Air restrictor breaks GT5 multiplayer

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Ghost Rydor
To begin your journey of discovery take, say a 1000hp Veyron and use the air restricter to limit it to say 400hp. Now look at your power/ torque graph.
Then take a car that maxs out at around 400hp and compare graphs.
So now are you going to tell me that a car that makes 400hp at nearly all RPM's is a fair match up to a car that only peaks briefly at 400hp? Totally defeats the point of the game.
I aim for regs which allow a wide variety of cars but who all have near identical performance. Its never identical, one might handle a little better but he will not have the straight line speed of another and vice versa.

This is the tip of the iceberg. There are many other underlying factors we have not even touched on.
Starting to make sense?
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Pass the weed brah,
 
I think the real problem is that you're hosting these races in public rooms which means any riff-raff can enter, and riff-raff don't care about some rules that you've made up on your own. They just want to drive their X2010's backwards as fast as they can. Try organizing these races through GTPlanet where you can explain the rules ahead of time and you'll have much better luck. 👍
 
The OP makes mention that he always uses road cars that are tuned to the max or at least 90% yet goes on to say that his double regs room and rules means that its only for production cars and that anyone using a racing car, RM car or LM car gets kicked.

It really is a kind off contradiction because by tuning up any car to the max and having adjustable suspension, transmission, aero parts etc your road cars are now effectively race cars.

Personally i find the PP system to be just fine, i run in a room thats set to production models only with any tune and PP at 600 and iv seen at least 25 different cars take to the track and all be around the same level off performance.
 
StigsHero
I think the real problem is that you're hosting these races in public rooms which means any riff-raff can enter, and riff-raff don't care about some rules that you've made up on your own. They just want to drive their X2010's backwards as fast as they can. Try organizing these races through GTPlanet where you can explain the rules ahead of time and you'll have much better luck. 👍
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Thats a good idea, will look into that.
I'm not into organised racing as in everyone meets at a set time. I play quite alot though at the same times so people who are keen can always find me. I suppose that I could put the word out under the online section?
 
Ghost Rydor
Thats a good idea, will look into that.
I'm not into organised racing as in everyone meets at a set time. I play quite alot though at the same times so people who are keen can always find me. I suppose that I could put the word out under the online section?
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If you build it, they will come.
 
Another question,
can someone explain me why the Celica GT-Four (if I remember correctly) has been mentioned as being in some kind of "grey area"? Is there anything special about this car that lifts it up against comparable competition?
 
GTP_roadrunner
Another question,
can someone explain me why the Celica GT-Four (if I remember correctly) has been mentioned as being in some kind of "grey area"? Is there anything special about this car that lifts it up against comparable competition?
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The Gt4 is fine. I was racing against one the other night in my audi quattro 82' You are getting confused with the Ford GT. I don't own one and thought it was a GT 40 ( which I do own) which would make it illegal.
 
Ghost Rydor
those who come into a lobby, look at what you are using and deliberately try to pick something better/bigger.
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Congratulations, you just described every single person in every single organised motorsport ever.


Why do people keep forgetting the basics of racing? I know the idea of communism sounds great for races; everything equal and what not, but if you're not going to let me get ahead if I put in more/better effort that someone else, I'm joining another lobby/race/motorsport series.
 
I know what OP is on about and I don't give a damn.
I'll use my CLK-LM restricted to 650hp online, if the host doesn't like it I'll change car, simple as that.
PP restriction > HP restriction
 
Ghost Rydor
The Gt4 is fine. I was racing against one the other night in my audi quattro 82' You are getting confused with the Ford GT. I don't own one and thought it was a GT 40 ( which I do own) which would make it illegal.
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But thats not what he was refering to. Remember the GT-Four arguement about whether or not it was a car specifically made for homoligation like the R390 (which it isnt)? Thats what he was asking about.:dunce:
 
Bushby_23
But thats not what he was refering to. Remember the GT-Four arguement about whether or not it was a car specifically made for homoligation like the R390 (which it isnt)? Thats what he was asking about.:dunce:
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I think homoligation is ok as long as the OP can still beat the car When it shows up in his lobby.
 
PP solves the issue.

Kicking solves the remaining issue. There shouldn't be a problem, enfore the rules of your room.
 
This is always what happens when you try to race cars that weren't made to a set of rules, or were made to different sets of rules.
 
Wait, you mean people who race try to pick cars that are faster than others?
Those bastards!!


EDIT: Also, if you don't want people to use certain cars, start a lobby and kick said people. You don't need to explain anything to them and if you want to kick them go ahead. Complaining about people using OP cars on the forums has never solved anything.
 
Hes talking about the power limiter.
And I completely agree with you.
I use it sometimes to restrict my Golf if it's ten PPs over the limit.
But other than that, I don't touch it.
 
I should start a thread to rant about something, but Ill start typing halfway through my thought so no one can understand what Im crying about.
 
MintBerryCrunch
Wait, you mean people who race try to pick cars that are faster than others?
Those bastards!!


EDIT: Also, if you don't want people to use certain cars, start a lobby and kick said people. You don't need to explain anything to them and if you want to kick them go ahead. Complaining about people using OP cars on the forums has never solved anything.
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Pretty much dead on, except for the bold IMO. Kicking for no reason doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever.

People should always try to find the fastest car to fit in the rules. That way, the race is competitive. I've seen many people who seem to set rules and then expect no one to go near those limits. What is the point to doing that? Then it's like there are no rules and whoever happens to pick the fastest car wins.


Elbowz_11
No wonder why its so hard to find race rooms racing race cars..
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Fastest way to a full room is to make your room comment "Super GT"
 
MintBerryCrunch
Also, if you don't want people to use certain cars, start a lobby and kick said people. You don't need to explain anything to them and if you want to kick them go ahead.
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That's a pretty ass thing to do. If you want people to race using specialized rules, it isn't their fault if they don't follow them when they didn't know what they were in the first place.
 
I must say.. your initial post and the title are unappealing to read. If you don't like people using race cars blanketed in road-worthy equipment in your races, just add the rule of "No cars over a certain amount of money" as determined by you for what kind of production cars you're talking about because truly, the more you pay for a car the better it is usually :\ it's like that in real life too..

I'm just saying this because.. you will always have people argue against whether a car is road worthy or not, but they can't argue that their car is worth more than a certain amount.. a member on here made a great website that you can do a search within a money range which should help you.
 
Just another issue that exposes how limited the online mode is for this game. If we had proper lobby restrictions and/or matchmaking then this bug wouldn't even be an issue.

Sorry to you fanboys if I don't feel content constantly kicking people that aren't following what's in my 30 character room name. I bought a racing game not a chatroom admin simulator. Give me proper restrictions or matchmaking, it's on the back of the box and there's a whole paragraph on it in the manual FFS.
 
In case no one has figured it out yet (although Ghost Rydor explained it a while ago), this is my guess as to what's going on.

The power limiter seems to act more like some kind of electronic limiter rather than an actual air restrictor. It simply limits the maximum output of the engine rather than reducing the capability of the engine. The power curve is identical to what it would normally be until it reaches the maximum power you've set, at which point it becomes completely flat until high RPM, at which point it MAY decrease again depending on how much power the vehicle normally makes at max RPM. Thus, a super tuned car brought back down to spec with the power limiter will always be more effective than a car tuned to peak at approximately the power limit.
 
ghostrider135
The list goes on and these are just rally cars
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This is why Rally is so fun. :D
They MUST be drivable on the roads to be allowed on the rally tracks here.
If it doesn't have a reg plate, or similar it's not allowed.

I don't limit cars/I don't ruin a piece of art.
 
White & Nerdy
In case no one has figured it out yet (although Ghost Rydor explained it a while ago), this is my guess as to what's going on.

The power limiter seems to act more like some kind of electronic limiter rather than an actual air restrictor. It simply limits the maximum output of the engine rather than reducing the capability of the engine. The power curve is identical to what it would normally be until it reaches the maximum power you've set, at which point it becomes completely flat until high RPM, at which point it MAY decrease again depending on how much power the vehicle normally makes at max RPM. Thus, a super tuned car brought back down to spec with the power limiter will always be more effective than a car tuned to peak at approximately the power limit.
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Correct. But it doesn't have to be brought down to original specs for the performance difference to occur. Generally any car limited via the air restricter will incur an advantage.
My dual regs work perfectly untill you start trying to limit cars that are around 2-300hp higher then the set figure. Obviously you are getting into a whole other class of vehicle with such a large gap.

An example is a race I had at Cote de azur, 10 laps max damage and penalties. I set the bar with 97hp and 382pp with my 660cc Honda beat. So this random does what everyone does and tries to squeeze the best car he can in to the specs. An elise R. Now the race was still close but it was apparent by the end that no other car was going to be able to touch it and the gap was bigger then when the system is working. Because I own most the cars people use and mine are maxed out I can see what sought of race they should be in, in comparison to what they try to use it for. My general rule of thumb is pick a car up to about 100hp more then regs then detune to suit. You can see in this example that there are still inherent abilities that better cars possess that makes them easier to drive when used against much lesser cars, but its all common sense really. If you need an Elise R to compete against a Beat then you got issues.
There has to have been 200 cars that would have been suitable. If the throw down car is 660cc then it would be reasonable to use up to 1.5 anything higher and you are trying to hard to fit in a car that doesn't belong in that particular race.
These soughts of differences are most pronounced at the low end of the hp spectrum as cars that naturally make that sought of power are normally less then awesome in construction.
 
Ghost Rydor
Correct. But it doesn't have to be brought down to original specs for the performance difference to occur. Generally any car limited via the air restricter will incur an advantage.
My dual regs work perfectly untill you start trying to limit cars that are around 2-300hp higher then the set figure. Obviously you are getting into a whole other class of vehicle with such a large gap.

An example is a race I had at Cote de azur, 10 laps max damage and penalties. I set the bar with 97hp and 382pp with my 660cc Honda beat. So this random does what everyone does and tries to squeeze the best car he can in to the specs. An elise R.
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Perhaps it was what he had/what he felt like using. Nothing you've said has convinced me that he some vicious intent to win at all costs. Even so, why shouldn't he try to squeeze the best car he could into the race?


If you need an Elise R to compete against a Beat then you got issues.
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PP is an in game performance balancer. This driver could have thought all was fair. And again, his car fit the rules. He did nothing wrong. You as the host should have told him no Elise, but you didn't. He's not at fault.

trying to hard to fit in a car that doesn't belong in that particular race.
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If it fits in the rules, it fits in the race.

I'm not trying to be difficult or anything, but you seem to think that everyone should have your opinion when it comes to running online races. If I was in charge of your room, driving a Beat, I would have no problem with an Elise coming in because the car fits the rules (those selected in the options and those stated by the host). Unless the host says something, only the built in regulations are visible. Anything that fits is fair game, other players can't read minds.
 

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