A.R.C#2 ( Final Warm Up)

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Originally posted by GT3mich
Time to post a run in the slower version.
8.285 / 27.137 / 47.966 1'16.011
Nuf said.:lol:
You guys can't have all the fun.:p ;)

:tup:GT3mich!!! Nice run!!!

What the heck... I'm already off the podium anyway:D

Come on stand down here with me for awhile other guy(see below for explanation):cheers: I'll buy you a beer.

phattboy
 
I used Sunday evening in the 190 speedster.
Full throttle all the way except first and last turn, a perfect line and steady as a rock. Still way behind.

AHA. Got to be the settings then. Made some major improvements to Mr P's settings. :lol:
Result: Nothing. Hmm, what's left. :confused:

AHA. The gears your fool, phattboy told you to keep an close eye on the gears. Loaded Mr P's setting again drove one lap closely observing the gears and the shifting.
Result: 1'18.444. 0.7 secs of my time. Pure luck. :irked:

Back to the gears, experimented a lot and made some major improvements.
Result: Nothing. Hmm, whats left. Full throttle, perfect line, steady as a rock. :confused:

AHA. Tomorrow I'll go look for the shortcut. :D

EDIT: 30 min. morning session before work, got it down to:
1'17.846 (08.327-27.949-49.348) And now even more perfect. :)
 
Great times guys 👍

Updated

here's a small rally clip that was posted on IGN :D had to post it as it's only short but pretty cool footage 👍

http://www.grandmasterspianos.com/rallymasters.wmv

:cool:

btw @ Mich going by your T3 in the 190hp you lost .4 on your total time ;) 1st place is just around the corner ... only faster :p

Keep em coming :)
 
Originally posted by Mr P


btw @ Mich going by your T3 in the 190hp you lost .4 on your total time ;) 1st place is just around the corner ... only faster :p

Keep em coming :)

I noticed that.:trouble: I'm not done yet.
 
Great Runs GT3mich !!! :cheers:
:D If I find out WHO woke you up they're gonna get more than a "Dirty Look"!!! :irked: :irked: :irked: :lol: ...UB57 :D
 
Originally posted by NielsG

AHA. Tomorrow I'll go look for the shortcut. :D

EDIT: 30 min. morning session before work, got it down to:
1'17.846 (08.327-27.949-49.348) And now even more perfect. :) [/B]

:lol: :lol: :lol: I already looked for the shortcut... couldn't find it... if you do, sneak me a PM and let me know where it is. Will send money:lol: :lol: :lol:

On the other hand (and maybe you already know this), your T-times tell me you are getting into sector 1 really fast. However, there is a loss in your t-times by about 1.2 seconds overall in sector 2 and sector 3 compared to Mr P's time. Additionally, even more can be gained in those sectors if you look at GT3mich's sector times.

Maybe this will help... My problem in those areas almost all boils down to three areas:

Problem area 1) I would overshoot entering the first bend at the end of the straight. I would make the jump and turn at ever so slightly the wrong angle causing the car to either swing the butt out or the entire car to swing way wide (almost to the wall). The subsequent loss in momentum cannot be picked back up.

I believe this is what Mr. P was talking about in Post 78 when he said, "a very frustrating repetitive bend 1 scenario took my drive away..." (Correct me if I am wrong Mr. P) He was trying to get that corner just right because with the 190HP car, the entire rest of the race depends on maintaining the momentum at that corner. (Whoever wins this race in the end I suspect will have to admit that what set up their run was a lucky hit on the "sweet" spot on the first corner and finding the line through the last corner to go up the street to the finishline.)

Problem area 2) Right after the first turn, you go around the bend to the right under the overhead. Then, coming out of there you make a left, slight right, gentle left and then to the right as you go down the rise. It is awful easy to not get that series quite right. For me it all boils down to exiting the corner to the right as you go down the little rise headed to the exit of t-2 into t-3. If you overshoot there, there is a big loss of momentum. If you come out of that corner pointed almost directly at the "V" and haven't swung the butt of the car much through that series of turns, you nail t-2 in the low 27.xxx.

Problem area 3) In sector 3 you exit the "V" come down the long hill past the outcrop(slight left) then make the transition to the right then left exiting sector 3 and over the hill to the last corner. I kept overshooting the transition to that right hander resulting in a big momentum loss up that little hill and back to the left shooting my t-3 time down to 49.xxx.

Ultimately, these were the areas I've been working on and have gotten to the point where my last sector is down there with GT3mich at a 47.9xx almost regularly only to blow the last corner where you transition from dirt to tarmac. Mr. P has that corner nailed and for the life of me, I cannot find that line so I got frustrated with it and walked away for awhile. I think, in retrospect, having a t-3 time lower than 48.1xx might mean you are traveling too fast to actually set up the last corner properly. If that is true, then Mr. P might actually have about as fast a time as can be had.

Judging by the last couple of posts here between Mr. P and GT3mich, that is where GT3mich's next work is going to be as well.

Hope this helps whoever might be struggling...

rant off
phattboy
 
Very cool post Phattboy :cool:

I may get back on the 190hp myself :trouble: but the 375 hp i already retired that one ........ THANK GOD !! :lol:

:D
 
Thanks Mr. P!!!:O I sometimes wonder when I get ranting...:D

phattboy
 
The final problem for me is the last corner where you transition from dirt to pavement. When I figure that out, I'll happy with my run.
 
Thanks to GT3mich: :cheers:
:D For my new "Secret Weapon"!!! (In a Chart I posted during my Diablo Series, GT3mich said he used AT w/his MOMO for Rallyes.) I just gave it a try & within 5 Laps w/NO other adjustments ran:

T1 = 8.403
T2 = 27.231
T3 = 48.233
Final = 1'16.252


Was able to run a coupla more in the 1'16.4xx range so am sure it wasn't a "Fluke." After this thunderstorm passes over I think I'll try "AT" w/the 375HP Version Thanx Again...UB57 :D
 
Originally posted by phattboy
:tup:GT3mich!!! Nice run!!!

What the heck... I'm already off the podium anyway:D

Come on stand down here with me for awhile other guy:cheers: I'll buy you a beer.

phattboy

Thanks anyway but I kinda like the podium :D

I had stayed out of the 375 car now for awhile now. I was running it then trying to get into the 190 and it was giving me fits :banghead:
First thing this morning I got back into the 190 and spent a couple of hours in it. It takes little different line through some of the corners. I can't run them both in the same day it confuses me :confused:

I'm on Mr P's bumper now. :trouble:

1:15.885 (8.502/27.371/48.062)

I have better T1 and T2 times so there is more that can be taken off :irked:
 
Originally posted by GT3mich
The final problem for me is the last corner where you transition from dirt to pavement. When I figure that out, I'll happy with my run.

In my previous post I had said:

Originally posted by phattboy
Ultimately, these were the areas I've been working on and have gotten to the point where my last sector is down there with GT3mich at a 47.9xx almost regularly only to blow the last corner where you transition from dirt to tarmac. Mr. P has that corner nailed and for the life of me, I cannot find that line so I got frustrated with it and walked away for awhile. I think, in retrospect, having a t-3 time lower than 48.1xx might mean you are traveling too fast to actually set up the last corner properly. If that is true, then Mr. P might actually have about as fast a time as can be had.

Judging by the last couple of posts here between Mr. P and GT3mich, that is where GT3mich's next work is going to be as well.

Since we seem to be in agreement this race all gets down to this last corner/transition from dirt to tarmac, I also want to add a to my previous post:

The fastest guy "up the street" in the tortoise version is running what is considered traditional tarmac LSD while the fastest guy "up the street" in the hare version is running what is considered traditional dirt LSD.
:odd:

For those who are still working up to the 48.really low/47.9xx T-3 time and have yet to dance the last corner shuffle, I also wanted to point out:

I have noticed that t-1 time is far less important as t-2 time. I have had some of my fastest t-2 times came on the heels of slower t-1 times. T-1 times depend heavily on where you burp the gas or tap the brakes or neither one just before jumping into the first bend. I am convinced T-2 times are dependent on momentum maintained after the landing in first bend.

@UB57... I see by your latest post that your t-3 time is down to where you are about to dance the last corner shuffle:D NICE JOB PARTNER!!! 👍

I'm still mad at it...:irked: I may or may not try again. Good luck to both you and GT3mich!!!

phattboy
 
I have a minor betterment :)

190 PS
T1 : 0.08.433
T2 : 0.27.645
T2 : 0.48.804
-----------------
T4 : 1.16.500



T1 : 0.07.631
T2 : 0.24.020
T2 : 0.42.501
-----------------
T4 : 1.06.596
 
Originally posted by "that other guy"
Thanks anyway but I kinda like the podium :D

I had stayed out of the 375 car now for awhile now. I was running it then trying to get into the 190 and it was giving me fits :banghead:
First thing this morning I got back into the 190 and spent a couple of hours in it. It takes little different line through some of the corners. I can't run them both in the same day it confuses me :confused:

I'm on Mr P's bumper now. :trouble:

1:15.885 (8.502/27.371/48.062)

I have better T1 and T2 times so there is more that can be taken off :irked:

Why does this not surprise me???:lol:

Kinda shoots this theory in my last post in the butt doesn't it...:D

Originally posted by phattboy
The fastest guy "up the street" in the tortoise version is running what is considered traditional tarmac LSD while the fastest guy "up the street" in the hare version is running what is considered traditional dirt LSD.

phattboy
 
Originally posted by phattboy
:lol: :lol: :lol: I already looked for the shortcut... couldn't find it... if you do, sneak me a PM and let me know where it is. Will send money:lol: :lol: :lol:

This may sound rather crazy, but sometimes I soup up my speedster to 375hp and try to break through the walls. Actually I'm doing very well, I'm only missing a few spots in the most remote corners. :lol:

Your analysis of my problems are very precise.

Problem area 1: Slowly improving this very difficult turn. I've been trying various approaches to keep momentum. After my run this morning, I wondered if the speed you carry out here may actually stay with you all the way through the T2 and down the hill. :confused:

Problem area 2: The more speed I carry from area 1 the more difficult this turn is. That makes its very hard to get the practice on this turn, because I usually mess up before, and when I eventually comes through with high speed I often overshoot. :irked:

Problem area 3: Here I've been more concentrated about the line and not the momentum. I'll have to give this area a closer look.

Problem area 4: Last turn. Still working with this one. Tried a new approach this morning and I can increase my speed over the first little hill with min. 6 km/h. That should give some tenth before the finish line.

Thank you very much for the response. This actually gives me something concrete to work with. :) :)
 
Originally posted by NielsG
This may sound rather crazy, but sometimes I soup up my speedster to 375hp and try to break through the walls. Actually I'm doing very well, I'm only missing a few spots in the most remote corners. :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: So maybe that is why GT3mich was needing so many speedsters delivered to the track... he was looking for the shortcuts through the walls too:lol: :lol: :lol:

phattboy
 
Originally posted by phattboy
:lol: :lol: :lol: So maybe that is why GT3mich was needing so many speedsters delivered to the track... he was looking for the shortcuts through the walls too:lol: :lol: :lol:

phattboy

No.. I was leaving a huge pile of cars up against the wall at turn 1 becuase I was missing the brake point and going air-born instead. :rolleyes:
 
:lol: Didn't matter if I made the brake point... Air-Opel flies again :lol:
 
I'm currently running the 190hp version on the wheel and it's quite annoying the last section is easier on the DS2 by far :irked:

here's my best save on the momo so far

8.130 / 26.934 / 47.911 - 1.15.979 :confused:

I'll keep running it as i dont want this to beat me like the AIR OPEL did :lol:

going back for more :mad: ... laters
 
OHNO the MOMO:nervous: :scared: :nervous: :lol:



(hey... I couldn't resist:lol: )
 
8.129 / 27.029 / 47.784 - 1.15.742

very squiggly after T3 but clean and beatable 👍
 
LDM rejoins the fray. :) Thanks to GT3mich for having the Opels shipped in.;)

1'06.293 (7.477 / 23.885 / 42.062)
 
Ok thats me done for tonight :) I'll get back on this when one of you guys beats it 👍

8.189 / 26.938 / 47.812 - 1.15.686

I reckon going by my best sectors i'm short on my ideal lap by .2

laters:trouble:
 
Mr P -

I feel terrible about doing this yet again, but events have conspired to force me to bow out of another ARC. My teamate, vladha, has had to drop out of the event due to RL issues, and the GTRC has finally been announced at my home board, the Numbers, and I have a team committment there. Even if I secured another ARC teammate, I wouldn't be able to devote enough time to both series to do either justice, so my earlier committment to my GTRC team trumps my desire to run with the elite you've lined up for the ARC.:O

My early exit from ARC1 and this notwithstanding, I hope you'll allow me to run when ARC3 comes around. Best of luck to all.

BD
 
Damn just when I thought I had em....he slips away again :banghead:
1:15.724 (8.408/27.307/48.093)
I got to get through T3 a little faster to catch you.

I am to tired to keep going tonight so I may pick it up again tomorrow. This low hp car is giving me fits :irked: Just get off line a bit or let the tail get to far sideways for an instant and it cost tenths at the line :mad:
 
Originally posted by jimeez
Damn just when I thought I had em....he slips away again :banghead:
1:15.724 (8.408/27.307/48.093)
I got to get through T3 a little faster to catch you.

I am to tired to keep going tonight so I may pick it up again tomorrow. This low hp car is giving me fits :irked: Just get off line a bit or let the tail get to far sideways for an instant and it cost tenths at the line :mad:

Most of you probably won't remember this... but:

Ya gotta jimeez!!! Ya just gotta!!!:lol:

phattboy
 
My new 190 PS Time : 1.16.145

You Guys are verry fast :eek:
a 1.15 isnt easy to arrive
 
I would agree with that Werner!!! Your time is no slouch either!!!

👍NICE JOB!!!

phattboy
 
New time 8.333 / 27.153 / 48.140 // 1:15.828 I know I can go faster. At least I figured out that blasted last turn.:trouble:
 
Finally got a chance to put in some laps over the weekend.

375 HP run: 1'06.798 (7.481/23.894/42.064)

190 HP run: 1'17.392 (8.639/27.872/49.122)

I have GOT to learn to use a manual tranny... :banghead:

....rikki
 
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