2017/18 Premier League & General Football Discussion

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Liquid, May 29, 2017.

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Are transfer fees out of control?

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  1. Liquid

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    PREMIER LEAGUE


    Current Champions: Chelsea

    Competing In Europe
    Champions League:
    Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United
    Europa League: Arsenal, Everton

    New Teams
    Came Up:
    Newcastle United, Brighton & Hove Albion, Huddersfield Town

    Arsenal
    Bouremouth
    Brighton & Hove Albion
    Burnley
    Chelsea
    Crystal Palace
    Everton
    Huddersfield Town
    Leicester City
    Liverpool
    Manchester City
    Manchester United
    Newcastle United
    Southampton
    Stoke City
    Swansea City
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Watford
    West Bromwich Albion
    West Ham United

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    CHAMPIONSHIP

    Current Champions: Newcastle United

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Hull City, Middlesbrough, Sunderland
    Came Up: Sheffield United, Bolton Wanderers, Millwall

    Aston Villa
    Barnsley
    Birmingham City
    Bolton Wanderers
    Brentford
    Bristol City
    Burton Albion
    Cardiff City
    Derby County
    Fulham
    Hull City
    Ipswich Town
    Leeds United
    Middlesbrough
    Millwall
    Norwich City
    Nottingham Forest
    Preston North End
    Queen's Park Rangers
    Reading
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Sheffield United
    Sunderland
    Wolverhampton Wanderers

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    LEAGUE ONE

    Current Champions: Sheffield United

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic, Rotherham United
    Came Up: Portsmouth, Plymouth Argyle, Doncaster Rovers, Blackpool

    Blackburn Rovers
    Blackpool
    Bradford City
    Bristol Rovers
    Bury
    Charlton Athletic
    Doncaster Rovers
    Fleetwood Town
    Gillingham
    Milton Keynes Dons
    Northampton Town
    Oldham Athletic
    Oxford United
    Peterborough United
    Portsmouth
    Plymouth Argyle
    Rochdale
    Rotherham United
    Scunthorpe United
    Shrewsbury Town
    Southend United
    Walsall
    Wigan Athletic
    Wimbledon

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    LEAGUE TWO

    Current Champions: Portsmouth

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Port Vale, Swindon Town, Coventry City, Chesterfield
    Came Up: Lincoln City, Forest Green Rovers

    Accrington Stanley
    Barnet
    Cambridge United
    Carlisle United
    Cheltenham Town
    Chesterfield
    Colchester United
    Coventry City
    Crawley Town
    Crewe Alexandra
    Exeter City
    Forest Green Rovers
    Grimsby Town
    Lincoln City
    Luton Town
    Mansfield Town
    Morcambe
    Newport County
    Notts County
    Port Vale
    Swindon Town
    Stevenage
    Wycombe Wanderers
    Yeovil Town
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    ENGLISH SUPER CUP

    Current Holders: Manchester United

    2017/18 Winners: Arsenal

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    FA CUP

    Current Holders: Arsenal

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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE CUP

    Current Holders: Manchester United


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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY

    Current Holders: Coventry City​

    MANAGER WATCH

    A log of all managerial departures from the top 92 because sackings are all too quick to happen these days.

    Arsenal - Arsene Wenger
    Bouremouth - Eddie Howe
    Brighton & Hove Albion - Chris Hughton
    Burnley - Sean Dyche
    Chelsea - Antonio Conte
    Crystal Palace - Frank de Boer
    Everton - Ronald Koeman
    Huddersfield Town - David Wagner
    Leicester City - Craig Shakespeare
    Liverpool - Jürgen Klopp
    Manchester City - Josep Guardiola
    Manchester United - Jose Mourinho
    Newcastle United - Rafael Benitez
    Southampton - Mauricio Pellegrino
    Stoke City - Mark Hughes
    Swansea City - Paul Clement
    Tottenham Hotspur - Mauricio Pochettino
    Watford - Marco Silva
    West Bromwich Albion - Tony Pulis
    West Ham United - Slavan Billic

    Aston Villa - Steve Bruce
    Barnsley - Paul Heckingbottom
    Birmingham City - Harry Redknapp
    Bolton Wanderers - Phil Parkinson
    Brentford - Dean Smith
    Bristol City - Lee Johnson
    Burton Albion - Nigel Clough
    Cardiff City - Neil Warnock
    Derby County - Gary Rowett
    Fulham - Slaviša Jokanović
    Hull City - Leonid Slutsky
    Ipswich Town - Mick McCarthy
    Leeds United - Thomas Christiansen
    Middlesbrough - Garry Monk
    Millwall - Neil Harris
    Norwich City - Daniel Farke
    Nottingham Forest - Mark Warbuton
    Preston North End - Alex Neill
    Queen's Park Rangers - Ian Holloway
    Reading - Jaap Stam
    Sheffield Wednesday - Carlos Carvahal
    Sheffield United - Chris Wilder
    Sunderland - Simon Grayson
    Wolverhampton Wanderers - Nuno Santo

    Blackburn Rovers - Tony Mowbray
    Blackpool - Gary Bowyer
    Bradford City - Stuart McCall
    Bristol Rovers - Darrell Clarke
    Bury - Lee Clarke
    Charlton Athletic - Karl Robinson
    Doncaster Rovers - Darren Ferguson
    Fleetwood Town - Uwe Rösler
    Gillingham - Ady Pennock
    Milton Keynes Dons - Robbie Neilson
    Northampton Town - Justin Edinburgh
    Oldham Athletic - John Sheridan
    Oxford United - Josep Clotet
    Peterborough United - Grant McCann
    Portsmouth - Kenny Jackett
    Plymouth Argyle - Derek Adams
    Rochdale - Keith Hill
    Rotherham United - Paul Warne
    Scunthorpe United - Graham Alexander
    Shrewsbury Town - Paul Hurst
    Southend United - Phil Brown
    Walsall - Jon Whitney
    Wigan Athletic - Paul Cook
    Wimbledon - Neil Ardley

    Accrington Stanley - John Coleman
    Barnet - Rossi Eames
    Cambridge United - Shaun Derry
    Carlisle United - Keith Curle
    Cheltenham Town - Gary Johnson
    Chesterfield - Gary Caldwell
    Colchester United - John McGreal
    Coventry City - Mark Robins
    Crawley Town - Harry Kewell
    Crewe Alexandra - Dave Artell
    Exeter City - Paul Tisdale
    Forest Green Rovers - Mark Cooper
    Grimsby Town - Russell Slade
    Lincoln City - Danny Cowley
    Luton Town - Nathan Jones
    Mansfield Town - Steve Evans
    Morcambe - Jim Bentley
    Newport County - Mike Flynn
    Notts County - Kevin Nolan
    Port Vale - Michael Brown
    Swindon Town - David Flitcroft
    Stevenage - Darren Sarll
    Wycombe Wanderers - Gareth Ainsworth
    Yeovil Town - Darren Way

    31st August - Justin Edinburgh (Northampton Town, sacked) League One

    11th September - Frank de Boer (Crystal Palace, sacked) Premier League
    16th September - Harry Redknapp (Birmingham City, sacked) Championship
    16th September - Michael Brown (Port Vale, sacked) League Two
    16th September - Gary Caldwell (Chesterfield, sacked) League Two
    25th September - Ady Pennock (Gillingham, sacked*) League One
    25th September - John Sheridan (Oldham Athletic, sacked) League One

    Sacked: 7 (1 "mutual consent")

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  2. Phoenix

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    Looking forward to see what Huddersfield Town and Brighton & Hove Albion can do in the Premier League this upcoming season.

    Also, it should be quite interesting to follow the transfers in and out in the summer.
     
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    Same here. Brighton very nearly beat a team of Newcastle's quality so have a great base. With Hughton in charge, I can see them staying up. Huddersfield will definitely be an interesting story with their first Premier League season.
     
  4. MUSC4EVER

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    Wenger agrees new deal at Arsenal and announcement to be made tomorrow.

    I also posted this in the old thread, didn't know this thread had been set up...
     
  5. Vegard

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    BVB has fired Thomas Tuchel!
     
  6. adamp93

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    You're already building up a backlog, Wolves have sacked Paul Lambert.
     
  7. Famine

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    And Paul Cook has left Portsmouth, promoted to League One, to manage Wigan, relegated to League One...
     
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    Real Madrid have reportedly made a £60 million bid for David De Gea which was swiftly rejected by Man United, my opinion? For that sort of money I would've accepted it!

    Interesting to see how De Gea reacts to this...
     
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    De Gea was one of the two main reasons United won two cups last year. I'm not sure the club could put a price on him right now - and who could they possibly replace him with?
     
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    With Manchester City paying 45 for the young unproven keeper and Real Madrid paying 40 for a 16 year old I find 60 quite insulting.
     
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    For some weird reason, I am seeing reports linking Tuchel to Southampton. No joke.

    Although, St Etienne have released a statement saying their preferred choice is already at a current club.
     
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    There have been some rumours about Kasper Schmeichel, but I don't believe Leicester City will let him go so easily.
     
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    He's not that good, really. He's certainly a solid keeper and I wouldn't mind him in my goal, but I'd not rate him in the top five in Europe (or even the Premier League, I think), whereas I would put De Gea there.
     
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    That's a point, I think Sergio Romero could be their sub choice if De Gea leaves. Unless they plan to spend tons of pounds just for a new keeper.
     
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    Seems United have cooled their interest in Antione Griezmann, this comes after Atletico lost their appeal at the Court of Arbitration over their transfer ban, meaning they cant register any players until 2018, meaning they cant replace Griezmann if he goes.

    Darren Fletcher joins Stoke on a two-year deal.

    Yaya Toure has just signed a new one-year deal at Man City.
     
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    Crazy.
     
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  17. Vegard

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    He only played 3 EL games so I think you're stretching it a bit.
    I think filthy is a more apt description.
     
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    And bollocks.

    Aside from being actually wrong (Bayern, for example, got the same money as Sunderland, allowing for exchange rate foibles), it's also inaccurately worded, as the bulk of Sunderland's money came from being in the Premier League, regardless of its finishing position.

    Sunderland got £1.9m for finishing last in the Premier League.
    Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for winning the Bundesliga - close to the £38.8m Chelsea got for winning the Premier League.

    Sunderland got another £91.5m in television money. £35m for a 1/20th share of domestic TV money, £39m for a 1/20th share of foreign television money, £4.8m for a 1/20th share of the commercial rights and the minimum fee of £12.4m for televised games. They got that for being in the Premier League, not for finishing last in it - every club got that (Hull, Burnley, Swansea and Stoke got the same) and some a great deal more because they were on television more.

    Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for their last five years' performances in Bundesliga, another €39m (£34m) for winning it this year and €30m (£26m) from its 1/18th share of the TV money. That's £94m in total, which is more or less the same as Sunderland, but £78m of that came from the club's performance and only £26m for being in that league.


    Still, next year's TV money for the Bundesliga will increase 85% thanks to a new deal.
     
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    Doesn't it state all the above in the spreadsheet, though? Exchange rate point is fair game. :tup:
     
  20. Famine

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    It states some of it, which is why it's curious he's gone for the inaccurate angle when he's then posted why it's inaccurate. If he's just saying that Sunderland's £94m all-in is more than Bayern's £34m for winning, well duh. It's also more than the £39m Chelsea got for winning, but apples to apples and all that.

    It's inaccurate to say Sunderland got £94m for finishing last, when it got £1.9m for finishing last. £94m is all of its performance and prize money added together, so it's then wrong to say that Sunderland's £94m payments for the season is more than Bayern Munich got, when they got the same for all of its performance and prize money added together.

    I haven't looked at Italy or France, but since Italy's prize pot gives €22m to each club, €27m to the winning team (and top 3), an average of €14m per club for historic results and another average of €14m by the club's base support and population, I'd be very surprised if Juventus was below £94m.


    Edit: I looked into Italy. Juventus got €16m for 1/20th equal share domestic, €6 for 1/20th equal share overseas, €22.5 for historic results, €50m for club popularity and €27m for a top three place, adding up to €122m, or £106m. So... nope on the Juventus claim as well.
     
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  21. Vegard

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    Which is a bit crazy, wouldn't you agree?
     
  22. Famine

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    Not really. The bulk of the money came from television rights and, very specifically, overseas television rights.

    The Premier League has very successfully marketed itself as the best/most exciting league in the world (which it isn't, but that's for another day) and people in countries across the world want to watch it, so the rights to the games are sold for huge money to broadcasters who will then charge a decent sum for syndication.

    The Bundesliga has not.

    I know exactly where to watch a Premier League game if I choose to. I honestly couldn't tell you where I could watch a Bundesliga game. Or a Serie A game. Or even a La Liga game (I think... think that Sky has some, but it might be BT Sport). The new TV deal for the Bundesliga might change that.


    To be honest, I hope something knocks the Premier League off its wealthy pedestal, because the national team is dying on its arse while clubs are routinely spending £40m without thinking about it on five-year old French strikers who had a reasonable season playing against 12 teams I've never heard of in the Surinam Third Division instead of bringing English players through - and our lower league game is being slowly throttled to death.
     
  23. adamp93

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    If Sunderland got a total of £94m when finishing last why is the Championship play off final described as the '£200m game'?
     
  24. Vegard

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    Because playing in the Premiership boosts other income streams as well as the direct prize and performance money from the PL and the TV deals.
     
  25. Famine

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    The Premier League pays relegated teams for three years after they are relegated (two years if they only survive one season), called Parachute Payments.

    For the season just passed, Newcastle, Norwich and Villa - relegated last year - got £41m. QPR - relegated after one season in 2014-15 - got £30m for their second and final payment. Reading, Cardiff, Fulham and Wigan got £16m.

    A team promoted to the Premier League and tben relegated can thus expect a minimum of £94m + £41m + £30m from the Premier League alone, with an additional £1m for each additional place or each televised game.
     
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    The first pillar out of the Ajax structure seems to be leaving already.

    Manager Peter Bosz is on his way to Borussia Dortmund, deal should be done within 48 hours.
     
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    I wonder if he'll take any of the Ajax players with him...
     
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    I'd be surprised to find he doesn't take at least 1 or 2.
     
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    Michael Carrick testimonial taking place at Old Trafford, here's the teams

    Man United 2008 XI

    Van Der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic , Evra, Fletcher, Carrick (c), Scholes, Giggs, Rooney.

    Subs, G.Neville, Silvestre, Berbatov, G.Carrick, Saha, Hargreaves.

    Manager: Sir Alex Ferguson.

    Michael Carrick All-Stars XI

    Given, Salgado, Carragher, Terry (c), Abidal, Seedorf, Senna, Mendieta, Duff, Owen, Keane.

    Subs, Bruce, Capdevila, P.Neville, Garcia, Sinclair, Gudjohnsen

    Manager: Harry Redknapp.
     
  30. m8h3r

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    That's probably still a half decent side, for 60 minutes anyway.