2017/18 Premier League & General Football Discussion

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Are transfer fees out of control?

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  1. mustafur

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    Thats now though, Champions league money is tiny compared to the Premier league already(and the english teams make way more then the other nations clubs as well in the CL), Money will win the long game if you can earn 5 times more playing football in England compared to Germany and Spain it's going to go towards money most times, a football career isn't long in the scheme of things and once they retire they are unlikely to make anywhere near that kind of money again, so it's always in the back of the mind of the players.
     
  2. Liquid

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    No they didn't. They got £1.9 million for finishing 20th. The other £96 million is from additional TV and associated commerical revenue.

    The team that finished 20th earnt £98 million, sure, but they didn't get it for finishing 20th.
     
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    Premier LEague Prize money.jpg

    West Brom literally got the minimum Payout of 94.6 Million pounds, as they had less then 10 Live TV games and came last.
     
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  4. Mike Rotch

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    Tactically astute, with Sevilla showed he can craft results out of a team of good, but not exceptional players, and has some experience managing huge egos.

    Arteta is promising but far too inexperienced at this stage, same with Vieira or Henry.
     
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  5. daan

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    West Ham players are more likely to be manatees.
     
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  6. Famine

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    Six and Leicester. You can't really rule out a club getting a Champions League spot off the back of one ridiculous season any more. And there'll be two teams who played in the Champions League playing in the Championship this year - only because Blackburn, who won the league title 20 years ago, got promoted back to it.
    West Ham got Lanzini (25) and Payet (31), although Payet's subsequent tantrum at West Ham not being big enough is kind of indicative.


    But I think it's worse than that. The Premier League money is self-destructive. Teams have to spend a fortune to survive - and even if they do spend a fortune they might not. Swansea spent £70m on players this year and went down. £20m of that went on a forward from West Ham who's scored an average of 8 goals a year across his entire career, and who Swansea already sold for £20m to West Ham a bit over a year before. Meanwhile they sold a player to Everton for £45m. An Icelandic player. Everton spent as much money in 2017 on an Icelandic midfielder as Real Madrid spent on Zinedine Zidane in 2001 - or Barcelona spent on Neymar in 2013.

    As they have to spend to survive, they don't play their kids - they want proven international players. If they're even developing their kids, they get farmed out to lower league sides on loan; Chelsea's Tammy Abraham almost made the England squad on the strength of 30 games for Swansea (and that off the back of 40 games from Bristol City). Meanwhile our clubs are hurling money at foreign clubs for their younger players, who are getting game time (and then we're giving them more game time), which the clubs then feed back into developing their younger players.

    Sure, our kids are winning international trophies at U17-U23 level, but it doesn't translate to the full England team. The U20 World Cup winning team has 200 Premier League appearances between them (9.5 each) including substitute appearances, and half of those are Lewis Cook and Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Bournemouth and Everton). Then you get exceptions like Marcus Rashford and, since him, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Trent Alexander-Arnold. "We" pile all the pressure onto them as the next Rooney/Owen/Beckham/Gazza, they don't succeed and "we" rip them apart.

    And it's not just kids - Premier League leading clubs don't even play their English players. There's 418 possible starting positions in the league each season. The number of English starts for the champions over the last few years looks like this:
    2018 - Manchester City - 112 (26.8%)
    2017 - Chelsea - 42 (10.0%)
    2016 - Leicester City - 136 (32.5%)
    2015 - Chelsea - 73 (17.5%)
    2014 - Manchester City - 79 (18.9%)
    2013 - Manchester United - 182 (43.5%)
    2012 - Manchester City - 150 (35.9%)

    Anyone want to guess the proportion of German players starting for Bayern Munich's various titles?
    2018 - Bayern Munich - 194 (51.8%)
    2017 - Bayern Munich - 138 (36.9%)
    2016 - Bayern Munich - 173 (46.3%)
    2015 - Bayern Munich - 157 (41.9%)


    The net result of that is regular World/European Cup semi-finals for the nations we buy players from and group stage/first knockout round for us. So basically we need my 40% rule again.
     
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    So, what you are saying is that you need more players with double barreled names? It's a double whammy (pun intended) too as the club gets more money when they sell a shirt with the player's name(s) on it.
     
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    I think Serie A has a good rule now that went into effect a couple years ago as far as roster restrictions. Although it does not specify nationalities, it does lead to more Italian nationals on the rosters. Each team's 25 man roster must include four "homegrown" players and four "club-trained" players.

    - A "homegrown" player is defined as someone who spent three years between the ages of 15 and 21 at any Italian club's youth system, 1st team squad or out on loan.
    - A "club-trained" player is defined as someone who spent three years between the ages of 15 and 21 at the current club's youth system, 1st team squad or out on loan.
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  9. Crazy Taylor

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    Outside the top six is the more likely option where our young players will come from for england. City don't really use theirs, as do Utd. Liverpool only really have Arnold. Chelsea is just a loan farm, with not many English players. Tottenham is the best bet for young English talent with the the likes of Walker Peters and Onomah et al.

    With Everton (some of) our young English players have had plenty of game time. Here shows the number of appearances for young (English) players.
    • Dom Calvert Lewin 31 games
    • Tom Davies 28 games
    • Jonjoe Kenny 19 games
    • Benni Baningime 8 games
    • Adamola Lookman 7 games (loaned out to Leipzig)
    Special mention to Kieran Dowell who went on loan to Forest who made 38 appearances. Dowell, DCL, Kenny and Lookman were U20 W/C winners.
     
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    Indeed, or even lower - Middlesbrough and Charlton both have a couple of kids in the U17-U20 setups. And we've got George Hirst, at least for now, as his dad argues with whoever he was arguing with.

    But money talks. With the cash on the table, the top clubs don't have the first-team time for players. They earn £1.9m for each position up the table and £1.1m for each TV game after the 10th game, so they need results and exposure right now. They'll just spend £40m buying a 22-year old who's had a couple of decent seasons in the Bundesliga, La Liga, Ligue 1 or Serie A (or someone who did well at the World Cup/Euro Championship) - anyone with an exciting name to get on TV.

    Then the next season the German, French, Spanish and Italian teams, who have thrust the huge transfer incomes at their own youth setups, have new 22-year olds who've had a couple of decent seasons. Or done well at an international tournament (not you, Italy), and it carries on.


    I always find it fascinating that we accept the hugely multicultural nature of the Premier League (and Championship), but are absolutely amazed when an English player goes abroad. We all got interested in Japanese football when Lineker - who'd played for Barcelona - went to Nagoya Grampus Eight. Italian football only became a thing on British TV when Gazza went to Lazio. MLS only got into our news when Beckham went to LA Galaxy. Right now we've got Lookman at Liepzig and Sancho at Borussia Dortmund, while Manchester City alone have three full internationals for other nations aged 23 or under.
     
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    All kicking off in Naples, Sarri has left Napoli and Ancelotti is set to take his place, Sarri could be Chelsea bound.

    Sunderland look set to appoint St Mirren's Jack Ross as they're new manager.
     
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    Emery is growing on me. His presser was impressive today and really ballsy to speak in English. He has his work cut out for him, but with him Sanelhi and Mislintat -- things are looking positive. Excited for a new season finally. Need a decent transfer market mind.
     
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    This is the last weekend of the season. Only four games, but there are all pretty massive!

    Saturday

    Championship Play-Off Final
    Aston Villa v Fulham (5pm Sky)

    Champions League Final
    Real Madrid v Liverpool (7.45 BT)

    Sunday

    League One Play-Off Final
    Rotherham v Shrewsbury (3pm Sky)

    Monday

    League Two Play-Off Final
    Coventry v Exeter (3pm Sky)
     
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    Big Congratulations to Fulham who will be playing Premier League Football next season, they beat Aston Villa 0-1 in a good and hotly contested PL final, The only goal was a very nice finish by Tom Cairney with a lovely assist by Ryan Sessegnon.

    Fulham had Dennis Odoi sent off for a reckless challenge on Jack Grealish, who they targeted throughout the match with several fouls on him, it was all Fulham in the first half with Villa pressing at the start of the second, Villa didn't really do much with the extra man, Fulham deserve to go up IMO. :tup:
     
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    So when will Fulham be playing at Wembley (in the league)?
     
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    I would rather Shrewsbury womn promotion toaday. More of a lesser team being promoted to The Champiomship. Kind of like Burton Albion and Perterborough in recent times.
     
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    Final game of the season today. L2 play-off final.
     
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    Lampard agrees in principal to manage Derby.
     
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    Quite an emphatic win for Coventry winning 3-1, Exeter's consolation came in the 89th minute, Coventry in League One next season.
     
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    *New Thread:* 2018/19 Premier League & General Football Discussion

    With the season over, commiserations to Sunderland and Chesterfield who have now suffered back-to-back last-place relegation finishes.

    Just some final housekeeping to do before this thread is done:

    16th May - David Moyes (West Ham United, contract expiration) Premier League
    18th May - Carlos Carvahal (Swansea City, contract expiration) Premier League
    18th May - Paul Lambert (Stoke City, sacked) Premier League
    22nd May - Gary Rowett (Derby County, leaves for Stoke City) Championship

    Sacked: 44
    Resigned: 3
    Demoted: 2
    Approaches: 5
    Contract Expirations: 4

    Total: 58

    DIVISION AND CUP WINNERS

    PREMIER LEAGUE

    2017/18 Champions: Manchester City

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    CHAMPIONSHIP

    2017/18 Champions: Wolverhampton Wanderers

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    LEAGUE ONE

    2017/18 Champions: Wigan Athletic

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    LEAGUE TWO

    2017/18 Champions: Accrington Stanley

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    ENGLISH SUPER CUP

    2017/18 Winners: Arsenal

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    FA CUP

    2017/18 Winners: Chelsea

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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE CUP

    2017/18 Winners: Manchester City


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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY

    2017/18 Winners: Lincoln City

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    FINAL MANAGER WATCH

    A log of all managerial departures from the top 92 because sackings are all too quick to happen these days.

    Arsenal - Arsene Wenger
    Bouremouth - Eddie Howe
    Brighton & Hove Albion - Chris Hughton
    Burnley - Sean Dyche
    Chelsea - Antonio Conte
    Crystal Palace - Frank de Boer
    Everton - Ronald Koeman
    Huddersfield Town - David Wagner
    Leicester City - Craig Shakespeare
    Liverpool - Jürgen Klopp
    Manchester City - Josep Guardiola
    Manchester United - Jose Mourinho
    Newcastle United - Rafael Benitez
    Southampton - ]Mauricio Pellegrino
    Stoke City - Mark Hughes
    Swansea City - Paul Clement
    Tottenham Hotspur - Mauricio Pochettino
    Watford - Marco Silva
    West Bromwich Albion - Tony Pulis
    West Ham United - Slaven Billic

    Aston Villa - Steve Bruce
    Barnsley - Paul Heckingbottom
    Birmingham City - Harry Redknapp
    Bolton Wanderers - Phil Parkinson
    Brentford - Dean Smith
    Bristol City - Lee Johnson
    Burton Albion - Nigel Clough
    Cardiff City - Neil Warnock
    Derby County - Gary Rowett
    Fulham - Slaviša Jokanović
    Hull City - Leonid Slutsky
    Ipswich Town - Mick McCarthy
    Leeds United - Thomas Christiansen
    Middlesbrough - Garry Monk
    Millwall - Neil Harris
    Norwich City - Daniel Farke
    Nottingham Forest - Mark Warbuton
    Preston North End - Alex Neill
    Queen's Park Rangers - Ian Holloway
    Reading - Jaap Stam
    Sheffield Wednesday - Carlos Carvahal
    Sheffield United - Chris Wilder
    Sunderland - Simon Grayson
    Wolverhampton Wanderers - Nuno Santo

    Blackburn Rovers - Tony Mowbray
    Blackpool - Gary Bowyer
    Bradford City - Stuart McCall
    Bristol Rovers - Darrell Clarke
    Bury - Lee Clark
    Charlton Athletic - Karl Robinson
    Doncaster Rovers - Darren Ferguson
    Fleetwood Town - Uwe Rösler
    Gillingham - Ady Pennock
    Milton Keynes Dons - Robbie Neilson
    Northampton Town - Justin Edinburgh
    Oldham Athletic - John Sheridan
    Oxford United - Josep Clotet
    Peterborough United - Grant McCann
    Portsmouth - Kenny Jackett
    Plymouth Argyle - Derek Adams
    Rochdale - Keith Hill
    Rotherham United - Paul Warne
    Scunthorpe United - Graham Alexander
    Shrewsbury Town - Paul Hurst
    Southend United - Phil Brown
    Walsall - Jon Whitney
    Wigan Athletic - Paul Cook
    Wimbledon - Neil Ardley

    Accrington Stanley - John Coleman
    Barnet - Rossi Eames
    Cambridge United - Shaun Derry
    Carlisle United - Keith Curle
    Cheltenham Town - Gary Johnson
    Chesterfield - Gary Caldwell
    Colchester United - John McGreal
    Coventry City - Mark Robins
    Crawley Town - Harry Kewell
    Crewe Alexandra - Dave Artell
    Exeter City - Paul Tisdale
    Forest Green Rovers - Mark Cooper
    Grimsby Town - Russell Slade
    Lincoln City - Danny Cowley
    Luton Town - Nathan Jones
    Mansfield Town - Steve Evans
    Morcambe - Jim Bentley
    Newport County - Mike Flynn
    Notts County - Kevin Nolan
    Port Vale - Michael Brown
    Swindon Town - David Flitcroft
    Stevenage - Darren Sarll
    Wycombe Wanderers - Gareth Ainsworth
    Yeovil Town - Darren Way

    31st August - Justin Edinburgh (Northampton Town, sacked) League One

    11th September - Frank de Boer (Crystal Palace, sacked) Premier League
    16th September - Harry Redknapp (Birmingham City, sacked) Championship
    16th September - Michael Brown (Port Vale, sacked) League Two
    16th September - Gary Caldwell (Chesterfield, sacked) League Two
    25th September - Ady Pennock (Gillingham, resigned) League One
    25th September - John Sheridan (Oldham Athletic, sacked) League One

    17th October - Craig Shakespeare (Leicester City, sacked) Premier League
    23rd October - Ronald Koeman (Everton, sacked) Premier League
    30th October - Lee Clark (Bury, sacked) League One
    31st October - Simon Grayson (Sunderland, sacked) Championship

    6th November - Slaven Billic (West Ham United, sacked) Premier League
    13th November - Rossi Eames (Barnet, demoted) League Two
    20th November - Tony Pulis (West Bromwich Albion, sacked) Premier League

    3rd December - Leonid Slutsky (Hull City, resigned) Championship
    20th December - Paul Clement (Swansea City, sacked) Premier League
    23rd December - Garry Monk (Middlesbrough, sacked) Championship
    24th December - Carlos Carvahal (Sheffield Wednesday, sacked) Championship
    31st December - Mark Warburton (Nottingham Forest, sacked) Championship

    6th January - Mark Hughes (Stoke City, sacked) Premier League
    16th January - Chris Lucketti (Bury, sacked) League One
    16th January - Mark McGhee (Barnet, demoted) League Two
    17th January - Phil Brown (Southend United, sacked) League One
    20th January - Robbie Neilson (Milton Keynes Dons, sacked) League One
    21st January - Josep Clotet (Oxford United, sacked) League One
    22nd January - Marco Silva (Watford, sacked) Premier League

    4th February - Thomas Christiansen (Leeds United, sacked) Championship
    5th February - Stuart McCall (Bradford City, sacked) League One
    6th February - Paul Heckingbottom (Barnsley, leaves for Leeds United) Championship
    9th February - Shaun Derry (Cambridge United, sacked) League Two
    11th February - Russell Slade (Grimsby Town, sacked) League Two
    17th February - Uwe Rösler (Fleetwood Town, sacked) League One
    25th February - Grant McCann (Peterborough United, sacked) League One
    27th February - Steve Evans (Mansfield Town, leaves for Peterborough United) League Two

    1st March - David Flitcroft (Swindon Town, leaves for Mansfield Town) League Two
    3rd March - Steve Cotterill (Birmingham City, sacked) Championship
    12th March - Jon Whitney (Walsall, sacked) League One
    12th March - Mauricio Pellegrino (Southampton, sacked) Premier League
    18th March - Darren Sarll (Stevenage, sacked) League Two
    19th March - Graham Westley (Barnet, sacked) League Two
    21st March - Jaap Stam (Reading, sacked) Championship
    22nd March - Karl Robinson (Charlton Athletic, leaves for Oxford United) League One
    24th March - Graham Alexander (Scunthorpe United, sacked) League One

    2nd April - Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (Northampton Town, sacked) League One
    10th April - Mick McCarthy (Ipswich Town, sacked) Championship
    22nd April - Dan Micciche (Milton Keynes Dons, sacked) League One
    23rd April - Jack Lester (Chesterfield, sacked) League Two
    29th April - Chris Coleman (Sunderland, sacked) Championship

    8th May - Keith Curle (Carlisle United, contract expiration) League Two
    6th May - Jose Morais (Barnsley, sacked) Championship
    8th May - Simon Grayson (Bradford City, contract expiration) League One
    10th May - Martin Allen (Barnet, sacked) League Two
    10th May - Ian Holloway (Queen's Park Rangers, resigned) Championship
    16th May - Sam Allerdyce (Everton, sacked) Premier League
    16th May - David Moyes (West Ham United, contract expiration) Premier League
    18th May - Carlos Carvahal (Swansea City, contract expiration) Premier League
    18th May - Paul Lambert (Stoke City, sacked) Premier League
    22nd May - Gary Rowett (Derby County, leaves for Stoke City) Championship

    Sacked: 44
    Resigned: 3
    Demoted: 2
    Approaches: 5
    Contract Expirations: 4

    Total: 58
     
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