>500 to >650 to >???cars

[Rapidone]

I hope PD have thought ahead a little to GT5 when they made GT4, to enable them to use GT4 models in GT5.

I'd hate to see them have to model all of the cars again for GT5, we'll be back to just 200 cars again.

Hopefully only the interior of the cars and the wheels will have to be modeled for GT5.

 

[tha_con]

cars will be remodeled, by it has been stated that they Began with very high res textures for car textures, those will more than likely be reused.

 

[Safe Speed]

With all of those open car slots, hopefully they will add some SAABs. 👍

 

[yeti]

I heard that the GT4 models would be similar to GT5 models but with better textures...

The main thing that will happen is the the Physics engine can run upto 300FPS and not 60... so should be more accurate... (Altho not sure how much of this you will notice)

And therefore I suspect that GT5 will finally get more cars on the grid... and damage... that's all that I would ask of GT5... Oh yeah and of course more tracks... even tho 4 is gonna have loads!! (Hopefully 4 AI will be sufficient?!)

C.

 

[Cosmic]

With all of those open car slots, hopefully they will add some SAABs. 👍

Instead of Saabs' they can ad a new track.

 

[tha_con]

I heard that the GT4 models would be similar to GT5 models but with better textures...

The main thing that will happen is the the Physics engine can run upto 300FPS and not 60... so should be more accurate... (Altho not sure how much of this you will notice)

And therefore I suspect that GT5 will finally get more cars on the grid... and damage... that's all that I would ask of GT5... Oh yeah and of course more tracks... even tho 4 is gonna have loads!! (Hopefully 4 AI will be sufficient?!)

C.

PD stated they took all the textures at extremely high res and then downgraded them for PS2 in order to save time during production on GT5. Models will be upgraded, that is definite.

And as for the 300 calcs per second, that was a guess figure given from KY during an interview, he currently does not know how fast he will be able to run it on PS3, because PS3 is not finished, and they do not have dev. kits, they are simply using proprietary tools to model and texture high res cars and will downgrade accordingly for PS3, unless they don't have to, but more than likely right now all the dev that is going on for GT5 is only physics work and and studies. I'll find out when I go to this years E3, I'm hyped.

 

[m7ammed]

Hop they add some alpina cars : B3 ,B5 B7 , which are modifed versions of BMWs , also some hamman and hartge car

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

Heh, heh this thread is becoming a wishlist little by little few posts ago.

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

I see no reason why the # couldn't be in the 800+ range.
PD already had 180 cars modeled.
So lets see:
800
-150
650

So that would mean atleast 650 more cars to model.
Now!
There are 52 weeks in one year.
3 years of development:
156 weeks.
Obviously they have more than one modeler.
Lets say they have 5?
156 x 5
780.Now cut out your major holidays etc and do the math again.
So we drop about 10 weeks from dev time.

146 x 5

730 cars
That's how many they can model in about three years.
And it would take very little time to up the detail on the GT3 models.
So for anyone to say that PD didn't have time for that many cars...... hehe lol
And I guessed the # of moddelers. I would like to think that they madby have mroe based on the fact that there is such a large # of cars.
And 1000 car garage?

GT3 has a 200 car garage.
And the total # of cars, not counting those wierd smaple ones, but couting the Diablo, 911, Stratos, Stratos Rally, etc.....
it's like 185.

So I would think that 200 extra spaces ontop of the total car count would sound right.....

So lots of cars in GT4? Very possible.

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

a few pages late, but this was too funny to pass up.

Ford is king of new color+new wheel = new 'edition'.

If the array of mustang badges that are slapped on different wheel, paint, and suspension combos aren't enough, How about a Kona or Sony edition focus to top it off?

Eh well actualy the Mach 1, Boss, Cobra, etc. are all very different.
The Mach 1 was a drag machine.
The Boss 351 was a high performance street monster.
The Boss 429 was Ford's way to get the 429 HEMI into Nascar.
The Cobra is the only modern day muscle still around. (sorry importing a family car from Austrailia and cramming a Vette V-8 in it isn't very American)
Only Mustangs that where not very large departure from their relatives where the
2002 Bullit. But that was mainly for collectors. (had special badging, rims, interior, and better tuned engine)
And how dare you call ford king of new color+new wheel = new edition
When Nissan Makes 4 variations of a car and they only have moderate performance difference.
Same with Mitsu and those damn Evo's.
Is there a need for Evo's 1-8 if Evo 9 or 10 or MR is the newest thing?

 

[98cobra]

Eh well actualy the Mach 1, Boss, Cobra, etc. are all very different.
The Mach 1 was a drag machine.
The Boss 351 was a high performance street monster.
The Boss 429 was Ford's way to get the 429 HEMI into Nascar.
The Cobra is the only modern day muscle still around. (sorry importing a family car from Austrailia and cramming a Vette V-8 in it isn't very American)
Only Mustangs that where not very large departure from their relatives where the
2002 Bullit. But that was mainly for collectors. (had special badging, rims, interior, and better tuned engine)
And how dare you call ford king of new color+new wheel = new edition
When Nissan Makes 4 variations of a car and they only have moderate performance difference.
Same with Mitsu and those damn Evo's.
Is there a need for Evo's 1-8 if Evo 9 or 10 or MR is the newest thing?

Yes, if the cars have a historical importance and I think they do, but so do Mustangs. 40 years and only 3? And there have been tons of special editions.

 

[JohnBM01]

Can you believe it? Formula One's qualifying at Suzuka has underwent a typhoon! There's rain, heavy rain, then the unreal. But unlike oval racing, never fear the rain. Dang, man. Hope the qualifying can get off somehow, someway before the F1 circus crashes into Brazil at Interlagos (That Brasilia circuit is pretty complicated, but Interlagos is still pretty tough).

I'm sorry. I'm not a Saab fan except for their handling. That would be about the only reason I'd get one in GT4 (granted it's in). Nice brief technical discussion.

 

[Lofberg]

I think this "300-400 lancer, skylines, imprezas etc"-talk is way "overdriven". There is no chance, IMO, that PD will include over 50 cars of each of these cars mentioned. I don't doubt there will be more japanese cars (especially these mentioned above) than from europe and USA, but heck NO over 100's of the very same car.

 

[redhed17]

I like the older Saabs, when they were a bit distinctive. The newer one's are boring and pretty average. That's what being swallowed up by a bigger manufacturer does. The same components are used for different brands by the parent company, like Volkswagen, Audi, Seat and Skoda for example. I really like the Saab Turbo (black of course)from the 80's though, it looked like nothing else.

I hope Seat get in by the way, the Seat Cupra is a hot little hatchback.

I think the number of cars could jump considerably if they choose to model cars with lots of variations. Do the basic model, then do slight changes to appearance and handling. Thus taking up hardly any extra space for a lot more cars.

 

[Cobra S]

I think this "300-400 lancer, skylines, imprezas etc"-talk is way "overdriven". There is no chance, IMO, that PD will include over 50 cars of each of these cars mentioned. I don't doubt there will be more japanese cars (especially these mentioned above) than from europe and USA, but heck NO over 100's of the very same car.

alright, alright- yes it was a bit overexaggerated, but if you wanna be exact, here you go .. on the master car list, i counted;

-5 honda accords
-8 honda civics + 1 spoon civic = 9 civics
-6 acura integras + 1 spoon integra = 7 integras
-11(ELEVEN) acura nsx's
-6 honda preludes
-3 honda s2000's + 2 spoon s2000's = 5 s2000's
-2 mines lancer evo + 8 mitsubishi lancer evos = 10 lancer evolutions
-4 nismo skylines + 1 mines skyline + 20 nissan skylines = 25(TWENTY FIVE) skylines
-2 nismo fairlady z's + 10 nissan fairlady z's = 12 z's
-5 nissan silvia's
-5 subaru legacy b4's
-4 subaru legacy touring wagon's
-8 toyota celica's(years 1970, 86, 86 again, 91, 91 again, 94, 95, and 98)
-6 toyota supras

granted i don't dislike any of the cars mentioned really(well, ok, only the accord and civic, along with all the other ridiculously slow cars in the game), but i think as usual, the amount of 'unnecessary' cars was a bit high... and to anyone who may say, 'well then, don't buy all those cars'- thats fine, i won't.. but instead, PD could've put better, less repetitive cars... why and how will anyone have 1,000 cars in their garage when a bunch of 'em are just different versions of one another?

 

[kinigitt]

alright, alright- yes it was a bit overexaggerated, but if you wanna be exact, here you go .. on the master car list, i counted;

-5 honda accords
-8 honda civics + 1 spoon civic = 9 civics
-6 acura integras + 1 spoon integra = 7 integras
-11(ELEVEN) acura nsx's
-6 honda preludes
-3 honda s2000's + 2 spoon s2000's = 5 s2000's
-2 mines lancer evo + 8 mitsubishi lancer evos = 10 lancer evolutions
-4 nismo skylines + 1 mines skyline + 20 nissan skylines = 25(TWENTY FIVE) skylines
-2 nismo fairlady z's + 10 nissan fairlady z's = 12 z's
-5 nissan silvia's
-5 subaru legacy b4's
-4 subaru legacy touring wagon's
-8 toyota celica's(years 1970, 86, 86 again, 91, 91 again, 94, 95, and 98)
-6 toyota supras

granted i don't dislike any of the cars mentioned really(well, ok, only the accord and civic, along with all the other ridiculously slow cars in the game), but i think as usual, the amount of 'unnecessary' cars was a bit high... and to anyone who may say, 'well then, don't buy all those cars'- thats fine, i won't.. but instead, PD could've put better, less repetitive cars... why and how will anyone have 1,000 cars in their garage when a bunch of 'em are just different versions of one another?

I count 118 cars. And that's for 15 car models.

People are going to complain about a handful of mustangs?

For a car that has been produced for a half century and that has had tons of tuners specials and different variations (with different engines, drivetrains, and platforms not just minor tuning choices and aesthetics.) It's really not a representative sample. The same could be said for a lot of europe's best manufacturers; they have a few prominent models featured here and there, but you kind of lose the sense of "automotive history" when in fact it's only an "automotive highlights according to what PD thinks is significant".

Where's the Gaijin love?

 

[98cobra]

alright, alright- yes it was a bit overexaggerated, but if you wanna be exact, here you go .. on the master car list, i counted;

-5 honda accords
-8 honda civics + 1 spoon civic = 9 civics
-6 acura integras + 1 spoon integra = 7 integras
-11(ELEVEN) acura nsx's
-6 honda preludes
-3 honda s2000's + 2 spoon s2000's = 5 s2000's
-2 mines lancer evo + 8 mitsubishi lancer evos = 10 lancer evolutions
-4 nismo skylines + 1 mines skyline + 20 nissan skylines = 25(TWENTY FIVE) skylines
-2 nismo fairlady z's + 10 nissan fairlady z's = 12 z's
-5 nissan silvia's
-5 subaru legacy b4's
-4 subaru legacy touring wagon's
-8 toyota celica's(years 1970, 86, 86 again, 91, 91 again, 94, 95, and 98)
-6 toyota supras

granted i don't dislike any of the cars mentioned really(well, ok, only the accord and civic, along with all the other ridiculously slow cars in the game), but i think as usual, the amount of 'unnecessary' cars was a bit high... and to anyone who may say, 'well then, don't buy all those cars'- thats fine, i won't.. but instead, PD could've put better, less repetitive cars... why and how will anyone have 1,000 cars in their garage when a bunch of 'em are just different versions of one another?

Exactly what I was thinking. I think that every car has a fair amount of repeats since it's a Japanes game, but damn 25 Skylines. I like Skylines, but damn.

 

[Mukai]

Erm, you cannot compare the old 70s Skyline and the newer Versions of 89-99. The new luxury Sedan isn't competitive and the 350GT is a completely new model.
you see, numbers are all relative

 

[tha_con]

alright, alright- yes it was a bit overexaggerated, but if you wanna be exact, here you go .. on the master car list, i counted;

-5 honda accords
-8 honda civics + 1 spoon civic = 9 civics
-6 acura integras + 1 spoon integra = 7 integras
-11(ELEVEN) acura nsx's
-6 honda preludes
-3 honda s2000's + 2 spoon s2000's = 5 s2000's
-2 mines lancer evo + 8 mitsubishi lancer evos = 10 lancer evolutions
-4 nismo skylines + 1 mines skyline + 20 nissan skylines = 25(TWENTY FIVE) skylines
-2 nismo fairlady z's + 10 nissan fairlady z's = 12 z's
-5 nissan silvia's
-5 subaru legacy b4's
-4 subaru legacy touring wagon's
-8 toyota celica's(years 1970, 86, 86 again, 91, 91 again, 94, 95, and 98)
-6 toyota supras

granted i don't dislike any of the cars mentioned really(well, ok, only the accord and civic, along with all the other ridiculously slow cars in the game), but i think as usual, the amount of 'unnecessary' cars was a bit high... and to anyone who may say, 'well then, don't buy all those cars'- thats fine, i won't.. but instead, PD could've put better, less repetitive cars... why and how will anyone have 1,000 cars in their garage when a bunch of 'em are just different versions of one another?

what's funny is that's an assumed list, and that you listed 6 honda preludes...I know everything about this car, and trust when I say that 6 are not in the game. PD is a choice selecter, I agree. And there were 5 gens of honda prelude. Out of these 5, two generations had variations. The 3rd and 4th generation. 5th generation also had some variations, but they were minute (with the exception of the Type-S and SH). So, with that said, you can believe that PD has and will include only the strongest model of that generation, which is why, even if we see them, we will only see 5 variations of prelude. Your list is from a "guess" list, therefore it is guess work. My suggestion to you is to realize, that those 5 accords are from different generations, as is with all the other cars, and they do not handle respond the same...end

kthxbye.

 

[crimson_menace]

In the GT4 presentation at the Nürburgring, 6 weeks before TGS, KY said that GT4 will have more than 500 cars. At the TGS he said that GT4 will have more than 650 cars. I think it will probably be about 6 weeks before GT4 gets gold.

Now my question to you is:
Do you think that GT4 will have about 800 cars? or is that 650-700 the final count?

GT4 can have as many cars pd decides to put on the disc....but there's only one car that i'm looking forward to: the jaguar xj220 road car. it's the bestest car ever! the once fastest production roadcar on the planet deserves to be on this monumental monstrosity of a game, just as much as the millions and millions(maybe just hundreds) of lesser cars that will definitely be released as the final product.

CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kinigitt]

what's funny is that's an assumed list, and that you listed 6 honda preludes...I know everything about this car, and trust when I say that 6 are not in the game. PD is a choice selecter, I agree. And there were 5 gens of honda prelude. Out of these 5, two generations had variations. The 3rd and 4th generation. 5th generation also had some variations, but they were minute (with the exception of the Type-S and SH). So, with that said, you can believe that PD has and will include only the strongest model of that generation, which is why, even if we see them, we will only see 5 variations of prelude. Your list is from a "guess" list, therefore it is guess work. My suggestion to you is to realize, that those 5 accords are from different generations, as is with all the other cars, and they do not handle respond the same...end

kthxbye.

what he is saying is that out of all the cars with storied histories, the japanese get all the glory. Granted, it is a japanese game made by japanese people, but considering that the tagline for GT4 (something about educating people on automotive history, an interactive museum of sorts), it's just not proportional.

The prelude is a great car, but there are many, many more models that have been in production for a much longer time, and have a much more impressive track history. Therefore, much more deserving of multiple variants.

 

[98cobra]

what he is saying is that out of all the cars with storied histories, the japanese get all the glory. Granted, it is a japanese game made by japanese people, but considering that the tagline for GT4 (something about educating people on automotive history, an interactive museum of sorts), it's just not proportional.

The prelude is a great car, but there are many, many more models that have been in production for a much longer time, and have a much more impressive track history. Therefore, much more deserving of multiple variants.

Thanks for clearing that up. Good points. 👍

 

[Cobra S]

what he is saying is that out of all the cars with storied histories, the japanese get all the glory. Granted, it is a japanese game made by japanese people, but considering that the tagline for GT4 (something about educating people on automotive history, an interactive museum of sorts), it's just not proportional.

The prelude is a great car, but there are many, many more models that have been in production for a much longer time, and have a much more impressive track history. Therefore, much more deserving of multiple variants.

thats exactly what i meant, thanks. i don't care if theres 6, 5, 4 or even 3 preludes... thats still too many variants of one slow car.

 

[Jedi2016]

I just did some interesting math, based on the partial list and the numbers compiled by Cobra S.

GT3: 11 Skylines out of 185 total cars = 5.9%
GT4: 25 Skylines out of 650 total cars = 3.8%

So while there may be more of them in total, it's actually a smaller percentage of the total number of cars. So, from a certain point of view, there are fewer Skylines in GT4.

The same goes for the Evo's.. 11 of them in GT3, 11 of them in GT4.. much smaller percentage, from 5.9% down to 1.7%.

Bear in mind these numbers are based on conjecture and a limited "best guess" partial car list. We don't have the rest of the car list, of course, but I doubt it will include that many more of vehicles we've already seen (i.e. more Evos or Skylines). Fact is, we've confirmed what... around half of the total cars in the game? At this point, it's only so much speculation.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I always find these types of posts funny, because you just know you wouldn't hear complaints from a lot of people if it was an American-based company focusing on American-based manufacturers with the Euro/Japanese cars taking a secondary role. The fact is as long as PD is doing GT, it will be primarily focused on their domestic offerings.

I will admit, however, that I too don't see a problem with putting more American offerings in, such as a wider variety of Vettes, Stangs, Camaros, and others. There are a fair amount of historically important models for any of those, I won't doubt it, but the fact remains that if PD either doesn't want or can't get them into the game, well... they won't be there. Oh, and anybody who can not find any significant difference between the first Evo and the latest VIII MR really isn't much of an auto enthusiast. The afore-mentioned Bullitt special Mustang from 2002 is *just* like an Evo T.M. Edition.

"Too many variants of one slow car"? The last-gen Preludes make just as much power as the choked-up '82 Vette from GT2. Where exactly is the line drawn for cars that are "too slow"? Why don't we get rid of all the street cars, since the LMPs and such are undoubtedly faster.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Still waiting for Mr P510 to tell us how he can guarantee there will be 800 cars available in GT4 ... hopefully with a bit of solid evidence from KY and PD themselves ...

 

[Cosmic]

Still waiting for Mr P510 to tell us how he can guarantee there will be 800 cars available in GT4 ... hopefully with a bit of solid evidence from KY and PD themselves ...

Well 800 cars is a little bit to....much.
I think it's enough with 650 cars and instead of put in more cars try to complete the game PD

 

[Rapidone]

Where exactly is the line drawn for cars that are "too slow"?

No car is too slow. It's the tracks that are too big for the smaller cars. Small tracks were sadly missing from GT3.

Hopefully GT4 wil have some tiny tracks where the lowpower, lightweight, short wheelbase cars can compete.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

I don't care on how many Evo's, Skylines, WRX, or other Japan makes that has so many variants of the same car, I get that now. But I do agree that PD needs to open up with other great cars like the Vettes, Commodores, Falcons, Vipers, F-Bodies (Camaro/Firebird), Mustangs, and other prominent Euro/Aussie-cars not just US-cars that everybodys craving. If only PD listen to the target audience a little bit more, I bet they will improve. As far as "slow car" (as what the US V8 guys refers), I think thats why GT-series shines is that they open the doors to cars that the masses has, not like NFS (until recently with Underground), and Test Drive. And I like racing with slow cars, it gives me a challenge on how I can push as a racer to keep up with opponents on the circuit. High power US V8's, you guys can stick with ovals and 1/4 miles any day you want. Those are not my thing.

If you don't like "slow cars", then look elsewhere, GT4 is not for you.

 

[tha_con]

what he is saying is that out of all the cars with storied histories, the japanese get all the glory. Granted, it is a japanese game made by japanese people, but considering that the tagline for GT4 (something about educating people on automotive history, an interactive museum of sorts), it's just not proportional.

The prelude is a great car, but there are many, many more models that have been in production for a much longer time, and have a much more impressive track history. Therefore, much more deserving of multiple variants.

You also have to understand that it costs money to go overseas and do all of the research necessary to put these cars in the game. So for polyphony to get more domsetic cars in the game they would have to send someone to the US for a month or longer to get more data on more domestic cars, and they would have to bring thier tools also of course, which is why there has to be a select few that show up in the game, because it costs more to produce domestic cars in the game because of the required research.

As for the guy who said the prelude is a slow car...isn't any car "slow" compared to the exotics? And also the Prelude was never marketed as a "fast" car, it was ALWAYS marketed as nimble. It's an autocross car, esp. the 5th Gen SH or Type-S with ATTS...awesome technology at work..what's better is now theres and AWD ATTS...so hot...do some reading, because preludes are nice cars, especially for SCCA...and btw, if you're talking about drag...drag is for fags .