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Could be to allow for celebrations. I don't know if it would work since the teams acquire their tires at the beginning of the race weekend.
 
Honestly...why the **** should tires THAT ARE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY be considered in a tech inspection? Especially after you know...A BURNOUT. <_<
 
catamount39
Honestly...why the **** should tires THAT ARE THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY be considered in a tech inspection? Especially after you know...A BURNOUT. <_<
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Because it's part of the car's weight...

It's like asking the doctor to not count your arms and legs as part of your weight when you step on the scale...
 
GTPorsche
Because it's part of the car's weight...

It's like asking the doctor to not count your arms and legs as part of your weight when you step on the scale...
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Tires aren't on the cars when they are assembled and shipped, so no, they aren't like appendages. They would be classified as accessories, like shoes. On that reasoning, no it shouldn't. But for argument's sake since I know you'll have something to gripe back with, the team should be forced to put fresher tires on for that inspection if the rule were to remain unchanged.
 
The scales they use to weight the cars require tires to be on them. There is zero argument against tires being on the car for weight purposes...

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GTPorsche
The scales they use to weight the cars require tires to be on them. There is zero argument against tires being on the car for weight purposes...

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Which is why I typed the second part of my post.
 
I'd like to know how
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the team should be forced to put fresher tires on for that inspection if the rule were to remain unchanged.
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I cannot agree more with this.

Tires wear. If a car with barely any rubber left on the tires comes across the scales underweight, it just might be at the required weight with fresher, brand new (or scuffed) tires.
 
Which is what they did after the car initially failed.. which is why they kept the win.

You guys are acting like Indycar pulled off some heinous screw job here...
 
GTPorsche
Which is what they did after the car initially failed.. which is why they kept the win.

You guys are acting like Indycar pulled off some heinous screw job here...
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Obviously not if Seabass kept the win. But the fine makes no sense.
 
True. Which means that it ran the race at or below the required weight.

I remember Nascar tearing down an engine many years ago. (I think it was Rusty Wallace.) and finding that, when hot, the dimensions of the engine produced a higher than allowed compression ratio. I don't remember if he lost the win, but they appealed, I'm sure.

The point is, rules are made to even the playing field. If someone goes outside the rules, they should get more than a slap on the wrist.

I don't think, in the end, that this was a horrible infraction, and I think that, in the end, IndyCar did okay in the situation.

I just agree with @GTPorsche that it was not rubbed into everyone's heads that this isn't a good idea.
 
GTPorsche
Because it's part of the car's weight...
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Along with fuel they. are the only things that can change the weight of the car during the race.

I think the idea of putting the all the cars on sticker tires post race would probably be the best solution (also a full tank of fuel).

It's like asking the doctor to not count your arms and legs as part of your weight when you step on the scale...
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It's more like asking the doctor to not weigh your shoes, which they usually have you take off before weighing.
 
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Tires aren't on the cars when they are assembled and shipped, so no, they aren't like appendages. They would be classified as accessories, like shoes. On that reasoning, no it shouldn't. But for argument's sake since I know you'll have something to gripe back with, the team should be forced to put fresher tires on for that inspection if the rule were to remain unchanged.
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In F1 it's normal for the drivers to add mass to the tyres as they return to the pits, burn-out or not. The tyres are a fundamental part of the car's race-mass and therefore a fundamental part of the post-race weighing. I can't believe that no Indy drivers ever add mass to the tyres after the race, just to be certain?
 
Simple solution, have 4 unused tires at the weigh bridge to put on the given car that is being weighed, having cars being weighed when there is a part on the car that is very variable in weight makes things difficult, especially when you consider the more rubber on the tire the faster it will be.
 
mustafur
Simple solution, have 4 unused tires at the weigh bridge to put on the given car that is being weighed, having cars being weighed when there is a part on the car that is very variable in weight makes things difficult, especially when you consider the more rubber on the tire the faster it will be.
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I note that the regs allow +/- 3lbs, so there's already room to play with. And who the hell has used pounds since 1970? :O :D

If a driver wants to carry peformance (more rubber, more fuel, different ballast centre) then there's an offset. The car has to be legal after the race, it's as simple as that. It's not like the teams don't employee engineers who can do adding-up-and-taking-away.
 
TenEightyOne
I note that the regs allow +/- 3lbs, so there's already room to play with. And who the hell has used pounds since 1970? :O :D

If a driver wants to carry peformance (more rubber, more fuel, different ballast centre) then there's an offset. The car has to be legal after the race, it's as simple as that. It's not like the teams don't employee engineers who can do adding-up-and-taking-away.
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For sure, but it should be noted indy races on short ovals and they don't exactly have the time to collect the amount of rubber an F1 car or the like can when on the cool down lap.
 
I've given up hope on this series. Between the public outcry over Fontana, the unbelievable amount of post-race fines that should've impacted race results but didn't and the general feeling of incompetence on behalf of the management regarding every single facet of the series, I just don't see Indycar having a future past next year.

Also, the series is such a tiny blip on motorsport in America my phone auto-corrected "Inducer" for "Indycar" bUT knows what NASCAR is...
 
Yes indeed. 20 races would be a good season, not less than 15. It works for enduros, but they are so long that it's understandable. Like marathons, it takes a while to prepare for and recover from.
 
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Yes indeed. 20 races would be a good season, not less than 15. It works for enduros, but they are so long that it's understandable. Like marathons, it takes a while to prepare for and recover from.
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That's what I was thinking the other day. Enduro sportscar championships run fewer races because the amount of hours on track is much, much higher. This series is WAY to short. 11 races? What is this, Formula Ford? The ending date is stupid too, this series cannot belittle itself into thinking it can't compete. Honestly they're making themselves look like a joke. Which is sad because the racing has been very good if not insane at times this year.
 
Only during qualifying inspection is fuel present in the car for tech inspections and then it's only 6 gallons. Any other time fuel tanks have to be empty.
 
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