2016 Verizon IndyCar SeriesOpen Wheel
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I think the big thing a lot of people keep saying is that these are freak accidents. People still died so we should attempt everything we can to prevent their reoccourance.
I fail to understand why this isn't sinking in? I don't watch racing to see people die or have monster accidents, I watch it to see close racing and wether that is at 100 mph or 200 mph doesn't make much difference to me if the competition is good.
If you're worried about people turning off because there's not any huge crashes then honestly I'm glad to see them go because that's not what racing is about.
I fail to understand why this isn't sinking in? I don't watch racing to see people die or have monster accidents, I watch it to see close racing and wether that is at 100 mph or 200 mph doesn't make much difference to me if the competition is good.
If you're worried about people turning off because there's not any huge crashes then honestly I'm glad to see them go because that's not what racing is about.
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There's zero airflow in those canopies, mostly because it's not needed for such a short race. The design would need modifying or there would have to be an addition of an A/C unit.
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If it is not a freak accident then it is systemic. If it systemic the only ethical thing they can do is shut down the series until a proven solution is put in place otherwise it's gross negligence in the name of entertainment.
This was a freak accident. Motorsport is dangerous.
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Because drivers in closed cars constantly pass out.... come on man, ventilation is nothing alien.
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See the thing is for me a canopy is not a solution to the problem. If it was Allen Simonsen would still be with us. Freak accidents happen and if we enclose open wheel cars in a canopy it could cause more people ms then it solves, what if there is a fire? Admittedly I can't remember the last time one of these Indycars went up in flames but it's a consideration, on the other hand you can fit fire suppression systems like LMP1 has (at least from my understanding they have them fitted). I think LMP1 holds the real solution if there are any changes to be made and that is enclosing the front of the car, like they have with the rear, in my head a larger piece would have settled down faster and not been bouncing around as much. I'm thinking something that looks like an R18 would be the best "solution"
I'm at a crossroad as to weather that is necessary though racing is dangerous, should changes come? Of course they should but I don't think enclosing anything is really the answer Indycar should be going for. I think the real thing that I'm left wondering personally is why is nosecone so stiff, was Kimball's nose just going though crumple zones on Hawkworth's car or was that another stiff nosecone causing problems? (Legit question for those who know, I would have though that side pod was meant as a stiff crash box like the chassis but Rahal's accident is making me wonder)
I'm at a crossroad as to weather that is necessary though racing is dangerous, should changes come? Of course they should but I don't think enclosing anything is really the answer Indycar should be going for. I think the real thing that I'm left wondering personally is why is nosecone so stiff, was Kimball's nose just going though crumple zones on Hawkworth's car or was that another stiff nosecone causing problems? (Legit question for those who know, I would have though that side pod was meant as a stiff crash box like the chassis but Rahal's accident is making me wonder)
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I think the hardest part about the situation is that there really isn't an easy solution that you can incorporate over night. An enclosed cockpit would be the most sensible route, but even that isn't easy as you need to address quite a few things and pretty much design the car around it before you can put it into practice..
I think the best option would be something along the lines of this render (a jetfighter style canopy won't work).
Obviously there are issues with the rendering, but it gives you a good idea of how a closed-cockpit, open wheel car could look.
I think the best option would be something along the lines of this render (a jetfighter style canopy won't work).
Obviously there are issues with the rendering, but it gives you a good idea of how a closed-cockpit, open wheel car could look.
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This would be freaking awesome.I think the hardest part about the situation is that there really isn't an easy solution that you can incorporate over night. An enclosed cockpit would be the most sensible route, but even that isn't easy as you need to address quite a few things and pretty much design the car around it before you can put it into practice..
I think the best option would be something along the lines of this render (a jetfighter style canopy won't work).
Obviously there are issues with the rendering, but it gives you a good idea of how a closed-cockpit, open wheel car could look.
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Racer.com posted this on Facebook. Figured I'd show it. They (ther are two, but this one has the the # thingy) were designed by Andy Blackmoore to show support for Wilson. 
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This was not a freak accident. Open cockpit drivers having near misses or getting hit in the head by debris or even wild life has been going on as long as there has been racing.
The risk of getting struck in the head by a piece of debri in an open cockpit car is a very real persistent danger.
NASCAR pit crews now wear helmets because of a 'freak accident'. Freak accident or not, safety changes should be made so the chances of such incidents leading to serious injury again are reduced.
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The Canopies would have to have AC or a Duct like Nascar. Also it would change anything as in when the car flips over as drivers can't get out now if the car does flip. The Safest way now would be to have Dallara make a chassis that has the Canopy apart of it.
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It makes little difference to you as you won't be watching it for a good long while, but yes, it's always been a real and persistent danger. There are many real and persistent dangers in Motorsport, and whatever good it may or may not do to react to specific low probability situations somebody will die again in motorsport, I hope it's not Justin Wilson, but it will happen.
Severity*Frequency*Preventative Action = Risk Score. When you start reacting to certain events at a given risk score, you should react to them all anything else is hypocritical and negligent, this is the way I see it, this is the way industry works.
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Guessing it'll be about Wilson?
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