All standards will become premium...?

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Ive made these threads my home, this is me, i shall say what my mind speaks :sly: Have you seen perhaps 97% of the rest of the forums :ouch:?

Your home yeah.

It's shared accommodation mate. Respect the other residents.
 
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They did the same with GT5. Why they included 800 standard cars? The reason was Forza. They used the 1000 cars as a marketing hype. You have to ask Sony about that point
I don't disagree that the whole "1000 cars" was part marketing, but I also believe Kaz wanted them in as he genuinely believed that they add something to the game, and they do.

But then standards are not going to be on PS4 - if we presume that GT6 will be on PS4 - Polyphony won't be able to get away with blowing up PS2 assets on PS4, and let's be honest, they haven't gotten away with it this gen, so it will be all about the premium car count. If Turn 10 continue to outsource as aggressively as they have done, PD are never going to beat them in the "premium" car count, as it were.

What I can't stomach is the rate at which FM comes out, it's too many too little time. Did they really need FM4? Seems like a way to just grab money to me. DLC the first day out on sale...seem what I mean?

I'm fine with a two year cycle, so long as the next game is a significant advancement, something which is debatable as to whether FM4 was. I'd be happy with GT6 this year if it added more events and significantly improved cust and mod options.
 
I don't disagree that the whole "1000 cars" was part marketing, but I also believe Kaz wanted them in as he genuinely believed that they add something to the game, and they do.

But then standards are not going to be on PS4 - if we presume that GT6 will be on PS4 - Polyphony won't be able to get away with blowing up PS2 assets on PS4, and let's be honest, they haven't gotten away with it this gen, so it will be all about the premium car count. If Turn 10 continue to outsource as aggressively as they have done, PD are never going to beat them in the "premium" car count, as it were.



I'm fine with a two year cycle, so long as the next game is a significant advancement, something which is debatable as to whether FM4 was. I'd be happy with GT6 this year if it added more events and significantly improved cust and mod options.

I think Gt6 needs much more years of development, GT5 isnt getting any boring anytime soon, it should last us until GT6 :dopey:
 
Standards will become premiums but I think that only a few will be sold as DLC.

The rest (wouldn't be surprised if some never make the transition) will be left for GT6. I also believe that GT6 will be on PS4 so I expect the highest LOD models will be jumping to the next gen (they are easily good enough for that).
 
GT6 will definitely be built off the foundations in GT5. Which is why Kaz and company are doing all this adding stuff to GT5 based on our request, which will make GT6 a less arduous task in building the core game. I can't see them making it for PS3 as GT5 really is taxing the PS3 at pretty much all it's points. But right now Kaz and PD are basically fine tuning the engine to be a bit more streamlined that it doesn't make your PS3 go thermonuclear while playing GT5.

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I'm fine with a two year cycle, so long as the next game is a significant advancement, something which is debatable as to whether FM4 was. I'd be happy with GT6 this year if it added more events and significantly improved cust and mod options.

GT5 is into it's second year DLC came out one year after it launched, would it be fair to consumers to launch GT6 in November of 2012? Most people are now delving into GT5's DLC and on top of that the Dev team is still hard at work shoring up the game as a whole. A two year cycle is just a way to get bulk payments out of your community, as with FM, DLC comes out within the first year and that's it. The next year they release a bundled disc with all the DLC on it for a cheaper price, but get this the DLC doesn't go down in price though. Within that year the newest iteration comes out so who is winning in this situation? Constant flow, new game full price, then DLC from day one, then release bundle pack when close to a year then around that time let us know that the new game will have better such and such...hmm, release new game start cycle all over again. It's not like FM team couldn't do what PD is doing right now or could they? Makes you wonder about having such a short schedule for a car game, my lease is longer than the life these games have before the new one comes out.
 
Standards will become premiums but I think that only a few will be sold as DLC.

The rest (wouldn't be surprised if some never make the transition) will be left for GT6. I also believe that GT6 will be on PS4 so I expect the highest LOD models will be jumping to the next gen (they are easily good enough for that).

The standard will never become premium. Ok there was a car in the last dlc and there will be a couple in the future. The reason behind this is the GT6 development and they will continue to build cars on GT6 level and than discrease the quality of the cars to fit it on the ps3 level.

This is what Turn10 also do. And you can increase the texture and some other things and the P Cars from Forza 4, GT5 will be in the game and look the same as the new cars. The PS2, Xbox wasn´t good enought to deliver all car details.

But PS3, 360 are. The cars may have much better texture but the design will be the same. So they just have to increase the texture and add some little things. And this is what the photomode of booth games do. They increase the quality of the cars so they look nearly photo realistic.

So Turn10 has a base of nearly 600 cars and PD nearly 300 car which is a good number to work on.... for both.

@ SavageEvil

I disagree. I like both cycles (2 years, 5 years) because i can play forza and GT without have to choose, because they have about 1 year differents. I really like that fact.

Turn10 may use DLC and the 2 years cycle to get money from the fans, but one car cost (with season pass) about 0,40 and 1 car in Gt5 DLC about 0,9.

And all cars are in little bit better quality with their unique and realistic sound. So off course they have to make money. And they choosed the 2 year cycle.... Why not? Both deliver and you dont have to buy a game :)

And both made a "Complete Edition" so whats the matter?
 
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GT5 is into it's second year DLC came out one year after it launched, would it be fair to consumers to launch GT6 in November of 2012?
If you took a poll I'm sure you would find many people who want exactly that.

The next year they release a bundled disc with all the DLC on it for a cheaper price, but get this the DLC doesn't go down in price though.
Get back to me after we see what happens when XL comes out.

Forza DLC is also cheaper and is actually based on fandom demand rather than just whatever Kaz wants to release.
 
Frankly, You add full AA, anti-flickering filters, higher lods and HD effects (smoke, shadows), you have GT6! : GT5 photomode in motion! the core is here, how about to concentrate where it hurts: SOUNDS, RACE MODIFICATION for ALL CARS, MORE GAMEPLAY OPTIONS (track days session, Duel, More Serie Championship (GT1,2,3; AMLS; DTM; ...), LIVERY EDITOR, etc...
 
If you took a poll I'm sure you would find many people who want exactly that.


Get back to me after we see what happens when XL comes out.

Forza DLC is also cheaper and is actually based on fandom demand rather than just whatever Kaz wants to release.

To be fair, I doubt the Aventador was Kaz's idea. Seems many people on GTP have been screaming for it for a while now. Wouldn't surprise me if PD included it due to the demands of the fans.
 
If you took a poll I'm sure you would find many people who want exactly that.


Get back to me after we see what happens when XL comes out.

Forza DLC is also cheaper and is actually based on fandom demand rather than just whatever Kaz wants to release.

That's the problem, have 3 iterations of the same game in one console cycle is nuts. It's not an adventure game it's a driving game, adventure games and games of that nature makes sense to do such a thing but a driving game which hosts cars and zero story how on earth does it make sense to buy the same game with a new paint job every two years? Not to mention after spending well over $100 on the game and DLC? A fool and his money are soon parted really does apply to gaming community. We shouldn't stand for this, PD showing what can actually be done in this day and age even with our meager broadband connection with updates and upgrades. Unless they are making major advances in the game engine, driving games should have at least a 3 year cycle.

Forza DLC better be cheaper considering you HAVE to pay for live. I don't get your comment about XL, considering XL comes with a $20 voucher for DLC yet released so it's a bit different from FM late release game with the DLC included and no voucher to snag essentially free content is there? PD first sets of DLC are assets they had already worked on and were not able to have done by launch that is why you see cars we didn't ask for. The Aventador was actually cried for, so I don't know how you could wrote that and read it with a straight face. You knew that before you even pressed the submit button. All I know about Forza is many people are usually like wtf is with some of the car released for DLC, most of the cars seem to make no sense at times. Like what on earth do you need a Rally/Hillclimb car in a game with zero types of courses in it? If the community asked for that then I am not sure I want to be associated with people of little common sense.
 
That's the problem, have 3 iterations of the same game in one console cycle is nuts. It's not an adventure game it's a driving game, adventure games and games of that nature makes sense to do such a thing but a driving game which hosts cars and zero story how on earth does it make sense to buy the same game with a new paint job every two years? Not to mention after spending well over $100 on the game and DLC? A fool and his money are soon parted really does apply to gaming community. We shouldn't stand for this, PD showing what can actually be done in this day and age even with our meager broadband connection with updates and upgrades. Unless they are making major advances in the game engine, driving games should have at least a 3 year cycle.

Forza DLC better be cheaper considering you HAVE to pay for live. I don't get your comment about XL, considering XL comes with a $20 voucher for DLC yet released so it's a bit different from FM late release game with the DLC included and no voucher to snag essentially free content is there? PD first sets of DLC are assets they had already worked on and were not able to have done by launch that is why you see cars we didn't ask for. The Aventador was actually cried for, so I don't know how you could wrote that and read it with a straight face. You knew that before you even pressed the submit button. All I know about Forza is many people are usually like wtf is with some of the car released for DLC, most of the cars seem to make no sense at times. Like what on earth do you need a Rally/Hillclimb car in a game with zero types of courses in it? If the community asked for that then I am not sure I want to be associated with people of little common sense.

I certainly was a bit like "Why in the name of all that's holy have T10 given us a Suzuki SX4 Dirt Trial car when the game has no rally stages?" :lol: but to give them their dues, most cars they do give us I'm happy with 👍
 
This is one thing that worries me about GT6... surely if they want to remove standards, it will be almost impossible to model 800+ standards to premiums.. and yet GT6 will have to be bigger and better (mostly for people who don't understand the GT series buying into it) So.. even if they have 500 premiums, which many of us would be incredibly fine with, on the face of it people will just think it has less cars than GT5 :scared:
 
Evil your embarrassing yourself with lack of knowledge on the subject. Please stop now.
 
You guys need to keep in mind that about half of the standards in GT5 are duplicates

In actuality it would be probably 400 or less cars for them to model
 
You guys need to keep in mind that about half of the standards in GT5 are duplicates

In actuality it would be probably 400 or less cars for them to model

Lol. You'd have triplicates then.
 
Some people are so ungrateful. You want standard to premium conversions? You get them, and you're still unhappy. So what if you have to pay for them? Isn't it better than not having a standard to premium at all?
 
Some people are so ungrateful. You want standard to premium conversions? You get them, and you're still unhappy. So what if you have to pay for them? Isn't it better than not having a standard to premium at all?

I agree. But you have to know that this is a Sony Marketing Fail. They said we will have over 1,000 cars in the game and everyone was so excited about that fact and all fans though this would be in the same quality.

So we know this isn´t what they delivered and some are not willing to pay for p cars, because they though it would be allready in the Release game.

I can understand that, but i agree with you :)
 
Some people are so ungrateful. You want standard to premium conversions? You get them, and you're still unhappy. So what if you have to pay for them? Isn't it better than not having a standard to premium at all?

Sticker #4 ! Thank you :sly:
 
I had a long post typed out, but other than telling you that XBox Live is irrelevant to this discussion and that you are being insanely hypocritical (though I think it might just be because you don't know what you are talking about rather than out of malice), I'm instead going to just touch on one thing:

All I know about Forza is many people are usually like wtf is with some of the car released for DLC, most of the cars seem to make no sense at times
Are you serious with this crap?



I mean, god damn, really? Where the hell have you been for any of the DLC packs for GT5 so far? Did you see the reaction when the second DLC pack was announced and had another Mini and another GT-R in it?
Nevermind how there was an entire thread full of people asking why PD bothered with the Leaf; or the collective groan that occurred when it became known that PD modeled the FF Mini Countryman rather than the AWD one.
 
Evil your embarrassing yourself with lack of knowledge on the subject. Please stop now.

How say you? Please provide your example? Perhaps you can enlighten me on this lack of knowledge that I lack but you somehow possess. What is this subject you speak of?
 
I had a long post typed out, but other than telling you that XBox Live is irrelevant to this discussion and that you are being insanely hypocritical, I'm instead going to just touch on one thing:


Are you serious with this crap?



I mean, god damn, really? Where the hell have you been for any of the DLC packs for GT5 so far? Did you see the reaction when the second DLC pack was announced and had another Mini and another GTR in it?
Nevermind how there was an entire thread full of people asking why PD bothered with the Leaf; or the collective groan that occurred when it became known that PD modeled the FF Mini Countryman rather than the AWD one.

I agree with you. And Evil you know have a track with a very long straight and no Drag Mode. And what is the sense for the track than?

We schould go back 2 topic :) Evil just failed :D :crazy: :sly:

And i fail with my english oO sry for that isn´t my main language only the third.
 
I had a long post typed out, but other than telling you that XBox Live is irrelevant to this discussion and that you are being insanely hypocritical (though I think it might just be because you don't know what you are talking about rather than out of malice), I'm instead going to just touch on one thing:


Are you serious with this crap?



I mean, god damn, really? Where the hell have you been for any of the DLC packs for GT5 so far? Did you see the reaction when the second DLC pack was announced and had another Mini and another GT-R in it?
Nevermind how there was an entire thread full of people asking why PD bothered with the Leaf; or the collective groan that occurred when it became known that PD modeled the FF Mini Countryman rather than the AWD one.

I say the more cars the merrier :dopey: I dont see the problem with a FF Mini :confused:
 
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I say the more cars the merrier :dopey: I dont see the problem with a FF Mini :confused:

The problem is there are already a bunch of FWD Minis in the game. How hard would it have been for PD to give us a Mini that's notably different for once?
 
All I know about Forza is many people are usually like wtf is with some of the car released for DLC, most of the cars seem to make no sense at times. Like what on earth do you need a Rally/Hillclimb car in a game with zero types of courses in it? If the community asked for that then I am not sure I want to be associated with people of little common sense.

This nonsense.

I realise the argument about Day one DLC.
PD want to charge for content already in the game in the case of Standard to premium.
A re skin.
 
This nonsense.

I realise the argument about Day one DLC.
PD want to charge for content already in the game in the case of Standard to premium.
A re skin.

a Re skin :lol::lol: they have to build the car back up from scratch. There definately not going to give us it for free, because the Standard model, which was just ported, therefore not worth charging for, is in the game already
 
I had a long post typed out, but other than telling you that XBox Live is irrelevant to this discussion and that you are being insanely hypocritical (though I think it might just be because you don't know what you are talking about rather than out of malice), I'm instead going to just touch on one thing:


Are you serious with this crap?



I mean, god damn, really? Where the hell have you been for any of the DLC packs for GT5 so far? Did you see the reaction when the second DLC pack was announced and had another Mini and another GT-R in it?
Nevermind how there was an entire thread full of people asking why PD bothered with the Leaf; or the collective groan that occurred when it became known that PD modeled the FF Mini Countryman rather than the AWD one.


I take it you can't really read nor comprehend the English language or something. In my post I said that the DLC that PD released thus far have been cars that they weren't able to put in the game when it was released. What did you miss that part? Or is it you just want to feign ignorance? PD has started releasing cars that people asked for and others are pretty much of their choosing and possibly what they had access to. These cars are a mix and not all about what we asked for, but guaranteed that they are all relevant to the game. Leaf is car of the year is it not? People complain because they lack knowledge, GT has never been about the fastest only, check the car list and see more than half are slow and just basically everyday cars. Mostly japanese but then again it was built for their market first and foremost. They are branching out unless you are ignorant of that fact as well. All comes down to availability accessibility and timing. You won't get everything you want, got the Lamborghini didn't you?

How is Live all of a sudden not part of this? Why is it everything on PSN is priced slightly higher than its counterpart on Live? What bandwidth is free I forgot this revelation. Nissan GT in the car pack, what's the problem? Nissan sure as hell has a partnership going with PD unless you seemingly have no idea what cars the GT Academy drivers use and which team they drive for.

You touching on the subject but saying absolutely nothing. What's the point of that? People wanted the Aventador, they got it. Sit down and enjoy it. The others were more than likely PD choosing because it's still their work and they have the final say on what goes in, the Leaf they saw fit that it should be included. Why complain about it, you don't have to buy it nor use it. The car has merit, it's an all electric car, just like the other electric cars in the game.

Japan is not known for monster hp cars, but PD can't go around releasing region specific DLC that would be stupid. But honestly look at the America auto heavy FM DLC, want to come at me and say that it's not biased? But want to criticize PD for including cars that they deem fit to include? You won't everything you want in this world, FACT! What is wrong with the Countryman FF? It's still a car is it not? I'm pretty sure that the FF is the standard Car and the one that mini pushes and AWD is the optional model just like with any dealer that doesn't specialize in AWD cars. What's the problem there?

With FM4 I am happy that I can purchase cars individually and not the entire pack getting crap that I didn't want in the first place. PD needs to split their packs the same way so you can pick and choose what you want. I read complaint after complaint, nothing more. Why did they do this, why did they do that? Personally I could care less about any new cars, I would prefer tracks more than anything else, I have so many cars to use it's absurd. More cars is a good thing but I would rather more places to drive my cars around on. Route X to me is a bit of a waste as it has no way of being used as an official drag course, I don't care about the other side of it and now that I see that it's just too damn straightaways I am less inclined to buy it. Only thing that I see useful is the acceleration tests which PD should have as a mode that would work on TGTT or the RedBull testing grounds. For every complaint there are plenty of valid points, but same goes for people who welcome the additions. Your point is well taken, I'll leave this alone. Since complaining about things already available makes a whole lot of sense.
 
a Re skin :lol::lol: they have to build the car back up from scratch. There definately not going to give us it for free, because the Standard model, which was just ported, therefore not worth charging for, is in the game already

Re skin in my book.
 
You guys need to keep in mind that about half of the standards in GT5 are duplicates

In actuality it would be probably 400 or less cars for them to model

Plus the premium Skyline R32, R33 and R34 are already modelled along with the Silvia and the newer Fairlady's. As well as the Mazda MX5'/Miata'/Roadster, Honda/Acura NSX, Honda S2000, the older Toyota Supra, the Mini, Phase 1 Renaultsport Clio and probably a lot more so each different type would only need minor changes to the already existing premium model as the base for it is already there, it would probably take them a couple of weeks to 'upgrade' all these standards to premium.
 
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