I didn't respond for a reason. That reason being, you contradicted yourself... Again... I then quoted TTCH stating the opposite. You then contradicted your original statement of With What exactly did you mean by 'It was definitely 5-60-60 in GT5, I'm 100% sure of that.' ? The paragraph @SmokeNrubber quoted included 'stability mid slide' and and 'I', stating that it was my personal opinion. I know you love wheelspin, but I like some form of traction and forward thrust. We were also talking about drifting in general, not just tandeming. @SmokeNrubber PM'd me and we are having a disscusion about it currently. Here's a little quote from our conversation I am aware that some people like endless wheelspin when drifting, but it doesn't make my opinion wrong.