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So it's right where the beach pool is. Awesome :D
 
I figured they'd have pitlane right on the foreshore. The field Bobby's and at the infield is where they usually have the Necastle Carnival and Torana Fest. They totally bypassed The Esplanade. The run from Watt St, King St, past the Lighthouse driveway and back to the foreshore will be interesting.
Put it this way, make your hotel arrangements at the Novotel off Watt St right now. There is also a decent Travel Lodge across from the King St Hotel. Other than that, plenty of backpacker accommodation across from The Novotel.

Oh, and guaranteed a few flybys by Williamtown RAAF base jets. ;)

Guess I'm going to Perth for my birthday.
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Finally, now I can put my annual leave in for Clipsal! I'll have to try to get to Newy too, it'd be interesting to compare two marquee street circuit events.
 
I wish there was something new to the calendar except Newcastle being added, at the moment the calendar feels a bit dull.
 
Pleasantly surprised, the Newcastle street circuit looks really good.
 
I struggle to take it seriously because it just looks like Adelaide:

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The reverse direction of the track and a completely different track elevation (as well as the Sochi like section), makes me disagree, can't wait to see it be raced :D
 
I just think that there's a lot more that could be done in the first half of the lap.
 
Another calendar problem is that (like this year), I don't feel comfortable with how after the Endurance Cup, there is only 2 rounds left. It's good for free viewers as that means you only miss out on 1 race in the final 5 rounds, about it feels odd, after 3 difficult rounds which are totally dfferent and hen you are suddenly back on with the normal V8 Setup... for only 2 rounds, and since the Endurance races are worth so much and anything can happen in these "outlier races", feels a little bit screwy for anyone who doesn't succeed in the Endurance races.
 
I wonder if it would be worth spacing the Endurance Cup out a bit. Bring the Gold Coast 600 forward to March, and shuffle something back to be a sprint round after Bathurst. I know that means messing with the availability of drivers, but I don't think that it would mess with the logistics of preparations too much.
 
If KL City gets its legal issues sorted, I wouldn't mind inserting it before or after NZ.

Have like an international tour before the finale :D
 
That run from Turn 1 starts uphill after Hunter St. Turn 2 passes the old medical center. Turn 3, 4, 5go back down hill. Turn 7 starts a slight uphill grade past Fort Scratchley and downhill to the left hand roundabout. The last left handers past the Nobby's parking lot(that's also where helicopter rides take place), are going to have to be repaved(the dog beach is there as well).

It will probably be the slowest track on the calender. Weather, rain or shine, is still going to make the event awesome. It's a nice place to be anytime of the year.

Edit: Me and the wife had another look. They are actually going through the park from Turn 4. The footpath is wide but uses pavers. There's slight cresting to it as well(it leads to the underpass to access Newcastle Beach). They turn left and go through a drive/parking lot entrance and turn right back onto Hunter St. Really bizarre.

Edit 2: My wife told me to share this.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4...er-backs-awesome-newcastle-coast-track-video/
 
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Isn't the city ripping up the train lines along the foreshore? If so, it wouldn't be difficult to send the cars down Wharf Road to Wolf Street, make a hard left onto Hunter Street, and then run back to Watt Street. That should add a bit more length to the circuit and eliminate the problem of slow traffic.
 
The defunct terminal is at the end of Hunter St. The trains now terminate at Hamilton or Broadmeadow. Railway lines won't effect the circuit. Council were talking about a light rail system before we left in 2012. Last I was up there was this past July.
 
If KL City gets its legal issues sorted, I wouldn't mind inserting it before or after NZ.

Have like an international tour before the finale :D
NZ isn't international, it's like a country that we allow to exist lol.
 
The defunct terminal is at the end of Hunter St. The trains now terminate at Hamilton or Broadmeadow. Railway lines won't effect the circuit.
Well then, it shouldn't be difficult to put a hairpin at Wolfe Street. Even if council want light rail, they could just close the eastern end of the line off on race weekends.
 
Well then, it shouldn't be difficult to put a hairpin at Wolfe Street. Even if council want light rail, they could just close the eastern end of the line off on race weekends.
Too hilly there. It's like a ski slope. Plus it runs across Hunter St mall. Would be quite a few residents up in arms about the noise and blocked access right there.
 
Too hilly there. It's like a ski slope. Plus it runs across Hunter St mall. Would be quite a few residents up in arms about the noise and blocked access right there.
That's not how I remember it at all. It's flat all along the waterfront. I reckon that you could go all the way down Wharf Road to Wolfe Street and turn left onto Scott Street. Then follow Scott Street all the way back to Watt Street. You're going up one side of the railroad and coming back down the other. It might be hilly if you went up Wolfe Street, but I am not suggesting that. Looking at it in Google Maps satellite view, it looks like it would be manageable.
 
That's not how I remember it at all. It's flat all along the waterfront. I reckon that you could go all the way down Wharf Road to Wolfe Street and turn left onto Scott Street. Then follow Scott Street all the way back to Watt Street. You're going up one side of the railroad and coming back down the other. It might be hilly if you went up Wolfe Street, but I am not suggesting that. Looking at it in Google Maps satellite view, it looks like it would be manageable.
Okay, you'd have to go past The Crown Hotel and turn left across the old tracks at Hunter St. I thought of that when it was first proposed. I figure it would have been on the cards as well. Not much spectating can be done from there. So, probably took away from the experience. Would be a fast bit of track on both sides though.


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Okay, you'd have to go past The Crown Hotel and turn left across the old tracks at Hunter St.
Google Maps seems to suggest that it could be done between the Queens Wharf Hotel and Scratchley's on the Wharf and rejoin opposite the RSL club.

Not much spectating can be done from there.
In which case, I would run it in reverse so that it concludes the lap rather than starts it. Also, the purpose-built section around the headland looks like it would be better in reverse because it would be faster; it's a multi-apex sweeper where each individual apex is of a different radius.
 
I think the direction it's run, affords the pit lane a better entry and exit. It could be run either way. Counter clockwise facing the horizon, turning left to go around Nobby's Reserve and up and over past Fort Scratchley still works. Heading down Watt St, as opposed to uphill would be cool as well.

However, the Wharf Road/Scott St vantage points, would be limited seating stands at the Clarendon Hotel and same stands, head on with the cars at Scott & Watt Sts.

Frosty was saying how the drivers wanted the track and council said it's going to be the way it's drawn out. We'll see if plans change.
 
Frosty was saying how the drivers wanted the track and council said it's going to be the way it's drawn
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Did Winterbottom and the council say the same thing or different things?

What exactly did he say? I only caught part of the interview on "Inside Supercars" (most of which was a recap of what we already knew mixed in with PR-friendly noises of approval) but he did say that letting the drivers choose was a terrible idea because of course they're going to create the most impractical design.
 
Just had a look at the proposed track on Street View. Looks incredible, also incredibly technical and tight with not much room for mistake. The narrow inner city section will be like nothing we've really seen on an Australian street circuit due to how close the buildings are to the track (Not even GC has buildings that close and narrow), while a lot of work will need to be done. The park section from 4-6 looks as though it will be ripped up and so will many roundabouts. Will people care for so much work to be done? Is it really viable? Especially also for the beach 'loop', that's a fair amount of park that will be permanently changed.
 
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Did Winterbottom and the council say the same thing or different things?

What exactly did he say? I only caught part of the interview on "Inside Supercars" (most of which was a recap of what we already knew mixed in with PR-friendly noises of approval) but he did say that letting the drivers choose was a terrible idea because of course they're going to create the most impractical design.
Nothing special, just that bit you mentioned.

Rgaring the layout, it's going to be the Monaco of Supercars. Low speeds, short lap and at the moment, bumpy.
No doubt they'll have to repave plenty of spots.
 
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Will people care for so much work to be done?
If you pitch it right, people can get excited for it. How many major national sporting events have a finale outside one of the state capitals? Even when Newcastle make it to the NRL Grand Final, they have to travel to Sydney for a "home" game. The Newcastle race has the potential to be accessible to a new fanbase in the same way as Townsville.

I know VESA have taken criticism for an over-reliance on street circuits in the past (even though only four of the fourteen rounds are street events), but the appeal lies in the way that they can take the sport directly to population centres for a fraction of the price of investing in a new permanent circuit.

Rgaring the layout, it's going to be the Monaco of Supercars. Low speeds, short lap and at the moment, bumpy.
I do think that it needs to be a bit longer. It's the shortest street circuit on the calendar (Townsville and the Gold Coast come in at 2.9km, while Adelaide is 3.1km), and the third-shortest overall (Symmons Plains and Barbagallo are ~2.4km each). It's such a short, tight lap that it runs the risk of being another Canberra - and Canberra fell just short of four kilometres.
 
I don't think it needs to be long, if it's an endurance then it needs to be long but it isn't. I'm fine with a really short street circuit, decent change of pace if you think about it.
 
I don't think it needs to be long, if it's an endurance then it needs to be long but it isn't.
The potential problems arise when you consider that the compact layout is likely to be very cramped. Large sections of the circuit are only two or three lanes wide in places, even with modifications to pavements and parking bays to make it as wide as possible; compare that to Adelaide and Homebush Bay where most of the circuit is four lanes wide. The short design also means that the straights won't be particularly long, which makes passing even harder. There's a real possibility of processional races because a defending driver will only have to plant the car in the middle of the road and nobody will be able to get past.
 
Surfers isn't that much of a circuit, yet, there is passing. The chicanes take a bite out of the straights and do allow for overtaking.

The run from Turn 1-2 is wide. 3-4 is as wide as they want to make it. Turn 5 is narrow. Turn 6 will be interesting. There should be passing at the run to Turn 8. I'd like longer straights, but it appears to be an okay layout.
 
Maybe they could elongate the circuit by extending the loop around the headland. The car park on the western side runs all the way up to Horseshoe Beach, and the road on the eastern side goes to the lighthouse.
 
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