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Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Dennisch, Oct 12, 2018.
After playing the track in f1 2020 my team, i hated it so much that i simmed the race. F that place.
If turns 15-19 were redone so the section didn't feel so off-rhythm and claustrophobic, it'd go a long way to making the circuit more tolerable. Not good mind you, but at least it wouldn't feel like it was trying to outdo Baku's castle corner in the "get it right or die" competition.
That said, it's a dubious honor for a track to be officially added to the schedule and then removed without actually ever being raced on.
Portugal's probably very nice in late April, and it's right next to Spain... just a thought as a replacement for Hanoi.
Wasn't Port Imperial another track in that category?
They never fully built it. Hanoi is sat there perfectly ready to host a Grand Prix, something not many other circuits have been like before.
I can't think of any other close examples yet. Autopolis was built for F1 but it never had a contract. Zhuhai's F1 contract fell apart when it failed the FIA inspection. That's about it off the top of my head.
Reads like a wish list for GT7.
Talks about Albert Park being resurfaced after next year, to spice up the racing.
I have to imagine that it's Albert Park or bust for Australia in the immediate future as there isn't another FIA Grade 1 circuit. Adelaide is gone and I can't imagine they would be working on another circuit there, right?
Let's not kid ourselves here...
Stop talking sense.
Was Imola that great? I'm not sure it was extremely good. Portimao? Definitely.
Tailem Bend, in South Australia, is the newest permanent circuit. There's Circuit Italia that's been approved, but it won't be Grade 1.
And Adelaide since hosting is now a Grade 3. Tailem Bend is Grade 2 (as is Surfer's Paradise and Sydney Motorsport). I'm not sure how much it costs to move up from Grade 2 to Grade 1 either.
The original Grand Prix layout wouldn’t be possible due to a new bus tunnel exiting on East Terrace and the new median strip installed at what was Turns 7-8.
A bad race at Imola vs a Bad race at Abu Dhabi, Sochi, Jeddah
I still don't know why Moto GP can race at Phillip Island, but it's not approved for F1. I can only guess, there'd probably need to be a significant amount of paved surfaces, added to corners.
Would've liked to see Mugello, Imola, or Portimao come back. "Trash races" or not, I thought they were worthy of making another visit.
Portimao? Definitely. Imola? Well, it's not really built for F1 today. Mugello? That one I'd pass on.
FIM and FIA are two different organisations. What they do and do not deem safe is subjective to their own leaderships.
I do love Imola as a track but I have to agree that F1 has outgrown it; the cars are too wide and the Villeneuve chicane is terrible.
Portimão and Mugello were great though. Yes, even Mugello. Would be awesome to have them back next year.
Car width isn’t a problem. From 1978 until 1992, the cars were wider than they are now yet the cars could race less than a car length apart for an entire lap. The issue is the length, weight, and downforce. Overtaking issues are directly correlated to those three factors. That’s why on-track action continued to fall throughout the 90s as the cars got narrower; the aero got too complex, the cars became heavier and longer which made them less agile.
Excess length means you have to commit to a line earlier (meaning you can’t be as bold under braking), excess weight means the cars are less agile (meaning you can’t be as aggressive on corner entry), and excess downforce means dirty air makes the cars too unstable at speed when they’re too close. Creating the unholy trifecta of cars that can’t follow closely, can’t adjust their line in a corner, or be aggressive with each other.
Width is probably the least important factor. If anything, a wider car is EASIER to overtake with because it’s more stable meaning you can push harder both on the throttle and on the brakes.
I dig Imola. Was awesome when Button finished 2nd in the Honda.
There's the word though, "was" - not "is",
I was a big fan of BAR Honda back in the day(still have my BAR Honda cap, jacket and the knapsack they came in). That's really the last F1 race that sticks in my head at that circuit.
The European GT4 races, at Imola, this year, "were" awesome to watch. However, they "are" still awesome, when I rewatch them on YouTube.
Anyway, I haven't been watching this year's F1 races. So, I can't comment if every race was exciting, regardless of the type of circuit over another.
That was the last race at Imola until this year.
Well you can't compare F1 and GT4; apples and oranges.
I didn't compare them. It's a wink at the end.
Albert Park is just a Street circuit with a few permanent facilities, if another city wanted to they could pull off something similar imo.
If the tram wasn't built, Newcastle could work. Make a chicane at T1 and have the cars continue down the forshore and turn left at Merewhether Street. Make another left onto Hunter Street. Run to Watt Street and turn right up Watt Street. Follow the Supercars track back to the foreshore.
Anyway, there's only room for one "Monaco".
If by "Monaco" you mean a race weekend propped up by glitz glamour and huge amounts of cash rather than the merits of the actual racing, then I think you'll find the FIA thinks there is room for 6 or 7.
Don't crucify me, I actually like Monaco, it's just a joke.
Hush now. Please. No more talk about street circuits. Someone might start to think that they're a good idea*
*for single seaters. I actually think they work pretty well for touring cars.