600pp superGT

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Sorry for the off thread title post but...



No lie there. I just turned it on and wow! I tried it on a grind race I have done 100 times and 2.6 seconds a lap faster at Laguna Seca in a 650PP Audi R10.

Yea, thats exactly what I mean and why I feel the way I do about that aid.

 

[wejhvabewjty]

Did the first three events with the DS3. I won. Did the two last events with my Lamborghini wheel. I won and I enjoyed it a lot

 

[montez34]

To answer the controller setup question; I use right analog stick for gas and brake, left stick for steering, R2 and L2 for shifting, R1 for E brake, and I still have x and square set as gas and brake so I can do brakestands. I've been using this setup since GT3.

About the SRF war, I don't use it unless I can't win the race or I'm just grinding for money. I didn't even know what it did until a year ago, once I tried it though it's the only driving aid I will use, TCS and ASM slow you down more than they help.

So far I haven't used any aids except abs1 for this seasonal, I'm running the cars without a tune, only thing I adjust is gears and aero and I'm using a different car every race. It makes it more fun for me, it's challenging but not too difficult to win.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Again, I just want to make it clear, I'm not knocking anyone who uses SRF UNLESS they come into a thread bragging about their time or accomplishment while using it. Otherwise, its like whatever. SRF just turns the game into an arcade racer. Just wanted to be clear one more time so that I won't recieve any fan mail over my comments about the issue.

 

[Adrenaline]

If you can't beat my PP reductions and win, that's fine.

It'd be easy to do so, I just have no desire to drive like a buffoon.

Just as you are posting to those who don't, presumably as those of us who do are 'cheating', according to you. Maybe you should inform GT5 of all us cheats.

Just because GT5 allows it, doesn't mean it's not cheating.
GT5 also allows you to cut corners, slam into other cars, bounce off walls, ride walls, jump the track, etc etc.

Adrenaline ""doesnt play well w/others"" ...........'nuff said.

You kids do realize I personally put that there, right?

 

[waddy2001]

There always seems to be SRF 'discussions' here (more like a war, really). Here are my points, for anyone who cares:
1. I'm guessing the AI uses SRF. I've searched here and other sites and the consensus is that they do. That's just an observation for the pro-SRF crew.
2. If you're stuck on SRF, why not try with it off? I just did a run on Eifel without it (TC at 1 and ABS at 1). Damn, it was fun! Much more real than I would have expected. I didn't do well, ended up in the weeds a couple of times but I passed a couple of cars and enjoyed it. Give it a shot, then come back and share your experiences.
3. If PD gives bonus credits for lower PP, why the heck don't they give a big bonus for no SRF? Makes a lot more sense, to me anyway. They know if it's on or off so why not give a bonus?
4. As with everything, some people take things a bit too seriously. If I'm relaxing with an ale, I'll have SRF on. If I feel like putting some grease in a pan to get a burning oil smell while wearing my hockey helmet and burning some virtual rubber, I'll turn it off. I think the SRF-ers are people who race for fun while the non-SRF-ers take the 'game' seriously, maybe harbouring dreams of becoming another Mardenborough. (I wonder what his TT times were?)
Just my observations. Argue away.

With so much discussion on SRF, I think I will turn it on and see what's what.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

It'd be easy to do so, I just have no desire to drive like a buffoon.


Just because GT5 allows it, doesn't mean it's not cheating.
GT5 also allows you to cut corners, slam into other cars, bounce off walls, ride walls, jump the track, etc etc.


You kids do realize I personally put that there, right?

Right on cue. Thanks for the chuckle. The last one really made me laugh. I wonder how many people actually believe or think that that is put there by the mods. Hate to see what mine would say if that was the case.

 

[machinist1976]

This was odd...

I was driving the HSV-010 at Eifel in this seasonal and every time I got above 8000RPM in 4th, 5th, and 6th gears the engine sound would fade to almost nothing

 

[lldantell]

Just because GT5 allows it, doesn't mean it's not cheating.
GT5 also allows you to cut corners, slam into other cars, bounce off walls, ride walls, jump the track, etc etc.

It's not cheating when you racing because it gives you some help controlling the car around a corner.but,doing a time trial,it's a bit cheating because the person that's using aids is faster then the guy that's not using aids

 

[iainoflo85]

But doing a time trial, it's a bit cheating because the person that's using aids is faster then the guy that's using aids

That's why PD don't allow SRF in their Time Trials.

 

[Adrenaline]

It's not cheating when you racing because it gives you some help controlling the car around a corner.but,doing a time trial,it's a bit cheating because the person that's using aids is faster then the guy that's using aids

Avoiding a corner and cutting it completely helps me control the car through the corner. Does that mean it's not cheating either?
Last corner of Trial Mountain for example.
The cement area of Deep Forest?
Second Chicane of Monza?
First sweeping right of Sarthe?
The list goes on.

If someone wants to use a logical argument, then by all means I have no issue with that. Like the guy who simply said, 'I use SRF when I'm kicking back with a beer.' I support that by all means. The guy isn't looking for a race experience, he just wants to enjoy the game, relax and not care or try harder than he feel he needs to, to have some fun. As long as he isn't here pretending he's good, or that SRF is fair, realistic, no different than using a wheel /eyeroll, or bragging about lap times with it on, then you won't see me mocking you. The same way I don't mock 8 year olds, who use SRF because they have no real driving experience, nor the intellectual capacity to comprehend how the in game, or real life physics of a car apply to a driving style. If grown men, want to race with that state of mind, have at it!

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

It's not cheating when you racing because it gives you some help controlling the car around a corner.but,doing a time trial,it's a bit cheating because the person that's using aids is faster then the guy that's using aids

Good god Dante, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Also, I don't believe anyone said anything about using SRF to cheat. I think I said at one point that it feels like you are cheating when using it because of its ungodly handling characteristics. As much as I hate it, using it does not mean you are cheating as long as its an available aid. It gives you a false sense of your true skill level. Turns "simulation" into "arcade."

 

[lldantell]

Good god Dante, your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Also, I don't believe anyone said anything about using SRF to cheat. I think I said at one point that it feels like you are cheating when using it because of its ungodly handling characteristics. As much as I hate it, using it does not mean you are cheating as long as its an available aid. It gives you a false sense of your true skill level. Turns "simulation" into "arcade."

I meant the person that's using aids Is faster then the guy that's not using aids

 

[iainoflo85]

It gives you a false sense of your true skill level.

Reason why I used to use it all the time

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Reason why I used to use it all the time

You know, I didn't even know what is was or what it did up until about 3 months ago because I never used it. I started out playing the way I still do now, ABS 1. Some people were talking about it so I decided to try it out and see what all the fuss was about. I felt like instant alien as I immediatly took almost 3 seconds off my lap time. Felt very arcadish tho and definately not something I wanted to keep using.

 

[iainoflo85]

You know, I didn't even know what is was or what it did up until about 3 months ago because I never used it. I started out playing the way I still do now, ABS 1. Some people were talking about it so I decided to try it out and see what all the fuss was about. I felt like instant alien as I immediatly took almost 3 seconds off my lap time. Felt very arcadish tho and definately not something I wanted to keep using.

Well before I got my DFGT I couldn't drive without aids. So SRF was kinda normal for me, I soon learned to drive without it, then was able to switch off ASM and then eventually TCS. Took some practice, but I'm a better driver because of it.

Had I continued to play with the DS3 and SRF/ASM/TCS I would still suck.

 

[machinist1976]

Am I in the wrong place?!?


...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun. Calling this a simulation in any way is like calling this...

...a surgical simulator.

 

[Adrenaline]

Am I in the wrong place?!?


...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun. Calling this a simulation in any way is like calling this...

...a surgical simulator.

Right. It's not realistic, so make it less realistic with SRF.

Like I said, anyone with a logical argument, feel free to step up.

 

[lldantell]

Am I in the wrong place?!?

...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun. Calling this a simulation in any way is like calling this...

...a surgical simulator.

Where you get that garbage from?

 

[montez34]

Am I in the wrong place?!?


...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun. Calling this a simulation in any way is like calling this...

...a surgical simulator.

Irrational and stupid comparison. Gran Turismo 5 says "The Real Driving Simulator" right on the cover, it's about as close as you can get to driving a car without doing it for real. Operation doesn't say "The Real Surgerey Simulator" on the box does it?

THIS THREAD IS WAY OFF TOPIC.

 

[iainoflo85]

THIS THREAD IS WAY OFF TOPIC.

Yes, but it is fun reading.

 

[machinist1976]

They can put whatever they want on the box, but in reality, its a game/toy.

 

[SirAlanClive]

You know, I didn't even know what is was or what it did up until about 3 months ago because I never used it. I started out playing the way I still do now, ABS 1. Some people were talking about it so I decided to try it out and see what all the fuss was about. I felt like instant alien as I immediatly took almost 3 seconds off my lap time. Felt very arcadish tho and definately not something I wanted to keep using.

Jesus CargoRat...you know what they say about that first taste. Careful man, careful. I'm still untainted, mostly because of the reasons you gave above. (I found out what it was 9.5 hours ago).

Am I in the wrong place?!?

Probably

...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun.

Oh no, silly you! You're in a place reeking of adrenaline and testosterone where we regularly measure the quality of our lives by the results we get. Better than sex etc.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Am I in the wrong place?!?


...because honestly, I thought I was on a forum board about a video game, as in a toy, as in sold at Toys R Us. You know, a way to have fun. Calling this a simulation in any way is like calling this...

...a surgical simulator.

Never said it was a real driving simulator, even tho thats what it says on the case. Also, you are comparing apples and oranges here with that. If you have a problem with this game being called simulation, well then you better take that up with PD because they are the ones that put it on the description, not none of us.

 

[basswerks1]

Jesus CargoRat...you know what they say about that first taste. Careful man, careful. I'm still untainted, mostly because of the reasons you gave above. (I found out what it was 9.5 hours ago).

Probably

Oh no, silly you! You're in a place reeking of adrenaline and testosterone where we regularly measure the quality of our lives by the results we get. Better than sex etc.

This post had me lmao !!

 

[Dalone]

Wow, what a hornets nest, anyway for the record.

For Cargorat who suggested no one called those who use SRF 'cheats'. The following by Adrenaline, yesterday.

"My initial point was, you have 75PP of advantage to play with, why limit your PP and then cheat anyways?"

Stotty said;

"But I'll put it my point above in another way... there's no relevence between laps run with SRF on and laps run with SRF off. "

Except between those who use SRF, and by my reckoning they are just as important here as those who don't.

And those who talk about this game being a 'Real Driving Simulator' therefore SRF is cheating or similar, I would say that lowering ones PP is so far out of the ball park when it comes to real life driving that the concept is practically absurd. But no one questions that aspect of reality.

But it must be remembered that lowering the PP here considerably reduces ones ability to win, using SRF or not, and reducing it drastically makes it a real challenge.
I reduced it drastically, to 510PP, and still won. And as far as I know no one else has bettered that.
I understand the benefits of SRF and never deny using it, and many do use it, so it's as relevant as not using it. For those who do.

And Adrenaline said, regarding his, 'doesn't play well w/others' tag';

"You kids do realize I personally put that there, right?"

Yes, us kids do know that, however this 'kid' in particular is an aged pensioner, sonny.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I reduced it drastically, to 510PP, and still won. And as far as I know no one else has bettered that.

There will be a lot of skilled racers that won't reach that PP because they do not want to use SRF. If you truly learn the physics when SRF is switched on, you can abuse it to gain 3-4 seconds per lap compared to having it switched off. Heck, with something like a stock Elise at Cote D'Azur, you can make that 6-7 seconds.

With SRF on, you purposely over cook the entry to every corner as that quickly activates the SRF system. It will add tremendous grip to the tyres and haul it round the corner beyond what is physically possible, with your foot mashed to the floor way earlier than normally possible as well.

I normally drive with all aids off, including no ABS. However, I drive in McLarenDesign's room on a near nightly basis, where SRF is the norm, so I feel I have a good experience of both physic codes. When switching to SRF on or off, you have to completely change your driving style.

 

[Dalone]

Apart from earning money here, these races are all about lowering the PP and still being able to win. An amusement between the TT's.

I am constantly at 20 mill, like most I expect, and so the money is irrelevant, the challenge is to reach the lowest possible PP, that's the fun part, after all the races have been won of course.

Lowering the PP drastically is no more absurd than using SRF in my opinion.

Seems though that there are some people, Adrenaline in particular, who feel that by doing so they will be seen as inferior, lesser beings, so to maintain their lofty image they wouldn't try a 'drastically' low PP using SRF.

Alas, for all we know he may well have tried a drastically low PP with SRF on and failed.

He certainly hasn't posted a drastically low PP time.

In that regard all I can say is, 'You no playa da game, you no maka da rules'.

I fully agree with Lewis's post above, we all know how SRF benefits us. (I read his post after I had already posted mine)

But if drastically low PP's require SRF to be used, isn't that just another aspect of the game?

It doesn't make one a bad driver (naughty boy) to use it occasionally just to achieve a very low PP, does it? Good racers will still remain good racers, or does Adrenaline think that by using SRF here he will forever be branded a loser? Poor boy.

Anyway, my 510PP stands as the lowest PP because he can't match it. I can live with that.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Wow, what a hornets nest, anyway for the record.

For Cargorat who suggested no one called those who use SRF 'cheats'. The following by Adrenaline, yesterday.

"My initial point was, you have 75PP of advantage to play with, why limit your PP and then cheat anyways?"

Stotty said;

"But I'll put it my point above in another way... there's no relevence between laps run with SRF on and laps run with SRF off. "

Except between those who use SRF, and by my reckoning they are just as important here as those who don't.

And those who talk about this game being a 'Real Driving Simulator' therefore SRF is cheating or similar, I would say that lowering ones PP is so far out of the ball park when it comes to real life driving that the concept is practically absurd. But no one questions that aspect of reality.

But it must be remembered that lowering the PP here considerably reduces ones ability to win, using SRF or not, and reducing it drastically makes it a real challenge.
I reduced it drastically, to 510PP, and still won. And as far as I know no one else has bettered that.
I understand the benefits of SRF and never deny using it, and many do use it, so it's as relevant as not using it. For those who do.

And Adrenaline said, regarding his, 'doesn't play well w/others' tag';

"You kids do realize I personally put that there, right?"

Yes, us kids do know that, however this 'kid' in particular is an aged pensioner, sonny.

Must of missed the part about the cheating. Anyway, if you want to brag about your lap times with the training wheels on, you're only fooling yourself and not impressing anybody. Take the training wheels off, then we'll talk.

 

[Dalone]

CargoRat;

"Must of missed the part about the cheating. Anyway, if you want to brag about your lap times with the training wheels on, you're only fooling yourself and not impressing anybody. Take the training wheels off, then we'll talk. "

I could just as easily say that anyone who can't match my time is a loser, or scared to even try. And I'll bet a few here have tried without SRF and failed.

But how am I 'fooling myself' by posting the lowest PP win? You blokes can post your lowest PP without SRF and no one will even attempt to belittle you, and not because you didn't use SRF, but because you posted a very low PP win.

Why do some here get upset when someone like myself, who admits to using SRF here to achieve a very low PP win, posts it?

If you are a better racer than I am good on you, and I believe you are, I hold no grudges because of that.
But if you can't better my PP and win here that doesn't make you a better racer here, regardless of what aids (and there are many including but not exhaustive of; using a wheel, only racing when there is a weaker line up, using SRF, TC etc,) you choose to use or not use.

Horses for courses. It may well be that to achieve a very low PP here SRF is required, as I have said before, so I use it. And win with it.

Why that puts some people up on their high horses I can't fathom. No one is taking anything away from anybody after all.

Here's a heads up, it's just a game. A serious one albeit, but still just a game. Notwithstanding Sir Alan's very accurate description;

"Oh no, silly you! You're in a place reeking of adrenaline and testosterone where we regularly measure the quality of our lives by the results we get."

Ha ha ha.