2018 VTB Russian Grand PrixFormula 1 

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BrainsBush
I want to see replays of that Vet vs Ham overtaking. Was Vettels move legit?

Yep finally a good strategy of Ferrari and then the driver missed his break point while under pressure and did some strange moves. Other drivers get penalties for that....
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It looked like he moved twice.
He moved to the right before hammy got close, and then he moved further right when hammy was right behind
 
I agree. Let them race. Yeah, rules are rules, but let them race. One overtake last year? Max just upped the stocks of this race single-handed... err, with both hands on the wheel.
 
And I wouldn't be surprised if Grosjean gets a penalty for his move against Sainz
 
Team orders for Bottas 👎👎👎
 
Disgusting
 
Lewis has a "blister"

Sure.
 
Hamilton giving the position back on the last lap isn't out of the question. With Verstappen there Mercedes couldn't risk Vettel getting past Hamilton. If it's secure, they could swap
 
Max is on tyres 15 laps older than the guys behind and a car with a whole lot less power down the long straights yet he is keeping them behind. My driver of the day vote is already decided.
 
Lizard
Max is on tyres 15 laps older than the guys behind and a car with a whole lot less power down the long straights yet he is keeping them behind. My driver of the day vote is already decided.
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If someone thinks he's not driver of the day, he's wrong
 
Slapped
Sorry guys, but wasn‘t it obvious.

Bottas didn‘t have the pace, and was holding Hamilton up and putting him into the claws of Vettel.

It was a totally correct tactical decision.
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Tactically, yes. But still ethically wrong.
 
Wasn't there a rule that prohibites the team orders? Or Mercedes are just too good that rules doesn't apply for them?
 
Flaren89
Wasn't there a rule that prohibites the team orders? Or Mercedes are just too good that rules doesn't apply for them?
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That rule was removed a few years ago
 
PaMu1337
But still ethically wrong.
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Why?


Didn't hear anyone complaining when the two Force Indias swapped under team orders...
 
Famine
Why?
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Because this is racing. If Lewis is actually faster, he should overtake Bottas. If he can't, but Vettel can pass him, that means Lewis simply isn't fast enough. (Maybe ethically is the wrong word here, but it is a nasty thing to do to both Bottas and the viewers)
 
PaMu1337
Tactically, yes. But still ethically wrong.
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Team sport.

You make decisions based on what's good for the team.

If the rear gunner is more vulnerable, switch cars so you have the car with the better defense in front of your rival.

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Totally sucks, but hey, that's how F1 works.

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Amazing how Max is still pacing these guys on tires that are a dozen laps older.
 
niky
Amazing how Max is still pacing these guys on tires that are a dozen laps older.
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Mercedes already realised that Ferrari isn't a threat anymore and just match Max' pace.
 
Riccy had front wing damage for half the race?
 
Max has about 10 laps on his new ultra's or hypers (?) to find about 11/12 seconds.
Is it possible to overtake Raikonen just before the finish line?

Is that front wing damage of Daniel an explanation for the enormous gap with Max?
 
Awesome commentary by Hulkenberg :lol:
 
PaMu1337
Because this is racing.
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And team orders are part of racing.

There's nothing unethical about it. They're allowed to do it. Part of a team sport is playing for the best interests of the team rather than the individual. In this case it's to bring the team another pair of trophies, rather than just one.
PaMu1337
If Lewis is actually faster, he should overtake Bottas. If he can't, but Vettel can pass him, that means Lewis simply isn't fast enough.
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The thing with F1 cars is they're a nightmare in dirty air thanks to the over-reliance on aerodynamics. Once you're within 0.75s, there is a significant loss of performance - the engine doesn't have to work as hard to push through the air, so there's a gain in straight line speed, but everything else drops off. If you're following into a braking zone, your brakes are less effective. If you're following in a corner, you have less grip. This causes a huge amount of additional wear on tyres - not to mention the reduction in cooling (F1 cars do not have cooling fans; they need high speed cold air on the rads).

A car has to be significantly faster within a given part of the field in order to follow closely enough to create the chance to overtake. Otherwise it just wears the tyres and overheats the engine, and greatly increases the chance of mechanical failure or loss of control.

If one car is marginally faster than another, passing is extremely difficult, even if it's your teammate and he won't fight you. It's not in Mercedes' interests to have the car most able to take the drivers' title following behind the second car if it would be capable of going faster without that car in front of it.


The Force Indias swapped positions because the differing strategies meant the following car was theoretically faster than the leading car and more capable of overtaking the next car up the road. They've since swapped back (like Hamilton did at the Hungaroring, a move he was widely berated for) because it didn't happen.
 
Max here we go again. Unleash that lion. 13/14 seconds is possible
 
It's amazing that we know F1 is a team sport, Bottas has said he'll be a rear gunner now he's out the championship and still people are surprised by the most obvious radio call ever.
 
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