Air restrictor breaks GT5 multiplayer

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superunknown800
Wow, that is amazing. Not one thread about this exploit?

The air restrictor makes a broken, hard to manage game even more broken and unmanageable.

As a game with no match making abilities something like this is just inexcusable. I will let you work it out, if you can. I'm not going to willingly give pawnstars another way to cheat the field.

Probably 50% of people are unaware of it. The other 50% pretend they are unaware of it yet uncannily exploit it at every chance they get.

So lets see who's up to "speed" (haha) with their engineering and automotive knowledge!

I have a set of regs that I use which "defeats the cheat" but you have to explain to every noob who turns up so it can take rather much longer to race then it should, but better then nothing.

Damned if I'm gonna get punked in my own lobby by some "shoob". There is no shortage of people out there who think I'm stupid. "My HSC isnt a concept car, honest!" or "why won't you let me use a Ford GT or R390 they are road cars".

Anyway my system effectively puts an end to those who come into a lobby, look at what you are using and deliberately try to pick something better/bigger. Needless to say alot of people are only interested in playing when they can win through exploiting others so many don't stay for a apples vs apples race.

Anyone feel me? Can you guess whats going on? Both them and me?
 
I know I used to race with my R390 in the past it's downforce better then some race cars lol I have stopped this recently as I like to try to challenge myself and race with the more challenging cars. A few weeks ago I ran a race with race cars like Super GT's and beat them with a Viper ACR. It's very rewarding to win legitimately with the under dog lol
 
In the famous words of the sadly departed Ayrton Senna, "I race to win", Is the really any harm in picking a car your most comfortable with ? If I see the Lobby owner with a LMP car ill pick something of a similar vain, If he's a smart alec saying try to beat me then I will pick whatever I want to do just that
 
adeadsnipermatt
I know I used to race with my R390 in the past it's downforce better then some race cars lol I have stopped this recently as I like to try to challenge myself and race with the more challenging cars. A few weeks ago I ran a race with race cars like Super GT's and beat them with a Viper ACR. It's very rewarding to win legitimately with the under dog lol
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First so you understand where I'm coming from let me say that I host races for production road cars. An R390 might say "road car" at the end of its name but anyone who bothered to read the details on their own car would know that it is really a race car that is ported to the road. Its like taking a F1 putting indicators on it and saying that's a fair match up against any road car. Obviously it isn't. Same goes for the Ford GT.
That's called exploiting the hosts knowledge and intelligence and the games broken regulations. I see it all the time.
 
Why wouldnt a Ford GT not be a road car? The R390 I can understand, but not a Ford GT. Can some on explain what I am missing here?
 
To begin your journey of discovery take, say a 1000hp Veyron and use the air restricter to limit it to say 400hp. Now look at your power/ torque graph.
Then take a car that maxs out at around 400hp and compare graphs.
So now are you going to tell me that a car that makes 400hp at nearly all RPM's is a fair match up to a car that only peaks briefly at 400hp? Totally defeats the point of the game.
I aim for regs which allow a wide variety of cars but who all have near identical performance. Its never identical, one might handle a little better but he will not have the straight line speed of another and vice versa.

This is the tip of the iceberg. There are many other underlying factors we have not even touched on.
Starting to make sense?
 
Probably 50% of people are unaware of it. The other 50% pretend they are unaware of it yet uncannily exploit it at every chance they get.
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And 100% are confused by this silly thead.

I am gonna take a guess and see if you are on about the fact you can tune a car to it's max torque with add ons, then remove the added horse power with the llimiter and still retain the added torque.

If this is the case, no, not unknown by many I wouldn't think.
 
Bushby_23
Why wouldnt a Ford GT not be a road car? The R390 I can understand, but not a Ford GT. Can some on explain what I am missing here?
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It was of my understanding that a Ford GT is esentially the road version of the GT-40, which is a le mans car. You never wondered why it seemed to perform head and shoulders above "actual" road cars before?
 
Ghost Rydor
It was of my understanding that a Ford GT is esentially the road version of the GT-40, which is a le mans car. You never wondered why it seemed to perform head and shoulders above "actual" road cars before?
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The Ford GT is actually the road going version of a Concept GT-40 made to commeroate 40 years of the original GT-40. Ever wondered why the road car is 40 odd years younger than the actual race car? Now you know...
 
Road version of any car is just that: ROAD version = road car. Rules required making a street legal version of the car in order to race the prototype or something close to that, too lazy to google it atm.

So Ford gt's and Nissan r390's have broken air restrictors or something?
 
Homologation

In racing series that are "production-based" (that is, the vehicles entered in the series are based on production vehicles for sale to the public), homologation requires not only compliance with a racing series' technical guidelines (for example, engine displacement, chassis construction, suspension design and such) but it often includes minimum levels of sales to ensure that vehicles are not designed and produced solely for racing in that series. Since such vehicles are primarily intended for the race track, practical use on public roads is generally a secondary design consideration, so long as government regulations are met.

Many sports cars are released to the public for the express purpose of meeting the homologation guidelines of a particular series or several series. In such cases numbers manufactured are often just enough to meet the minimum requirement for homologation by the racing series for which the vehicle was designed. Examples of this are the BMW M3 GTR, Celica GT-Four/Celica Alltrac, Ferrari 288 GTO, and the Nissan Skyline GT-R 'N1 models'.

So sir could I race you using a Peugeot 205 t16, No why not oh its basically a race car, Ok what about the BMW as posted above oh dear Same again, Darn it, Oh well where do you stand on the Zonda R perhaps since it is basically neither street or track legal, I rest my case.

Infact no let us List a few RACING CARS FOR THE ROAD
Lancia Stratos
Lancia Delta
Subaru Imprezza Pre 97
Toyota Celica GT4
Ford RS200
The list goes on and these are just rally cars
 
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I think he's griping about setting up races with a HP limit. He then uses a car tuned and maxing out around the HP limit. He gets upset when somebody uses a car tuned up to close to well over the hp limit, then using the HP limiter to drop the HP to the allowed limit, by doing so they get the torque spike of the unrestricted engine up to the HP limit allowed in the race (HP is based on torque and engine speed) and holding there to red line. I can see the gripe, but it doesn't seam like that big a deal.

Using road going super cars is fair game unless you restrict super cars or specific models. The Ford GT is a road car (not the GT40) so is the Nissan with "Road Car" in the name. They are both production models even if limited production. It's the same as a Enzo, that is Ferrari building a Road Car as close as reasonable to their F1 car.

If you don't want the big dogs involved, restrict them or super cars in general.
 
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The air restrictor is meant to work with the PP system. It fails when used with horsepower/weight limits. The PP system takes into account (however imperfect any such system MUST be) the power across the rpm range, not just peak power.

But the power/weight system was broken to begin with, so the air restrictor makes little difference in that regard.

And yes the Ford GT is a road car. It may have been built to resemble a historic race car but it has nothing in common with that race car except it's appearance. It's just as much a road car as any Ferrari or Lambo.
 
No they have nothing to do with the air restrictor argument other then examples of how people try to hood wink and one up you.

My lobby is called "Production cars". That's about as many letters as you can fit in the title and is the best blanket term. On arrival I tell new comers the rules. No race or concept cars. Give them a bit to see if they gonna hang around then tell them the specifics in regards to Hp and pp.

I am trying to avoid one horse races. What is the point of a game with 1000 cars if you can only ever use a handful of them competitively? No point that's what. You might as well play one of the smaller racing games that cater to a certain type of car better.

With my dual regs the races are always bumper to bumper without being "one make" with each car having its own unique performance/handling but ultimately identical in competitiveness.
 
Really sounds like somebody needs a tissue for his issue :P. Just joshing yah :P the HP limiter is a valid gripe but the Ford GT etc not being "road cars" is flat out wrong, they R! Production cars, even if limited production. I think you need just include "Super Cars " in your list of restrictions. Or say not cars defined with the HP limiter etc. You can set your room up however you like.

The thing about OLR is if you try to get others to conform to how you like to play, you'll find yourself eventually playing with yourself.

Good luck don't sweat the lil things in life, cheers.
 
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It has nothing to do with air restrictors? What? Well what is the title of this thread?

Ghost Rydor
Anyone feel me? Can you guess whats going on? Both them and me?
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You found Tommy Chong's stash?

It has always been a pain to 'handicap' cars in gt to get close racing with varied cars, nothing new here at all.
 
Yes you guys are getting it.

Maybe I need to change my title to PASSENGER Road cars? There is a big difference between a Celica GT4 and a R390.

I will tell you how I make this game work.

I pick what car I want to use which is always modded to max or at least 90%.
I tell everyone my PP and Hp. Because everyone tries soooo hard to win they can't help themselves but to pick cars with a capacity normally at least double my own. They then use the air restrictor to bring their Hp and PP down to or below the limit.
Because Gt5 seems determined to not let you have evenly matched races you can not set a pp limit in conjunction with Hp. So I get everyone to enter under one the I change it to the other. Anyone who's trying to take the piss or fails regs for some reason gets default kicked back to the lobby. Then we do it all again.
When everyone is compliant I start the race.

It works with out fail everytime.

Because they are always using bigger better cars they only ever need to match one reg and be under the other. We all end up with equally competitive cars.

Since weight and torque are still unregulated yet some how connected to pp it works great. You can use most what ever you want ( within reason).
 
Ford gt is in the same class as viper and corvette.

I think they're faster in game because KAZ owns a few ford gt's irl. :)


It would be nice if the limiting system wasn't flawed like that even jgtc cars become messed up.

Example.
Maxed mobil 1 nsx with engine cut to 502 hp

Vs.

Maxed loctite zexel gtr skyline with engine cut to 502hp.

Not even fair. Nsx has ALOT more speed. Because it had a higher starting point. Those cars will only be even in stock form.
 
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GrimSinn
Really sounds like somebody needs a tissue for his issue :P. Just joshing yah :P the HP limiter is a valid gripe but the Ford GT etc not being "road cars" is flat out wrong, they R! Production cars, even if limited production. I think you need just include "Super Cars " in your list of restrictions. Or say not cars defined with the HP limiter etc. You can set your room up however you like.

The thing about OLR is if you try to get others to conform to how you like to play, you'll find yourself eventually playing with yourself.

Good luck don't sweat the lil things in life, cheers.
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That's why I host my own lobbies and honestly I would rather not play at all then be pawned because other people won't play unless they can win by any means. At least 50% of people exiting my lobby are because I kicked them.
The other 50% quit because they realise that this room is unable to be exploited or they quit out half way round the track when they realise they can't actually drive when it come to the real world, (
Heavy damage max penalties)

I have accumulated a crew of people who like to play fairly and realistically on a daily and casual basis.

Everyone else is welcome to exit stage left if they don't like it.

I will have another look at the GT I may have been to hasty to ban, but I doubt it being its one of the noob cars that people like to spam, Along with leggara, GT1 etc.
 
There is a big difference between a Celica GT4 and a R390.

Is that so and would you like to explain these big differences to me?
The way I see it is that they are legally allowed on the road and had a production run if you can call it a production run, Still no matter which way you cut it the term is ROAD LEGAL which they are.
 
Oh, now I see what is going on here. You have a crew of people you race with and everyone else can exit. Have you ever seen that 'private' lobby icon in the game?

Why did you post this thread? Sounds like some sort of bragging deal and/or putting down gtp online players.

Ghost Rydor
That's why I host my own lobbies and honestly I would rather not play at all then be pawned because other people won't play unless they can win by any means. At least 50% of people exiting my lobby are because I kicked them.
The other 50% quit because they realise that this room is unable to be exploited or they quit out half way round the track when they realise they can't actually drive when it come to the real world, (
Heavy damage max penalties)

I have accumulated a crew of people who like to play fairly and realistically on a daily and casual basis.

Everyone else is welcome to exit stage left if they don't like it.

I will have another look at the GT I may have been to hasty to ban, but I doubt it being its one of the noob cars that people like to spam, Along with leggara, GT1 etc.
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These cars like the r390 and nsx prototype road car are RACE CARS! If it has adjustable front aero it's a RACE CAR!
 
NjLowrider
These cars like the r390 and nsx prototype road car are RACE CARS! If it has adjustable front aero it's a RACE CAR!
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Codswallop

Alfa Romeo 155 for example
The 155 was initially released with 1.7 L Twin Spark, 1.8 L Twin Spark, and 2.0 L Twin Spark petrol engines, the latter two with variable valve timing. The 1.7 L was not sold in the United Kingdom.
Please note
The most notable special edition was the "Silverstone" edition released in the UK which was known as the "Formula" in Europe: this was released as a homologation exercise to allow Alfa Romeo to compete in the British Touring Car Championship race series and consequently came with a bolt-on aero-kit consisting of an adjustable rear spoiler and extendible front air splitter.
Thank you :)
 

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