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Might as well give Castroneves the championship now. One call to change the outcome of the race and possibly the championship. :indiff:
 
What do you know, Ryan Briscoe crashes another

I see why Dixon was penalized, but that's still a cheap call.
 
GTPorsche
Beaux Barfield needs to shut the hell up. Was Dixon suppose to crabwalk the car out of his pitbox?
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Considering he said that Dixon had been in Power's box for a half-car length before he even hit him, I think he needed the penalty as cheap as it is. The tire carrier needs to go back to pre-school and learn how to look both ways before crossing the street though...
 
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often to be honest as the pit boxes in Indycar seem a lot smaller compared to those in F1 and the pit exits by most cars are fairly wild (wheel spin, etc) compared to say Le Mans which also has a tight pits.

I guess the biggest difference is that in Indycar, multiple cars in each team have their own individual pit box, rather than all sharing the same pit box. Which is what leads to so many pit boxes being required in the first place and then them being so tightly packed.
 
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Considering he said that Dixon had been in Power's box for a half-car length before he even hit him, I think he needed the penalty as cheap as it is. The tire carrier needs to go back to pre-school and learn how to look both ways before crossing the street though...
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There was no space between the two pit boxes, so like I said, was Dixon suppose to crabwalk it out?
 
Apparently the pit boxes don't follow the lines painted on the ground to differentiate themselves. Why not? That would make this situation so much easier to resolve.
 
*sigh* It's hard to take IndyCar seriously when all the officials have the mental capacity of a newborn chimp.
 
GTPorsche
There was no space between the two pit boxes, so like I said, was Dixon suppose to crabwalk it out?
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There was at least a car length probably more between the two. I know the low speed turning radius of open wheel cars aren't that great but how much room do you need?
 
Don't know if it's been said because I've not read the thread but: That rear wheel cover just saved the guy's life. If the wheel had been open it'd have flipped him at the floor like no one's business and killed him with blunt head trauma or broken neck.
 
lol Dixie. What kind of stupid idiot do you have to be to think that someone would jump infront of a moving race car on purpose to screw you over?

EDIT: Especially when you drive into the other pitbox. What, do you just expect them to jump out of your way? Penalty deserved.
 
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I didn't watch the end but just saw the video.

Indy pit boxes are weird as the lines through alot of things off for the eye to see but the picture speaks volumes. I think it was one of those random freak deals that happens but got lucky for sure. It looks like the tire the carrier was holding grabbed Dixon's car and that's when it did what it did, Scott really couldn't have done much to avoid it because I think the was turned pretty tight to get out and the crew guy wasn't hugging the Power's car tight either.
 
cnd01
http://www.indycals.net/images/misc/willspitbox.jpg

This pic should clarify
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Thank you for the highlighted picture. I was at the race sitting in the main grandstand behind pit lane, and I can verify that Dixon did indeed enter Power's pit box. And I actually work for Target, and I'm ashamed that Scott Dixon suggested that any pit crewman would intentionally walk into a moving race car. Penalizing Dixon was the right call.
 
Looking at that pic, it seems Dixon should have been ~1 car width further right to where he was, so I guess it was the right call.

I get from that image that the pitbox is supposed to line up with the end of the team's pitwall, but the white lines on the ground are still misleading.
 
f40
Looking at that pic, it seems Dixon should have been ~1 car width further right to where he was, so I guess it was the right call.

I get from that image that the pitbox is supposed to line up with the end of the team's pitwall, but the white lines on the ground are still misleading.
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The white lines in Sonoma Raceway's pit lane separate NASCAR pit boxes. At IndyCar races, sponsor banners on the pit wall mark the pit boxes of their respective drivers.


To those of you who thought it was a bad call, please watch the replay. Dixon clearly crosses into Power's pit box marked by the Verizon banner. Best replay angle showing Dixon crossing the Verizon banner starts at 3:49.
 
GTPorsche
Yeah, I guess you're right.

Dixon should have clobbered his own pit crew instead. :rolleyes:
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I think he had room to not clobber anyone. Dixon didn't anticipate the rear tire carrier being too stupid to get out of the way of a moving car, so he took a straighter line out of his box which put him in Power's box.
 
cnd01
I think he had room to not clobber anyone. Dixon didn't anticipate the rear tire carrier being too stupid to get out of the way of a moving car, so he took a straighter line out of his box which put him in Power's box.
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He was going to cross into Power's box either way, just like all the other drivers were crossing through other's boxes, either on entry, exit, or both depending on position on pit road. It happens with every pitstop, and looking at the linked image of Dixon's pit exit, there's no differentiation in the tiremarks leaving his pitbox, so it's not like he changed his line to put himself further into Power's pitbox.

I don't agree with Barfield's ruling on it at all. If the tire changer wasn't holding the tire the way he was, no one would have been hit.
 
GTPorsche
He was going to cross into Power's box either way, just like all the other drivers were crossing through other's boxes, either on entry, exit, or both depending on position on pit road. It happens with every pitstop, and looking at the linked image of Dixon's pit exit, there's no differentiation in the tiremarks leaving his pitbox, so it's not like he changed his line to put himself further into Power's pitbox.

I don't agree with Barfield's ruling on it at all. If the tire changer wasn't holding the tire the way he was, no one would have been hit.
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I agree that Dixon was "normally" cutting thru the corner of Power's pit box.

And that this would "normally" be ok.

However, in this particular case, Power's rear-wheel tire carrier was still there.

Dixon should have altered his pit-exit line to go around the crew-member.

The tire carrier was clearly within Power's pit-box, so Dixon must avoid him.

Looking closely at the video, the tire-carrier's right foot was inside the air-gun's hose which was still on the ground, so I suspect that the tire-carrier was walking back to the pit-wall pretty much on his "normal" line.

You can't hit pit crew.👎

IMO, IZOD-IndyCars is partly at fault, because of the poorly marked pit-boxes (as mentioned by f40 and TheMokafan), but still, Dixon needs to avoid running into pit-crew, so the penalty was deserved.

Respectfully,
GTsail
 
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He was going to cross into Power's box either way, just like all the other drivers were crossing through other's boxes, either on entry, exit, or both depending on position on pit road. It happens with every pitstop, and looking at the linked image of Dixon's pit exit, there's no differentiation in the tiremarks leaving his pitbox, so it's not like he changed his line to put himself further into Power's pitbox.

I don't agree with Barfield's ruling on it at all. If the tire changer wasn't holding the tire the way he was, no one would have been hit.
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I do agree with the ruling, but both the tire changer and Scott Dixon were at fault ultimately. That incident should not have happened imo. The tire changer could have been looking at the car that's coming at him (common sense) and he could have carried the tire differently and walked closer to the car. Technically he didn't have to do either of those because he was well inside his own pit box. Scott Dixon could have been more careful on pit exit although he's probably left the pits that way thousands of times before in the past. Should he have been more careful? Technically yes because he had about 75% of his car inside the pit box of Will Power when he hit the guy. That's why I agree with the penalty. I do hope that tire carrier learned his lesson though.
 
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I agree that Dixon was "normally" cutting thru the corner of Power's pit box.

And that this would "normally" be ok.

However, in this particular case, Power's rear-wheel tire carrier was still there.

Dixon should have altered his pit-exit line to go around the crew-member.

The tire carrier was clearly within Power's pit-box, so Dixon must avoid him.

Looking closely at the video, the tire-carrier's right foot was inside the air-gun's hose which was still on the ground, so I suspect that the tire-carrier was walking back to the pit-wall pretty much on his "normal" line.

You can't hit pit crew.👎

IMO, IZOD-IndyCars is partly at fault, because of the poorly marked pit-boxes (as mentioned by f40 and TheMokafan), but still, Dixon needs to avoid running into pit-crew, so the penalty was deserved.

Respectfully,
GTsail
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This.

Also, Dixon lost a ton of class points for implying that the crewman essentially took a dive. By a ton, I mean pretty much all of what he had.
 



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This race in ridiculous. Every driver out there has the mentality of "DIVEBOMB EVERYONE IN FRONT OF ME".
 
They are just having no luck in this race.
Will Power ruins Dixon's chances RIGHT after the green flag. They go to green again and there's a pileup.


Just.. I can't.. I can't. There's no way I'd be able to ever can.
 
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