Abandoned Racetracks

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  1. psychoazubi

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    Yes, I know that the safety standards could not be matched back then. But it would still be okay for track days and low tier racing because the standards are lower overall. That would have been possible with a small budget.
    My biggest issue with the new course was/is that the old circuit was not only abandoned because of financial difficulties but also because the green party (which has always been very strong in Baden-Württemberg where the track is located) insisted on planting as much trees on the old track as they had to cut down to build the new one. Therefore, only small parts are left (e.g. the first long straight)
     
  2. Tired Tyres

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    No overtaking? Has DRS been dropped since I went to bed last night? I take it you just want car parks with Tilke tracks mapped out on them?
     
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    At a circuit like the old Hockenheim, where power was paramount? The Mercedes cars would be out of DRS range before the system was activated.
     
  4. psychoazubi

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    Following that logic I assume you don't like Monza as well?
     
  5. Tired Tyres

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    Are you saying that we should not have a track like that? Or are you saying that long straights are bad? Do you want EVERY TRACK to look the same? A car park with a Tilke track on it?
     
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    No, I want circuits where you can pass. But I don't want circuits where people think that the warm, fuzzy feeling of nostalgia somehow makes up for racing that is drier than over-cooked turkey.
     
  7. psychoazubi

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    What is a better track to overtake than Monza/Hockenheim? Lots of long straights and some hard braking zones. It's the cars that are wrong, not those tracks
     
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    Then you should be addressing your concerns over the design of the cars then, as they are the primary reason for no passing.

    Incidentally I've seen plenty of good racing from the old Hockenheim over the years. No rose tints required.
     
  9. Liquid

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    Old Hockenheimring was fantastic. But I accept it had to change thanks to medical/safety concerns.
     
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    I don't think much of Old Hockenheim, besides the scenery. Sprinting between chicanes isn't my idea of a good circuit.
     
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    It used to provide some decent racing. But the way contemporary F1's are sensitive with their aerodynamics and brakes are so much better now, it probably wouldn't provide as good racing.
     
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    I realise that now after going in to street view, was very depressing to see it look like that but glad they have named the streets after the drivers that raced there
     
  13. TenEightyOne

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    Rev limiters were a problem, must be my rose-tinted memory :D

     
  14. Liquid

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    Not so much abandoned, but I didn't know about the original Laguna Seca configuration. Corkscrew looks rather different as well as the lack of infield.

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    There's a part of me that's far happier about "giving the track back to nature" rather than towards mega-box commercial development.

    To be fair, much of the racing at the old Hockenheim wasn't that impressive, it was flat, too narrow, and limited runoff...although the sheer density of the forest was a unique aspect. While the latest configuration (2003?) is a much better racing and overtaking circuit, it's a missing a little personality in the process.
     
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    Some late breaking news. That above is not the original Hockenheimring. This below is the original original Hockenheimring. The one above was laid out in 1937. When the track very first opened as a test track in 1932, it used other lanes and backroads in the forest which wouldn't be revisited and looked like this:

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    1937-1963

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    1964-2001

    With some cosmetic changes to the Ostkurve over time.

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    2002-Present

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  18. Jcatz199

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    I'm sure most people know about this track but oh well.

    Nazareth Speedway.

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    Kinda sad to see a historic track go like this
     
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    Nazareth wasn't used to long ago either, isn't it owned by Roger Penske?

    Sad really, it had character for an oval, and gradient change haha
     
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    I'm not sure who owns it now. I just hope it doesn't turn out like Texas World Speedway.
     
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    What happened to that?
     
  22. Jcatz199

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    It got sold to a real-estate development. Sad to see a rare superspeedway go.
     
  23. GTPorsche

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    Nazareth, last I heard, was going to be turned into a shopping mall.
     
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    IIRC Texas World Speedway is going to become a suburb.
     
  25. Jcatz199

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    Yeah. I hope they put something there that says that this area was once a speedway.

    In all honesty I have been designing a 2 mile tri-oval super speedway with 20-24 degrees of banking with a 3.8 mile infield road course.
     
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    You can't win, sometimes: You either create the track in the middle of nowhere away from complainers and NIMBYs, to preserve it from future development. But then it's too far away to visit.

    In this case, the track fell into disrepair with a serious lack of maintenance by the early-1980s...only about a dozen years from its opening. (You mean we have to pave the damn thing? Fix spectator facilities? Provide adequate drainage and feeder routes?)
     
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    Some recent photos of Rockingham Speedway in the early stages of death.
     
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  29. LumpiestFish

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    They should redo Rockingham bit not cut the infield grass, crazy action
     
  30. SVPSkins

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    Isn't that were they filmed the test session of Cole Trickle in days of thunder?