450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

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This is just my kind of race!
I doubt I will win any races but I will have fun driving my favorite cars!
 
aok... concepts were generally frowned upon for a while now. the ft86 dominated early in the series.

and my silvia is the white two tone. since i lost my save, i really dont have any cool colors to change it to. maybe ill paint the wheels something interesting to set it off.
 
Tonite;

Lord of the Ring continues on the Nurb 24hr course:

450pp - no car restriction
Sport Softs
Damage: Low, Penalties: Low

Up around 9:30 EDT. Will post Room #.
 
i should be on... probably later... and testing my theme car again.
 
RockinVs
i should be on... probably later... and testing my theme car again.
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count me in! im testing my Sylvia tonight too!

I had fun last night, best race i had was in Rome, for the first time i finish 8th place! trying to catch up with Esh and Chuyler :lol:
the freaking predictive text is just annoying, all i wanted to say was how hard it is to control grip with CS tires and its thinking im swearing! :crazy:

i think i tried 8-9 cars until i settled with a Honda Civic Type R 04 hatchback and an Audi TT for last night race as most of my cars were burning rubber too much and just damn twitchy!
 
oh no! more testing out in the open!

i need to add you to my friends list sio-xie
 
Great battle at Deep Forest Reverse.

Osprey's Ram was very quick, but when he finally passed me on lap 4 he took turn 1 extremely slow and it allowed Nic to get by me as well. I held back a few times on the rest of lap 4. Both of them had crazy speed out of the final turn of lap 4 and I'm not sure I got any of their draft. I'll have to work on my suspension to get more speed on that turn. However they were slow again through turn 1 and that allowed me to catch up entering the tunnel. I gave Osprey a few bumps for speed to get him past Nic. Then a hole opened up between them so I floored it and went through. I hit the brakes early for the next turn but Osprey locked up his brakes and went wide. Nic and I rubbed fenders when I turned in for the next apex but after the apex I had the right line for the next turn so he backed off. Coming up on the final turn, I had no idea where Nic was so I just took my usual line. After watching the replay it looks like he was doing pretty well with his outside line and I may have pushed him out. After that, I forced Osprey to give me a little bump before he went way inside to draft pass. I edged him out by what looks to be a foot.

 
RotaryFreak
count me in! im testing my Sylvia tonight too!

I had fun last night, best race i had was in Rome, for the first time i finish 8th place! trying to catch up with Esh and Chuyler :lol:
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I had fun at Rome once my car warmed up. I watched the replay and lots of cars were glitchy (flickering gas pedals). I made a bunch of mistakes on the first lap but that put me in the middle of the pack where I fought my way through. Secret to that kink is to brake early and coast through. It will allow you to get on the gas early, maximizing your exit speed and your top speed down the straight. Prior to the kink, there really isn't a passing zone. You cannot run 2-wide through any of that first sector without slowing down to a crawl or trading copious amounts of paint. Best bet is to go single file and make a pass after the kink using the draft.

I really enjoy comfort soft tires. With the wheel, you get so much more feedback and can adjust the car and slide a little without causing a spectacular crash. My Mazdaspeed6 is typically slow at 450pp on SS tires. It doesn't have much power for its weight. However last night I was placing well on the grid because I could run clean lines and maximize exit speeds. I was also short shifting to stay in the powerband, something I had never tried before in that car.
 
RockinVs
oh no! more testing out in the open!

i need to add you to my friends list sio-xie
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just trying to be competitive with you guys! 👍

add me up anytime! :)
 
stupid truck :D

the race at gve-r was close too.. maybe even closer. i did hit you on the hairpin huyler, apologies for that.
 
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Still trying to learn how to drive with the wheel. Can definitely feel something when it starts oversteering (HSR in the wet was good for that), but I'm still trying to figure out how to save it from going into the inside wall. I'm thinking a quick countersteer with the gas off and then resume steering in the same direction or something like that? Any tips?
 
esoxhntr
stupid truck :D
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How much does that Ram weigh? I find it hard to believe suspension tuning could allow something that weighs close to 2400kg to carry the same speed through a turn as something weighing 1500kg.
 
you just gotta get a feel for it fatrab.

i had the ram tuned to oversteer on purpose, on hairpins i turn in, straighten the wheels and hit gas. the oversteer does the turning for me. quickest way around corners for that vehicle.

huyler, race spec was 2000kg, 420hp
 
fatrab
Still trying to learn how to drive with the wheel. Can definitely feel something when it starts oversteering (HSR in the wet was good for that), but I'm still trying to figure out how to save it from going into the inside wall. I'm thinking a quick countersteer with the gas off and then resume steering in the same direction or something like that? Any tips?
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i have the same problem and would lose it almost every lap with the wheel. i cannot countersteer fast enough, or far enough. ive given up on the wheel for FR cars. ive been focusing on being fast with the ds3. last week i thought i was doing ok with it on the ring. the mistakes then were just me putting a wheel in the grass and completely losing it.
 
Rome has always been a tricky course for me. Add a bunch of 15 other lunatics trying their best to outrun you and suddenly it quite challenging.

I was making several attemps to gain the inside line against Esh and i guess Twitchie prior to the kink but couldnt hold my line and gain adequate speed to pass you guys in the straight. i was afraid i would brake late and ram into one of you.
 
That's pretty much how I tuned the Mazdaspeed6. Like most front-engine 4WD cars, it suffers from understeer out of the box. Almost every place I cooked the tires, it was the rear first. I think I need to spend some time with the LSD though. I installed it briefly but it was causing too much understeer. Even with CS tires, I seem to have more luck without the LSD. I know its there to minimize wheelspin, but whenever I try to tune it I always just get outside wheelspin instead of inside wheelspin...and ows is much more difficult to deal with.
 
fatrab
Still trying to learn how to drive with the wheel. Can definitely feel something when it starts oversteering (HSR in the wet was good for that), but I'm still trying to figure out how to save it from going into the inside wall. I'm thinking a quick countersteer with the gas off and then resume steering in the same direction or something like that? Any tips?
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same here, my problem is countersteering too. and when i hit a wall, it took me like forever to regain my direction. :guilty:
 
RockinVs
i have the same problem and would lose it almost every lap with the wheel. i cannot countersteer fast enough, or far enough. ive given up on the wheel for FR cars. ive been focusing on being fast with the ds3. last week i thought i was doing ok with it on the ring. the mistakes then were just me putting a wheel in the grass and completely losing it.
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Aside from really sharp hairpins like the ones on Eiger, you shouldn't have to turn the wheel very far. Once you understand that there is a threshold to how much steering input you can apply you'll stop over turning the wheel and instead lift off the gas slightly to get more turn-in, or brake sooner. When I drive FR cars on CS tires I supply very little steering input. Using the throttle to do the turning allows you to make quick countersteering measures when necessary. It's a practice thing I guess. Trail braking helps too. It gives your front tires more grip and your rear tires less grip entering a turn. The car will naturally rotate in toward the apex with very little steering input.
 
What wheel are you using Vs?

I'm using the Fanatec Carrera and with that you can reduce the degree of rotation to something like 90* (although mine is currently set at 900*).. For me, when I countersteer, it feels like I need to get past this big point of resistance but most of the time after that, it oversteers in the direction of the countersteer.

I've stopped using Adjustable LSD as well. Have no idea how to tune it to be honest.
 
chuyler1
Aside from really sharp hairpins like the ones on Eiger, you shouldn't have to turn the wheel very far. Once you understand that there is a threshold to how much steering input you can apply you'll stop over turning the wheel and instead lift off the gas slightly to get more turn-in, or brake sooner. When I drive FR cars on CS tires I supply very little steering input. Using the throttle to do the turning allows you to make quick countersteering measures when necessary. It's a practice thing I guess. Trail braking helps too. It gives your front tires more grip and your rear tires less grip entering a turn. The car will naturally rotate in toward the apex with very little steering input.
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i have no problem just making turns, it is when the butt starts rotating, and i have to countersteer, and it seems like i can never go far enough fast enough.

i have the dfgt. (driving force gt)
 
Chuyler, you wan't to give us a demo of a saving slide using cockpit view? :)
 
I've got the DFGT as well. I think all my settings are default. I have it mounted to a wheelstandpro. Before, when it was mounted to a tray table I had problems cranking the wheel.
 
fatrab
Chuyler, you wan't to give us a demo of a saving slide using cockpit view? :)
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How about these:
Grand Tour Toscana Special Event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezxGi1YAMdI
Grand Tour Eiger Short Track Special Event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOC6XZIlc4s

The Toscana one I have to use quite a bit of countersteer exiting the corners. It's not a perfect lap, but its good enough for gold. The Eiger one you can see I had to use quite a bit of steering input...but there are times like the final turn at the bottom of the hill where i just lift off the throttle to get the car to turn for me. At no point in either video am I forcing the front tires to turn harder than they are capable of.
 
I need a better mount for sure.
 
Thanks chuyler. Will check these out when I get home.

I have the standard WSP as well. If I crank it hard it might move a little, but it is still pretty good.
 
been doing the wheel every now and then especially on the Civic Seasonal. cant get enough of the Tokyo R246 reverse. Like most of you guys i have the DFGT with wheelstand pro. I admit the steering input as well as the throtle control are way better than DS3. I have the bungee cord mod as Chuyler suggested. Eversince i started playing with the wheel, countersteering has always been my weakness. Either im not fast enough or i get past that threshold making countersteering more difficult.

Practice, Practice, Practice..... 👍
 
chuyler1
Great battle at Deep Forest Reverse.

Osprey's Ram was very quick, but when he finally passed me on lap 4 he took turn 1 extremely slow and it allowed Nic to get by me as well. I held back a few times on the rest of lap 4. Both of them had crazy speed out of the final turn of lap 4 and I'm not sure I got any of their draft. I'll have to work on my suspension to get more speed on that turn. However they were slow again through turn 1 and that allowed me to catch up entering the tunnel. I gave Osprey a few bumps for speed to get him past Nic. Then a hole opened up between them so I floored it and went through. I hit the brakes early for the next turn but Osprey locked up his brakes and went wide. Nic and I rubbed fenders when I turned in for the next apex but after the apex I had the right line for the next turn so he backed off. Coming up on the final turn, I had no idea where Nic was so I just took my usual line. After watching the replay it looks like he was doing pretty well with his outside line and I may have pushed him out. After that, I forced Osprey to give me a little bump before he went way inside to draft pass. I edged him out by what looks to be a foot.

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0:46 the dirty driver aok brakes really hard to not hit chuy when osprey comes drifting with his truck smashing my mazda in the grass without giving the position back.👍
 
fatrab
chuyer1, it is good that you are being objective because I know you and grenade are buddies. But in any case I will step in for Grenade here (despite his comments last night that I should learn how to drive - lol). I don't think Grenade was trying to cheat the system - in fact, I have noticed he usually chooses crappy cars and tries to make them competitive (his green goblin (?) as an example). He saw a car that he thought was eligible and put ballast in to ensure the weight was above 1400..

Yes, he probably should've switched up after winning the first race , but to your comment about "using a car used on a previous night", as far as I know MODERN muscle car night seems relatively new and muscle car nights have always been 500PP, not 450PP - it is a bit hard to lose 50PP by detuning on most of these cars.
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I don't mean to bring up a dead subject. But, this hits the point right on the head.

I mentioned a couple times that I had no other cars that met the rules (I've never been to a modern muscle 450pp night). I put together the Delorean at the last second because I was working on picking a car for the Lemons series.

On another note, I seriously thought I was going to be in last place every race. I never suspected that it would actually be competitive. I figured if you were actually wanting me to change cars Chuyler, you would have put your foot down. Next time, I'll take the hint better :)

Good racing!
 
frankygt-r
0:46 the dirty driver aok brakes really hard to not hit chuy when osprey comes drifting with his truck smashing my mazda in the grass without giving the position back.👍
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a) it was very marginal

b) after getting the same treatment from you on tsukuba & rome you more or less have a bullseye. paybuck sucks eh?

don't bother showing up tonite.
 
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