450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

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a) it was very marginal

b) after getting the same treatment from you on tsukuba & rome you more or less have a bullseye. Paybuck sucks eh?

Don't bother showing up tonite.

:lol:
 
there were numerous complaints last week on nurb too, I suppose we're all wrong, racist, liars or all of the above. :dunce:
 
I don't mean to bring up a dead subject. But, this hits the point right on the head.
I understand your point...which is why I didn't press the issue on the first race. I figured it would be fun to see where it ended up. On a typical 450pp night the DeLorean is mediocre at best so I too was expecting you to be at the back of the pack. Had we run all 10 laps at Daytona, I'm sure you would've won since there was no way for me to even draft pass you.

But since you brought it up again I will add that my Challenger was a directly from the 500pp modern muscle night 2 weeks ago. I guess since I rarely add engine tuning or weight reduction it was easy to just remove parts. For last week's 450pp classic muscle night I tuned the car in the first 15 minutes. It was my first time driving the car actually. I gave up on the Cougar and had to pick something else.

In any case, I like the photo diaries that people post and I enjoy recording videos. Seeing cars of the same class on the track adds to the nostalgia. The Delorean simply isn't a muscle car. It came with a friggen 130hp engine. Nothing about that car calls out muscle aside from the fact that the creator once penned the lines of the GTO. It is most surely an '80s' car and I suggest you pull it out on 80's night some night.
 
0:46 the dirty driver aok brakes really hard to not hit chuy when osprey comes drifting with his truck smashing my mazda in the grass without giving the position back.👍

a) it was very marginal

b) after getting the same treatment from you on tsukuba & rome you more or less have a bullseye. paybuck sucks eh?

don't bother showing up tonite.

there were numerous complaints last week on nurb too, I suppose we're all wrong, racist, liars or all of the above. :dunce:

Look, there is nothing racist about it. I received multiple complaints just last night and that does not include verbal complaints and previous complaints. If it was just one person I wouldn't have sent you a PSN message. Two weeks in a row you have attempted impossible passes beside me failing to admit defeat when you have lost a position. I have learned to never give you the inside because you simply don't allow anyone to late apex in front of you. I can be guilty of the same behavior from time to time when I think someone is going to run wide, but you do it every turn every lap and quite frankly, its getting old.

Read pages 39-41 of this e-magazine and ask yourself, do I do that?
 
0:46 the dirty driver aok brakes really hard to not hit chuy when osprey comes drifting with his truck smashing my mazda in the grass without giving the position back.👍

Dude, it's hard to pull the race card when no one knows what race you are. You are a long lost brother for all i know. What i do know, is that you are one of the most aggressive drivers on the race track and you habitually dive bomb the inside on every corner of every race track. I know this is a game, but we are trying to keep the lobby fun, fair, and friendly. I know this is a game, but if it were a real car would you risk totally wrecking your car on EVERY turn?

I am one of the people who complained about you last night, you didn't hit my car but i saw the crappy dive bomb attempts you always pull and this pisses me off for two reasons 1. you just ruined someone's race, 2. you are letting the leader/front pack get further and further away and ruining everyone's chances of competing. I don't mind an aggressive driver, but you are no longer aggressive, you are just reckless.
 
Read pages 39-41 of this e-magazine and ask yourself, do I do that?

good read! Hey guess what, it's bad racecraft and a bit of a douche-bag move to weave around the track to prevent people from drafting, who knew?!
 
you didn't hit my car but i saw the crappy dive bomb attempts you always pull and this pisses me off for two reasons
Actually, he did hit your car last night. The first lap of Tsukuba he dive bombed, then from the inside position he tracked out on exit pushing you into the dirt. On the first turn of any track, you need to maintain your line and provide adequate room for the driver to your inside or outside. This goes for any turn but it is crucial on the first turn where cars are still running 2-wide.
 
good read! Hey guess what, it's bad racecraft and a bit of a douche-bag move to weave around the track to prevent people from drafting, who knew?!
I called someone out on that at Grand Valley the other night. I think we were in vintage cars. First time I had seen it in a long time in my lobby.
 
i know the draft is ridiculous in the game and i wish they'd fix it but i've noticed in other rooms, on nurb, some will resort to either purposely blowing the last corner or running on the grass on the last straight to try to avoid the draft. the latter can be made more difficult by setting the grip to 'real' but it's still possible.

hint: don't do this in the room tonight.
 
Actually, he did hit your car last night. The first lap of Tsukuba he dive bombed, then from the inside position he tracked out on exit pushing you into the dirt. On the first turn of any track, you need to maintain your line and provide adequate room for the driver to your inside or outside. This goes for any turn but it is crucial on the first turn where cars are still running 2-wide.

oh, i didn't know which car hit me, there were so many! i think i hit every car that passed me in one race. :crazy:

Also, grenade is usually the one weaving back in forth on GVE, adding to the annoyance of a delorean running around on muscle car night.
 
I had fun at Rome once my car warmed up. I watched the replay and lots of cars were glitchy (flickering gas pedals).

I was lagging horribly at the start of the race, which is why I lost it in the kink before back straight. Diabolic was hollering at me for breaking w/AWD car but I had zero traction whatsoever until maybe the 3rd lap, churning out laptimes 5 seconds slower than any of my faster hotlaps. By the 4th or 5th lap things seemed to settle and I was starting to get under 1'24.5. I think someone left the room around that time.
 
Also, grenade is usually the one weaving back in forth on GVE, adding to the annoyance of a delorean running around on muscle car night.

LOL! the same goes in the Ring too. he was all over the place! pics dont lie! :lol:

Peace!
 
oh, i didn't know which car hit me, there were so many! i think i hit every car that passed me in one race. :crazy:

Also, grenade is usually the one weaving back in forth on GVE, adding to the annoyance of a delorean running around on muscle car night.

You still mad bro? Lol. Seriously though. I disagree with that one point on the E-article.

If I can weave around safely on the straights without hitting anyone, I should be allowed to. This game has stupidly high amounts of draft and I shouldn't have to give up my first place position just because you happen to be less then 10 car lengths behind me.

If you are right on my ass already, that is a whole nother story.
 
I've got a love/hate relationship with the draft. We wouldn't have intense battles lap after lap without it...but on some tracks it takes the emphasis away from running a fast driving line.

The difference between a good lap and a bad lap for me on most tracks is about .5 to 1 seconds. During qualifying I fight to get a few extra 10ths. During the race, a driver who was running up to 1 second slower per lap can still catch a draft and remain close. They don't have to run a quick driving line to stay on the bumper of the car ahead, they simply have to stay out of the dirt and close enough to make back the time on the straight.

As a result, my qualifying pace and my racing pace are entirely different. I have given up on racing perfect laps during a race. I brake early, I hit every apex, and I simply block other drivers from getting by me. If they pass me, I'll wait for the next drafting zone to get by them. It probably pisses off people like Nic and Osprey who are convinced they could pull away from me if they could just get around...but I won't risk giving up inside track position if it means accidentally running wide and leaving a gap for them to squeeze by. If I fall behind, I'll start taking risks, but I never do so at the front.

The Deep Forest race i posted above is an example of that. I was biding my time in the front, racing fast, but not on edge. I never took the fastest line through turn 1 because it wasn't worth giving up the inside...and since Osprey would have caught me on the uphill anyway, what was the point? Eventually Osprey perfected the final turns of the track enough to be on my bumper for the final turn...and then draft passed. So I just laid back and waited for an opportunity to do the same. Passing just requires enough skill to tailgate someone long enough to be in the right position for a draft pass. As the article I linked states, the person up front isn't necessarily the person running the fastest driving line...its the person running the most defensive line to protect their lead.
 
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I had zero traction whatsoever until maybe the 3rd lap, churning out laptimes 5 seconds slower than any of my faster hotlaps. By the 4th or 5th lap things seemed to settle and I was starting to get under 1'24.5. I think someone left the room around that time.
Same here, but I think it was midway through lap 2 that I could finally open the throttle completely through the first technical section of the track.

You still mad bro? Lol. Seriously though. I disagree with that one point on the E-article.

If I can weave around safely on the straights without hitting anyone, I should be allowed to. This game has stupidly high amounts of draft and I shouldn't have to give up my first place position just because you happen to be less then 10 car lengths behind me.
Agree or disagree, I don't want to see it. At 140 mph, if you did that on a real track you'd be heading for the safety barriers. Acceptable is a move immediately exiting the turn before the straight, and a second move before the turn at the end. Take the back straight at tsukuba for example. exiting the hairpin you typically track out to the left. It is acceptable to move over to the right in one swooping curve. Then when you reach the end of the straight, if no one is outside of you, you can move to the left to set up for the final turn. If you weave any more than that, I would call it unsportsmanlike. No one else will be doing it so just focus on racing clean and hope they don't catch your draft. The draft is the same for everyone so you gotta just live with it. If you are worried about being draft-passed on the last lap...place yourself in 2nd position and wait to make your move.
 
Same here, but I think it was midway through lap 2 that I could finally open the throttle completely through the first technical section of the track.


Agree or disagree, I don't want to see it. At 140 mph, if you did that on a real track you'd be heading for the safety barriers. Acceptable is a move immediately exiting the turn before the straight, and a second move before the turn at the end. Take the back straight at tsukuba for example. exiting the hairpin you typically track out to the left. It is acceptable to move over to the right in one swooping curve. Then when you reach the end of the straight, if no one is outside of you, you can move to the left to set up for the final turn. If you weave any more than that, I would call it unsportsmanlike. No one else will be doing it so just focus on racing clean and hope they don't catch your draft. The draft is the same for everyone so you gotta just live with it. If you are worried about being draft-passed on the last lap...place yourself in 2nd position and wait to make your move.

I'll do whatever you ask. But, don't quote real life physics when the only reason I am doing the weaving is because of the completely lack of real life physics when it comes to drafting in this game.

Sure in real life, I would not be swooping from side to side at 140 mph. But, a car 10 lengths behind me that is slower in a straight line would also not be catching up to me just because it was behind me.
 
Its Wednesday and we're chatting about Monday nights events. After a day, I say let it go...let it go or skip the next race...whatever folks have to do to suppress their thoughts. I can't and I know that, so I skip Mondays now and other days at random. I know myself and I'll do/say something stupid if I dont cool off over this GAME. I know there are two folks who race at least three nights a week that I would pit maneuver in every corner. I find a lot of actions made by them on par with my wife's middle school students, but I hold it in and since I've run with my mic off, I've beat them every race we've been in together. (I'm keeping track...thats the first or eight sign I have a problem :lol:

I'm rambling now...so now for my New ending

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Pointless Thought: I only like frozen grapes.

@ Esh---I was yelling, but only because my mic was on the ground, so I was shouting down to it. I wasnt upset though, just taken aback. My GT-R and grip coming out the @%$# but no power so losing the lead pack left me dead in the water and Chuyler and Twichie proved on subsequent laps on the main stretch.

I'm sorry about the yelling though. If I'd tried to put the mic back on while racing, I would have caused quite a mess.
 
i usually protect my line in turns, i have the tendency to brake early and have this tendency to hug the inside lane. Most of you guys pass me from the outside or just wait for me to commit a mistake. Which often does! :lol:

But in the straights, if your faster than me i never block, feel free to pass me! i think most of you guys knew that... i been passed around a countless time! i think its getting into a habit already! :banghead:
 
I'll do whatever you ask. But, don't quote real life physics when the only reason I am doing the weaving is because of the completely lack of real life physics when it comes to drafting in this game.
Ehh whatever. Its in the OLR so please don't violate it...we could get into numerous discussions about the physics in this game...starting with how a 2600kg pick up truck can take sharp turns at 100mph without flipping over. The draft is there to promote action in the game. Without it, everyone would pretty much be driving by themselves after a few turns because there would be absolutely no way to pass unless someone made a major mistake or your car was faster to begin with. So take the draft as a challenge, not as something to cheat.

After a day, I say let it go...let it go or skip the next race...whatever folks have to do to suppress their thoughts.
Well if we don't come to a resolution, the same **** will happen every week. I'd say this monday was much cleaner than previous mondays. Last Monday I had fun every race and I don't recall any major issues...but then again, I don't have to let things go because I simply forget. Maybe there was an issue last Monday...I honestly don't remember. I just remember having fun battling grenade for 2 laps at nurburgring.
 
I think you all are acting like kids personally, I could be a lot nicer about this, but I'm going to choose too be blunt.

Let's not play "race" cards here, (Not sure how this works, since Italy isn't a race.) If you all have an argument, you have two choices.
1. Sit here on GTP and bicker like little girls.
2. Race. (Do I expect this too be squeaky clean and follow "ORL" rules? No. Let's be honest.)

Just like Diabolic said, I have people who I race with in this group who I can NOT stand. Names I will not say, as I don't want to get in a giant argument.

Like I said earlier, I'm not getting in the Delorean debate, because I will get so angry I could break this phone in half. Booch.... DROP IT.

For the record, Osprey, AOK, Booch, I like you all. I would even call you my friends not just people I met on a video game. Bit chill out. Enough said.

Now, I've got 400 miles too truck, and I've got too keep this diesel truckin', so I'm gonna put this hammer down and give it hell.
 
BTK
Booch.... DROP IT.

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:lol:
 
BTK
Like I said earlier, I'm not getting in the Delorean debate, because I will get so angry I could break this phone in half.

I thought you already broke your phone in half the other night when it kept ringing :lol:
 
and i thought my jokes were reaching people....... :ouch:

 
fatrab
I thought you already broke your phone in half the other night when it kept ringing :lol:

That was my house phone. Sadly, dad has two more of those bastards.
 
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