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DRIFT GOD
but look at what cars are reprisented for AMERICA:

CHEVEROLET: 3 CORVETTES & 3 CAMAROS

CHRYSLER/DODGE: 1 PT CRUISER & 3 VIPERS

FORD: FOCUS RALLY CAR, ESCORT RALLY CAR, MUSTANG COBRA and 2 GT40's

SHELBY AMERICA: 1 COBRA

PANOZ: 1 ESPERANTE GTR-1

clearly there are more cars here in the U.S that should be added.
Definitely. If GT4 doesn't give us more. :crazy:
 
Something to remember is that an SCCA Trans-Am car is a purpose built tube frame silhoutte bodied race car. The shape does resemble a road car but that is where the comparison stop.

And for anyone that says America doesn't have cars that can handle that's why at the Runoffs03 in SSC a Saturn SC2 driven by Mike Kramer won pole and led flag to flag against Proteges, Civics and Neons. In T2 you had a Firebird and Camaro top the Nissan350Z, although with a new shock/swaybar kit an already formidable car will be stronger. The SRT4's are proving to be quick in T2 this year, they will be in the hunt at Mid-O. Keep thinking American cars can't handle, you might get a surprise at a road course near you.
 
So another one of my old discussions has been reborn. As far as Trans-Am goes, I have two words for you. HELL YEAH! Now sure, you'll need fog lights for the cars to use them in night racing (or just ditch the NASCAR element of "no functional headlights. Or at least, have little lights like with the JGTC). I seen the Valvoline Runoffs mentioned. Ad one class in question is called American Sedan, or "A Sedan" for short. That class featured Camaros, Firebird/Trans-Ams, Mustangs (holla back, 98Cobra!), and I think there are Vipers too. Believe it or not, the Camaro has a road racing setup. That's what I recall about 4 or 5 years ago when "Car and Driver" magazine did a test on a Camaro and Mustang (still an unsettled rivalry). The Mustang was good at the drag strip, but the Camaro held its own on the road course. And don't rant on the Camaro. This is the car that got me into cars, especially the ones from the early-mid 1990s until it was discontinued with the Firebird/Trans-Am (BIG mistake). We like to tune things to perfection, so as much as muscle car lovers like saying that sport compact tuners mod for show than for go, the muscle car boys and girls can tune for performance. The majority of performance is mostly for drag strips, a "dirt" track or "short track" oval race, or maybe some weekend amateur racing.

But back to the topic at hand. Believe it or not, Trans-Am cars are actually lighter than NASCAR race cars. I think where your average 3400 lb stock car weighs in, a Trans-Am race car weighs in at around 2600 or 2900 lbs (convert to kilograms if you wish. Use my "Conversions" link in my signature). So I have faith in almost any American car for GT4. Because after all, American cars aren't REALLY made to run on drag strips and ovals. There are some who actually want to take on road courses. Some do it, some don't. But just because they are heavy on horsepower and weight doesn't mean they can't also be good for handling. So, good call on Trans-Am racers.
 
DRIFT GOD
but look at what cars are reprisented for AMERICA:

CHEVEROLET: 3 CORVETTES & 3 CAMAROS

CHRYSLER/DODGE: 1 PT CRUISER & 3 VIPERS

FORD: FOCUS RALLY CAR, ESCORT RALLY CAR, MUSTANG COBRA and 2 GT40's

SHELBY AMERICA: 1 COBRA

PANOZ: 1 ESPERANTE GTR-1

clearly there are more cars here in the U.S that should be added.

Indeed. But look at what cars there are for ITALY (two Pagani Zondas, one being a "lower" model, a Lancia rally car and a front-wheel drive FIAT and Alfa Romeo). Clearly there are more cars in Italy that should be added (no Ferrari, Lamborghini (technically) or Maserati).

How about Germany, the birthplace of the automobile? There's just two Audis, which use the same underpinnings, a trio of underpowered Mercedes and a scary DTM car, three different types of Beetle (which use the same underpinnings as the two Audis), three Rufs a Lupo and a single breathless BMW. No AMG models, no Brabus models, no Porsche, not one of the big three LMP cars (BMW LMR, Audi R8 and Mercedes CLK-GTR), no M1, M3, M5, no Audi Quattro (or Pike's Peak car, to compete with the otherwise-egregious Escudo) - the list goes on. And on.


You can't please all of the people all of the time. Someone's going to be missing a car. It is only natural that a Japanese computer game, made in Japan by a Japanese company, funded by a bigger Japanese company and released first in Japan, should have primarily Japanese cars.

We know that fewer than half the cars in the game aren't Japanese. Why complain about it? We know the Kazunori Yamauchi has overseen testing days for really strange cars down as far as Ginetta. Be happy for what is included - don't be unhappy that something isn't.
 
Yes, we have AS. Cars are heavily gutted and very little is left that is factory. Huge horsepower, small tires and over stressed pars make for some interesting racing.
 
Famine

How about Germany, the birthplace of the automobile?

Am I missing something Famine, I thought the Americans could lay claim to that with the Model T Ford in 1903.
Henry Ford is also responsible for the introduction of mass production and the assembly line.
 
Tacet_Blue
Am I missing something Famine, I thought the Americans could lay claim to that with the Model T Ford in 1903.
Henry Ford is also responsible for the introduction of mass production and the assembly line.
LMAO sorry that's funny, Henry Ford only pioneered the mass production line, it was Germany that created the automobile.
The birth of the car as we know it today occurred over a period of years. It was Vintage Caronly in 1885 that the first real car rolled down on to the streets. The earlier attempts, though successful, were steam powered road-vehicles.

The first self-propelled car was built by Nicolas Cugnot in 1769 which could attain speeds of upto 6 kms/hour. In 1771 he again designed another steam-driven engine which ran so fast that it rammed into a wall, recording the world’s first accident.

In 1807 Francois Isaac de Rivaz designed the first internal combustion engine. This was subsequently used by him to develop the world’s first vehicle to run on such an engine, one that used a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen to generate energy.

This spawned the birth of a number of designs based on the internal combustion engine in the early nineteenth century with little or no degree of commercial success. In 1860 thereafter, Jean Joseph Etienne Lenoir built the first successful two-stroke gas driven engine. In 1862 he again built an experimental vehicle driven by his gas-engine, which ran at a speed of 3 kms/hour. These cars became popular and by 1865 could be frequently espied on the roads.

The next major leap forward occurred in 1885 when the four stroke engine was devised. Gottileb Damlier and Nicolas Otto worked together on the mission till they fell apart. Daimler created his own engines which he used both for cars and for the first four wheel horseless carriage. In the meanwhile, unknown to them, Karl Benz, was in the process of creating his own advanced tri-cycle which proved to be the first true car. This car first saw the light of the day in 1886.

The season of experiments continued across the seas in the United States where Henry Ford began work on a horseless carriage in 1890. He went several steps forward and in 1896, completed his first car, the Quadricycle in 1896. This was an automobile powered by a two cylinder gasoline engine. The Ford Motor Company was launched in 1903 and in 1908 he catapulted his vehicle, Model T Ford to the pinnacle of fame. Continuing with his innovations, he produced this model on a moving assembly line, thus introducing the modern mass production techniques of the automobile industry.

The modern car, therefore comes from a long list of venerated ancestors, and its lineage will, hopefully grow longer as we progress!
 
Thanks _aj 👍

I didn't think Famine would post that about Germany unless he was sure.

TBH I knew there were steam powered cars before 1903 but internal combustion engines on the road in 1865...wow :eek:
 
If they would again include a classic Cougar, that would make me happy. It'd be nice to drive around in a '68 Cougar XR7 GTE with the 427 side oiler with dual quads, but I would settle with a '67 from GT2, since I own one irl. I was hoping that the '70 Eliminator on "the list" was going to be for sure. Guess not..
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I was hoping that the '70 Eliminator on "the list" was going to be for sure. Guess not..
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dont get discouraged yet, PD is still working out liscence agreements and they dont even have a full car list yet, we will just have to wait until they release a full list of cars here in the next couple months to find out what cars are actually going to be in the game ;)
 
These would also be nice:

Ford Mustang 2005 GT Concept:

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Shelby GR-1 2004 Concept:

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Cadillac 2004 CTS-V Race Car:

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Chrysler 2004 ME Four-Twelve Concept:

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Shelby Cobra 2004 Concept:

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Oooh I love that Shelby Concept!! :D
I saw a programme where it showed its design and construction...isn't that Mr Shelby himself driving it. He may look like an old man, but it was a joy to see him throwing that car around. When they presented him with the finished car to see if he approved...he was like a kid in a sweetshop :)

Every piece was hand fabricated, the engine was beautiful...damm I need a cloth :drool:
 
I'd like to run that Cadillac GT car, plus the new Cobra. The New mustang is cheese as is the Chrysler concept. The Caddy Gt car though is sweet!
 
saw a programme where it showed its design and construction...isn't that Mr Shelby himself driving it. He may look like an old man, but it was a joy to see him throwing that car around. When they presented him with the finished car to see if he approved...he was like a kid in a sweetshop

It was on TLC. And yes, that car was hot. Im not a Ford fan, but their performance V10 looks outstanding.
James-
 
GR-1 Concept looks like it's taken some design cues from the DB9 and Ford GT but I must admit it's very smart looking, what nationality was the designer?, the Shelby concept in my opinion looks too square to be a true successor to the classic cobra, something mundane looking about it especially the front and headlights. That ME12, it may just be me but I see hell of a lot of Carrera GT and Enzo in it.

PS That 267mph top speed is theoretical, many cars have been said to be able to do 250mph+ theoretically.
 
F1 cars cand indy cars can do 250 or something close, but a "theoretical" production model? No way. i can see 200 mph, but not much over that. Most supercars these days are at the 200+ barrier, but imo, anything over 215 is absurd.
James-
 
That to speed is not possible in that car, it lacks the power and it's not as aerodynamic as a closed cockpit car, sure it will be fast but nowhere near THAT fast. When people talk about beating the F1's record of 230 something Mph they usually go up around the 240Mph mark, the Veyron claimed 252Mph, but 260+ is not possible without a 2000Bhp + enigne and better aerodnamics.
 
king jame II
F1 cars cand indy cars can do 250 or something close, but a "theoretical" production model? No way. i can see 200 mph, but not much over that. Most supercars these days are at the 200+ barrier, but imo, anything over 215 is absurd.
James-

"Our original objective was to build a sports car that would outrun Corvette," Shelby said. "I never dreamed it would become the icon that it did.

Story by Ford Motor Company

*This is the theoretical top speed if the car were in top gear at redline.

Obviously it doesn't have the grunt at a mere 605hp (nice) to push through the air and get to the redline in top gear. I didn't see that small print at first. 267mph shocked me thats why I posted it...with two eeks :)
 
Also that would be in perfect conditions, very flat, very long stretch of very smooth road, with the perfect weather conditions and 0 wind. Basically, thats never going to happen. Theoretical top speeds are very often faster than the real deal, usually this is to grab a headline or two and get interest.
 
Yeah it probably could do that on a rolling road with no air resistance! Why it would be geared so high is odd :odd:

Still..its a gorgeous car, I like the styling, very modern, but still retaining the classic 427 bulges over the rear wheels. A long while ago my brother built a Cobra replica with the usual 3.5 V8i. I've always loved them 👍

btw the real things used to twist along the chassis as they went round bends, notorius for crashing! Most replicas handle far better :)
 
I do like that car exept for the front lights, I still think they should've kept the circle lights from the current Cobra and then smoothed them into the bodywork, I don't like the straight edges on them at the moment.
 
_aj
GR-1 Concept looks like it's taken some design cues from the DB9 and Ford GT but I must admit it's very smart looking, what nationality was the designer?, the Shelby concept in my opinion looks too square to be a true successor to the classic cobra, something mundane looking about it especially the front and headlights. That ME12, it may just be me but I see hell of a lot of Carrera GT and Enzo in it.

PS That 267mph top speed is theoretical, many cars have been said to be able to do 250mph+ theoretically.
The nationality was indeed American. Same guy who revamped the GT40 to become the modern day GT. Ford recruited him from some art school.
That GR-1 is built on the GT chassis, and is expected to replace the GT in 2007 when the GT will nolonger meet crash test standards...
Personally I like the GTR Stang. I pretty sure we American's can expect something similar in performance and styling for the 2006 Cobra when it debuts. There will not be a 2005 Cobra as the SVT TEAM is reworking two vehicles (Cobra and the Lightning), and SVT does most of the concept cars. And they produced the Ford GT. and the Shelby's v-10 engine. And I'm sure they where behind the GR-1 and the GTR concepts too. Basically these guys have their plates full. So they taking a year off of Cobra and Lightning production, reworking those cars for the newer models, getting the concepts polished to pre-production versions. And readying newer concepts for the show room. And that new Focus ST, it's basically the now retired SVT Focus in a sedan body, with some minor changes.
 
If you ask me... with all due respect to the McLaren F1 and the Carerra GT, the Chrysler ME412 is perhaps America's answer to some of the world's best supercars. People, the machine has a massive quad-turbo (or so I heard) with maybe 700 or 800 horsepower. So, I don't know if you say the car was developed by horsepower-crazy Americans, car designers who know how to style cars, or what. If the ME412 ever hits production, I'd love to see it in sportscar racing.

And as far as the new Cobra concept goes, I actually like it. It's been modernized, and I think it's sweet. I don't think it's boxy at all. It has nice curves, and it would be the rebirth of a classic car from Britain's AC Cobra, made in America with Shelby Automotive. Of course, I have mad respect for one of my fellow Texans, Caroll Shelby.
 
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