only involved a couple of cars, so it wasn't the worst.

My thoughts after watching the race are that there NEEDS to be spotters. Seriously. And, that when the spotter says "On your side", the driver MUST back off or turn away.

This was a very good race, though! I enjoyed watching it (what I could at high speed.....).

I feel sorry for those who are undermining a good race and series, either intentionally or out of stupidity.
 
Okay, I had this on DVR and sped through it today. I will agree that all of the wrecks (except Sato's) I saw were from people turning into and/or pinching another.

The last wreck was scary, but it only involved a couple of cars, so it wasn't the worst.

My thoughts after watching the race are that there NEEDS to be spotters. Seriously. And, that when the spotter says "On your side", the driver MUST back off or turn away.

This was a very good race, though! I enjoyed watching it (what I could at high speed.....).

I feel sorry for those who are undermining a good race and series, either intentionally or out of stupidity.
Indycar don't use spotters? That's insane!
I'm pretty sure they do.

It was mentioned in the broadcast they have spotters.
 
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Well, glad to hear it. It was just a bit ineffective when the drivers didn't back off.....

Oh, well. It was a good race. Maybe a bit long on that track.
 
Sato did get loose off 4, but he got squeezed by Power and Briscoe, which led to the contact and the crash.
 
Sato did get loose off 4, but he got squeezed by Power and Briscoe, which led to the contact and the crash.
Power and Dixon. Briscoe was in front of it.
 
Even then, Sato could've backed out of it. He clearly had enough speed to come right back.
 
Indycar don't use spotters? That's insane!
Ya, on ovals they do. When they interviewed Carpenter and Newgarden after they were released from medical, Ed made a comment about how he was annoyed that his spotter didn't tell him Josef was on his high side.
 
Well, it was my first time seeing the video reaction by Robin Miller. It almost sort of seemed like IndyCar or any of the promoters diminishing the product. I am sorry I'm late to this party. But still... this was a great race that probably could have been observed by a greater audience. Maybe the promoters or something thought they were trying to draw a bigger race than the NASCAR event at Sonoma Raceway. Trying to compete with them. You need a whole lot to top most NASCAR races as far as competiting motorsports go. The racing at Fontana deserves to be prime time on Saturday night as the finale; not Saturday afternoon in late June.


Oh, well. Bring on Milwaukee (July 11-12)!
 
This is not comparable to Vegas 2011. That was 33 cars on a steep narrow 1.5 miler. Auto Club / California is a wide, fairly flat 2.0 miler with 4-5 lanes. You either want exciting racing (and they went 130 laps+ without cautions) or follow my leader.

And well done Robin Miller, totally agreed on all points. Indycar has all the ingredients to be great again, but bosses seem determined not to be interested.

Some people make it sound by the way like an oval is the only place major accidents happen. Really?
Dario Franchitti's career ended on a street track.
 
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