A Direct Drive Wheel for UNDER $400...

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by Leadfoot53, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. PocketZeven

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    They updated their page a little. What is a sinusoidal mean for a brushless DC motor?
     
  2. Krassi

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    This is work in progress...nothing wrong with this for me..just the ppl paid and waiting to use it on specific date will need to wait longer. Because they paid the price to have it before others....and on the date that the wheel was promissed to be in their hands - the backers read that the production will start soon;) Ofcourse better to wait longer, but to receive good and working wheel. One of the things that I really doubt to happens and it is promissed is the future native console support coming to current sold wheels. By native means not to use DriveHub which is not real support coming from Feel VR.
     
  3. Benzy2

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    Sinusoidal control should produce a smoother motor all things equal. The question is if all things are equal.
     
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    I spoke with the guys from Feel VR and they accepted to answer to my questions like interview with sent questions. So, guys ask your questions here - we will choose better ones around 10 questions is ok and in Monday will give them the list with questions to answer.

    With received questions they cant avoid answers!:)
     
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    1. complete description of the motor, electronics and how the wheel performs. >>> Smoothness, acceleration, inertia etc ... .
    2. Price of course for the whole package. >>> wheel + pedals
    3. Release date
    4. How many degrees of rotation. Is the rotation unlimited?
    5. Are they to be trusted when a warranty issue arises?
    6. Compatibility with race sims, such as Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, future race sims such as Dirt 2.0. Much older arcade games such as 1nsane and race games such as Wreckfest.
    7. Are they keeping that odd/ugly looking toyish design?
     
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    Is there torque loss(and how much) due to heat fade when used at full power for a long time.
     
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    In relation to @kikies #5 question : What about support? Thinking about local support/resellers on the longer term?
    Software support is remote or mail but what about hardware failure (which can happen because of mechanical moving parts)

    Have they sent and have sim devs tested their Feel VR product?
    Do these companies embrace this solution? Have they already had the chance to test this new piece of simgear on the market?
    E.g Kunos, Sector3, Studio397

    @Krassi: thanks for collecting and sharing these Q&A
     
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  8. Krassi

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    I will add mine last here, because is good yours to have advantage...some of mine are similar to asked ones already;)

    I have exactly same things to ask, very good questions... I really want to know how everything is planned for the warranty and repair centers are planned localy to US and Eu or not.... also how will be managed replacement procedure....and last but not least not only devs , but how many simracers was involved in Beta test worldwide....My predicition is 0, but wanna hear their answer... for me testing in your close circle is not real testing.... around the world different ppl on different electricity and climate etc can do the job better!;)
     
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    This game MUST BE MADE COMPATIBLE.

    1nsane


    Very important question @Krassi

    • Is it possible to test this wheel somewhere before buying it?
    • Are the electronics built in the wheel housing or is there a separate box?
     
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  10. Krassi

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    I will ask for good explanation what is what in the package! From what I know - electronics is inside wheel base withthe motor , but you have separate box with the power suply... Btw the Fanatec Podium will have this external power suply, too...In the best posible solution will be a brick...
    For testing I dont see any reasonable solution....for example where you can test Fanatec line without going to Fanatec headquarter??? The guys from Feel VR will give you testing if you travel to Ukrain I think;) Btw, in general testing thing is not very helpfull - a guy that was on Simracing Expo complained that Podium wheel was set too strong:) The best and the only reasonable way for me to test is to go to your friend which have this wheel and to have your time and test it. Any other test is just to say - I tested it!;)
     
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    Of course it is possible to test the wheel outside their headquarters. Let's say that they are going to attend a game expo somewhere in Europe, I could go there and test the wheel, I don't have to go to the FeelVR headquarters. I disagree that a general testing is not very helpful. About two years ago, I was able to test the AccuForce and immediately felt a huge difference between the G27 and the AccuForce. I then knew that a DD wheel is the way to go. Because one guy complained that the Podium wheel was set too strong is absolutely no reason and even unlogical to say that a general testing at an expo is not very helpful.

    Thanks for helping us!
     
  12. Krassi

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    It is not helpfull to check a new product and give this product proper state....you will never know what is possible to be doner with any wheel, nobody will leave to test alot of time testing different titles etc...I am speaking for DD wheel which I have like type of wheel and gotta say that to see its qualities compared to you needs and preferences you need some time and tests....on public events you just test for testing - you never do real test. When you asked is it possible to test - I though like permanent place , not events - ofcourse on some events you can have a boot with Feel VR, but as I said there you cant feel the real thing - unless you didint go earlier, made friends in Feel VR team and stay there to test an hour;) I have around 60 events behind me and for those that going to event and feel the real qualities of racing title or real qualities of real product - this is not possible. Those events are made for fun, to show that the product is finally made, to show that the product will survive at leat one full event etc...
    Another thing is that on events sometimes happens the companies to use some slightly different hardware/software inside the box. So, thats again makes the things even more impossible to feel the retail product qualities.
     
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    I have the feeling that you don't understand what I'm saying. It is very much possible to test a wheel at events, even though it is only for a short while. It seems that you didn't my entire post because I said that I had the opportunity to test the Accuforce V1 for a very short time and in this very short time I could say a lot of the potential of the Accuforce, compared to the G27 or not is even beside the question. Although I felt the difference immediately. Because you don't feel or won't be able to the quality of a DD wheel at events doesn't mean that I won't be. ;)

    I'm 100% sure that I won't need a full hour to know if I I'm interested in the FeelVR or not. Even 10 to 15 minutes is enough. BTW of course you can feel the real thing. It is not a fake FeelVR wheel they have at these events. And I think, but I'm not sure that it is even possible, if you ask politely, to adjust some settings in the software to my liking and try the wheel.

    No those events are not for fun. Those events are a marketing thing to show new products to the public, to advertise their new products. To let people or potential customers try out their new products.
     
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    I believe you didnt read what I write! LoL And Everything on the world is different from G27 and have potential! LoL Anyway I am stopping with this - nobody can beat you on writing - on quantity I mean!:)
     
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    Ok, we stop but only after this. I read your post carefully. Why do you know this because I was quoting stuff you said. ;)

    I also said that compared to the G27 or not. You probably didn't read this comment of mine either. You don't know me and I'm 100% sure, as I said before, that I'm going to like the FeelVR or not when I have to opportunity to try it even at events. My proof >>> me testing the Accuforce for a short time and finding out the possibilities, realism, directness of a DD wheel (not compared to the G27 but in general) and that is what have been saying.
    Because an event is not enough time to test a wheel for you personally doesn't mean that it isn't enough for me.

    Don't forget, it is you who quoted me and started saying that testing the FeelVR is only possible if I should go to Ukraine. Well, I beg to differ (personal opinion).

    BTW it was a question I wanted you to ask FeelVR. So I don't know why you made such a fuss about me wanting to test the FeelVR at an event.

    I hope you are still going to ask FeelVR if they are going to be present at an event in Europe?
     
  16. Krassi

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    Just to mention - I postponed the QA to FeelVR, because waited their update to be released. I`ve beed told when I spoke for the interview that update will come answering alot....so I preffered to wait and after it to ask separate questions for separate answers - not to be redeirect to read the forum like avoidance of my questions!;) SO, I suggest you guys to read this update:
    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/feel-vr-the-affordable-direct-drive-racing-wheel#/updates/all

    I was a bit suprised how far are the things from shipping at this moment! But read for yourself and we can discuss! The QA will happen ofcourse, just we have new info for it now!:)
     
  17. Benzy2

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    We will be lucky to have product in hand by this time next year. This group has zero production experience and that is a real eye opener to those good at testing, DIYing, and prototyping. I think they may be able to pull it off at a quality they want and a price they have stated but it won’t be quick.
     
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    Dont wanna say it - but from the update looks on the promised release date they start to search for production options....I was surpised at least!:) I hope after receiving my questions to answer to them!:) Will not spare them for this strange moves!;)
     
  19. Benzy2

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    It’s why I didn’t preorder. It sounds like a deal too good to be true. If it were easy to sell a top tier set for that price, everyone would be doing it. Either quality gets cut, price goes up, or it takes forever to get worked into production as you wait for down times from the OEM to fit you in. Or a combo of them. The old saying of “Fast, Good, and Cheap....pick two” seems to be very real here. Hopefully they stick with Good and Cheap.
     
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    Its not only about the price. I think that when you start kickstarter campaign - you already did calculations , found production options etc and only need the money, right?
    From the last update my trained eye see that they firts start campaign, then took the money, then dont know what they did for half year period and now they start to organise and to produce prototypes of those products....in general backers was promised today as we speek to have a set at home to use it. In the update I see concerns for the wheel production and only light in the tunel for the pedals....
     
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    These guys are from Ukraine aren't they? Let us hope Russia won't go to war with Ukraine or this FeelVR story will be nothing more than a story.
     
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    Or you will see russian tanks with DD turret rotation!:)

    They will not make a war - nobody wants war - the FeelVR I hope will advance from now . For me february date for second batch will not happens even for the first! So, lets hope in the spring we will see working FeelVR wheel!;)
     
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    Is there any more news about the FeelVR?
     
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    Batteries on a steering wheel?

    :confused:
     
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  26. Krassi

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    I was surprised from the battery type...not internal, but 2 AAA....in general AA or AAA looks more old skuul, but it have its advantage from the internal battery...Microsoft uses AA batteries in Xbox controllers for the fact that you can change batteries and continue to play without stoping for charging or connect with cable.
     
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    I'm still very much interested in the FeelVR + pedals.
     
  28. Benzy2

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    Probably a Bluetooth interface rather than wired.
     
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  29. kikie

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    Yes, the connection is wireless, just like the DD wheels.
     
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    Does anyone know:
    - what the rim size is on the GT and F1 wheels?
    - which countries this ships to?