Anyone else feel ripped off?

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That way, the AI will drive even slower, making the races even closer.
Wait.
No they do not, not really. I did multiple tests, the AI race time went from 3:28 to 3:15 3:28 when I drove a very slow car. 3:15 when I drove a car that was fast enough or almost fast enough to win. No matter how fast my car was the AI never got a faster time than 3:15 and I did not place first until I got a low 3:15.

The Ai will make you think you can win with a slower car but you will fall short of the win and then when you go faster so do they up to the point that they hit the best times they are going to get.

In my test a 450pp race ran numerous times with a 300PP car 2nd place was the best finish, with the same car at 325PP I was able to win without a problem but was somewhat close. at 350 PP I blew them away
 
I'm certainly not suggesting they are where they should be, but GT6 as a whole feels more consistent than GT5. But yes, a lot of features are missing. To me it's a lack of what Johnnypenso mentioned, combined with putting priorities on completely the wrong things.
Ok so we have to do somthing other than voting with our wallets.
We can either give an F and go play something else or since we are here, we can keep posting all these things we thinks should be improved in a polite manner WITHOUT unconsciously accept the decline of this series or finding excuses for some unexplained gaps. Or without unconsciously thinking "if Forza is crap I'm ok GT to be crap as well" kind of mentality I saw with some people around here.
 
I'm only playing GT6 when I absolutely need my driving fix from now on, and crossing my fingers ProjectCARS comes out on PS4 really soon. Just tried to do a few races online in a lobby with a bunch of fast regulars. We got ONE race in, in the time span of an hour and a half. First the game locked up for 4 people and we had to leave and missed qualifying. Then qualifying went back to practice and gave everyone credits (instead of going to the race like it's supposed to). We finally get the race started, qualifying order is completely wrong, then 3 guys got put in last place from the bug on Ascari not counting laps if you go off.

Second race attempt, we switched to Grand Valley East Reverse. The race never even got underway, we tried to qualify twice. Both times it shot us straight back to practice and never started the race. Everyone got fed up and left.

PD has some SERIOUS issues they need to work out, this game is beta at MOST. I downloaded a free to play shooter beta on my PS4 that has less bugs than GT6. Brand new game on a brand new console. With the budget PD has from Sony and the time they've had to develop for the PS3 there's no excuse or reason GT6 should be this freaking bad.

GT6: missing features, the features that are there are flawed, sales numbers suck and now the price is $20 cheaper. I was going to say the physics are about the only thing done right, but with AI doing stoppies and cars rolling over for no reason other than cornering I'm not conviced that's done right either.

Charging full price for a beta? Rip off, period.
 
No they do not, not really. I did multiple tests, the AI race time went from 3:28 to 3:15 3:28 when I drove a very slow car. 3:15 when I drove a car that was fast enough or almost fast enough to win. No matter how fast my car was the AI never got a faster time than 3:15 and I did not place first until I got a low 3:15.
You're absolutely right. Them driving 13 seconds slower than they normally do when you drive an uncompetitive car and speeding up as you use better ones definitely shows that they don't slow down more the worse of a car you use. Just like them driving 18 seconds slower in the final lap of a race until you've caught up also isn't an example of them slowing down. And them letting off the throttle completely to match your speed rather than pass you of course isn't letting you win. And this? I don't even know what that is. Certainly not anything relevant, because they of course do not do that.


If jimipitbull is posting non-encouraged posts, then mister dog is also allowed to do so? Please enlighten me on this.
Yeah, actually. If jimipitbull is going to be "clever" and rebut arguments with statements like "artificial intelligence means it's not real so your problems with it are imagined" like he did last time an AI discussion occurred, why wouldn't others have the right to comment on how obvious it is that he's not actually saying anything?



I am certainly curious what constitutes "good discussion", though; since this post seemed to be of the required quality but mister_dog's is bad enough to go on a detailed rant.



As a somewhat related aside, seeing this:
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On every single post that is even vaguely pro-GT (no matter how detached from reality or hypocritical the post in question happens to be) gets more and more amusing the more it pops up.
 
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I do not find it boring at all and as for the AI letting you win, I am not seeing that. I have had races where the Ai car was a bit faster than mine, I managed to get the lead and got passed right at the line by the Ai car, I have saw the AI slow down after a spin but unless that spin happened early or I was driving an overpowered car the slow down did not effect the race outcome.

I think most of the people who keep complaining about the AI doing this are driving stronger cars than they should and not driving them very well. In this case if you spin out on the first lap the AI will slow and then that overpowered car can easily catch up and win possibly with more than one mistake. If however you are using a weaker car and drive well you can get some very good races out of them. They will also drive slower if you drive a slow car but not slow enough to let you win, they will just make you think you have a chance with that slow car but as soon as you shave a second or two off your race time so do they until at some point you can turn a time that is faster than they can turn then you can win.

I ran several tests in one of the Novice races over the course of testing the slowest total race time out of the AI was 3:28 and the fastest total race time was 3:15. I started with a car that was turning a 4:09 and then started tuning it little by little and running again and again as I got faster so did the AI up to the 3:15 mark. I did not win a single race until I was able to turn a low 3:15 and then I could win them all. If I set the car to go faster like 3:05 the AI still did not go above a 3:15

Also note that is one of the easiest races. Now if I did as the game allows and used a 450PP car which would be overpowered then I could easily crash 2 or 3 times and win anyway as the AI slow down and then my overpowered car would easily pass them once I caught up.

So if you drive the right car and drive it well this so called horrible AI is actually not bad, worst part about them is that they will hit you and often do not seem to know you are there.

HBR-Roadhog is so very very right! And this analysis of times and pp is great.

If you find the ai slow, it's cos you're driving overpowered cars. The difficulty slider is in the choice of car/tyre you use. (I'm up to International A or B,) I've been using cars that are 150 to 70 pp lower with one or two grade lower tyres and I've been having exciting competitive racing - cetainly not winning every time.

Folks should stop whining about slow ai. If you play the game on 'easy' (i.e. overpower your cars), don't complain it's too easy!
 
If you go to the arcade menu, you do have single races (not one make races though unfortunately).
There you will find the Time trial mode (that does records yours and your friends best times)
Also Drift trial is there too.

Thanks for pointing this out, I'd hadn't even seen there was a new arcade mode in the menu system, & whilst I'm making a goose of myself I finally found that music editing is available within 'the gallery' section, I thought that would just be photos and replays. Damn I hate this new menu.
 
If you find the ai slow, it's cos you're driving overpowered cars. The difficulty slider is in the choice of car/tyre you use. (I'm up to International A or B,) I've been using cars that are 150 to 70 pp lower with one or two grade lower tyres and I've been having exciting competitive racing - cetainly not winning every time.

It's interesting that people keep failing to see the issue with this solution, despite how well the concept was summed up here. Though not as interesting as the moved goalposts for what constitutes "overpowered."
 
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gt6 would get better just by doing an optimization of the content and features.
good content and features are already in the game, all they need is a better use.
a better use in the game and tools that are designed around that content and features.

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Yeah, actually. If jimipitbull is going to be "clever" and rebut arguments with statements like "artificial intelligence means it's not real so your problems with it are imagined" like he did last time an AI discussion occurred, why wouldn't others have the right to comment on how obvious it is that he's not actually saying anything?



I am certainly curious what constitutes "good discussion", though; since this post seemed to be of the required quality but mister_dog's is bad enough to go on a detailed rant.



As a somewhat related aside, seeing this:
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On every single post that is even vaguely pro-GT (no matter how detached from reality or hypocritical the post in question happens to be) gets more and more amusing the more it pops up.
With a 'good discussion', I just mean being respectful towards each other all the time. I feel some members are just being too unnecessarily offensive whenever we're having a discussion, especially when opinions seem to differ. To me that's just a bit disappointing, because after all it's just a game and there is no need to be emotional about it and start to imply that people are stupid, laughing at them, calling them 'fanboys' or whatever. Furthermore, being factual without over-exaggerating things is something a few just are not able to do. That's all. :)

Bringing up who likes my post is just promoting this kind of behavior and the only reason to do so is to divide us guys into two camps....not necessary either. All of the clinchers are putting me off, to be honest.
 
You didn't answer the question. What part of someone posting "Too... much... stupid... to handle... *faints*" in response to someone explaining why they think GT6 and FM5 got their respective review scores passes the muster for you when mister_dog's posts were apparently so unacceptably disrespectful that it warranted instead an increasingly angry rant talking about how in the wrong he was? It seems pretty irreconcilable when you say "no need to imply people are stupid" and then say a post that does exactly that in response to someone expressing their opinion is A-OK.

Bringing up who likes my post is just promoting this kind of behavior and the only reason to do so is to divide us guys into two camps....not necessary either. All of the clinchers are putting me off, to be honest.
First of all, I wasn't specific about whose posts for the exact reason that I stated: he's not specific beyond "does it look like something vaguely positive."
More importantly, to divide people into two camps would require that the person in question wasn't already firmly entrenched in a single camp to the extent that actual facts are secondary in importance to whether people say something agreeable. Pointing that out divides people no more than if one were to check post history; and if the like system wasn't to be used in such a way so as to be held to it (and I was just speaking from bemusement for that anyway rather than as a serious talking point) they wouldn't have made it public.
 
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You didn't answer the question. What part of someone posting "Too... much... stupid... to handle... *faints*" in response to someone explaining why they think GT6 and FM5 got their respective review scores passes the muster for you to justify a like on your part when mister_dog's posts were apparently so unacceptably disrespectful that it warranted instead an increasingly angry rant talking about how in the wrong he was?

Because it was just shouting out stuff without any real arguments. But moreover, it was a thread about 'News and Disussion', not another 'Let's bash other games solely because I prefer another game and I therefore have the itchy feeling to let everyone know as much as possible how bad their prefered game is compared to mine' thread. So you see, when that occurs, I'm taking the easy way of liking that message, which is indeed also immature and surely, also incorrect. But why? Because:

- I'm not into wasting my time again on such one-liners without any decent foundation at all. Should I? Maybe so in a sense of morally doing the right thing, but I didn't feel like it because, well...see the points below.
- The thread is not even the place to discuss that.
- This 'rivalry' of defending one game and therefore hating on the 'other game' is getting ridiculous lately, so I'm just staying away from it.

The thing is, I've never even had the urge to go onto forums on purpose to talk thrash about other games and jump through countless hoops just to out-argue anyone and be superior...or whatever the incentive might be of doing so. And I have the feeling that this does happen, especially from certain users. Sure, everyone must be critical and can complain about it to make the game better, but complaining in a topic that is not appropriate for it, doing it whenever is possible, as much as possible and as incorrectly as possible by choosing words in a provocative way is well....a bit sad and takes the fun out of reading the forums, to be honest. Does it help to argue it with them as correctly as possible? I tried to, but to no avail, especially when certain members are throwing in insults (explicitely with namecalling like 'fanboy' and implicitely by laughing at me). Then I'm done with it; do I really need to justify all of this? We can elaborate days about why I'm not the most correct either now and picking this one example, but why ignore mister dog's posts? Or this post you mentioned? What are your feelings about those supernegative posts that have such a provocative edge and have all the odds of being more about the rivalry than just putting the negative things down in a correct manner? I'm really interested in what you feel about it, and I'm not even joking. Is it really something to be encouraged? I mean, is it really necessary to state the situation like this, while in a literal manner, this is just pertinently untrue?
Anything that is in the game is half-assed or glitched to death
Seems to me like this is just an attempt to be a jerk.

But I'm wondering why you're picking this sole example, since it must be one of the more extreme cases. I'm sure you know all of the reasons I mention here already.

And oh yeah, the things that jimipitbull has been saying are maybe not the most correct either, but maybe it's just an attempt to mimic the 'quality of posts' of mister dog. To be encouraged? Not really, but some people will not learn at all to properly listen and keep it respectful, so....I'll just leave this in the middle.

First of all, I wasn't specific about whose posts he was promoting for the exact reason that I stated: he's not specific beyond "does it look like something positive."
More importantly, to divide people into two camps would require that the person in question wasn't already firmly entrenched in a single camp to the extent that actual facts are secondary in importance to whether people say something agreeable. Pointing that out divides people no more than if he was to actually post.
Come on, this answer is something that politicians are notorious for. This is exactly what you were implying to...if it was just a simple observation, it would serve absolutely no use to mention it at all other than stirring things up.

Edit: you mention it was for bemusement and then I'm all fine with it, of course. But not everyone is as 'smart' to recognize this and you know that the majority (guessing here) are going to take this seriously. Because no one is unbiased. My own observation that some people generally only 'like' a post when it's either negative or positive underlines this. Because no one is unbiased. And that brings me to a previous point again: the underlying 'rivalry' of defending a game or one's thoughts...I think it's getting out of hand, but maybe that's just me. And I think such a remark will only make it worse, even if it was not intended so at all.
 
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You're absolutely right. Them driving 13 seconds slower than they normally do when you drive an uncompetitive car and speeding up as you use better ones definitely shows that they don't slow down more the worse of a car you use. Just like them driving 18 seconds slower in the final lap of a race until you've caught up also isn't an example of them slowing down. And them letting off the throttle completely to match your speed rather than pass you of course isn't letting you win. And this? I don't even know what that is. Certainly not anything relevant, because they of course do not do that.
You missed the entire point didn't you? Yes they drove 13 seconds slower when I used a slow car. I finished last in that race and I drove flawlessly. They did not "Let me win" they did make the race appear closer than it would have otherwise. As I said a few times already they went faster as I got a faster car and I was not able to win until I turned a time better than they turned on their best race.

I saw a video and several posts were someone showed the AI back off and not pass at the line. I was in a race and decided to see if the AI would do this. I was in the lead coming up to the line in a MX5 the AI was coming up on me in an Integra R I could have blocked him and won but I decided to see if he would "let me win" He did not, he did swing over the left, kept it on the floor and edged me out by .050 seconds.

I did have one race where the AI may have "let me win" the Jag LMP car was coming up behind me at the line and it appeared that he would pass right at the line and he did not, but in the other case in the Integra he did pass at the line.

I did not look at the replay to see if the Jag let up but I did look at the Integra and he definitely did not.

What I have saw again and again is that if you pick a good car for your skill level and drive it well you will get a good race that will come down to the end and if you make a mistake you loose. If you drive a fast car then you will win even if you make mistakes early.
 
Tornado and jimipitbull, you both should move along if you're only going to flame people and steer this thread so far off topic the thread gets locked. Neither one of you have anything productive or good to say and both of you have a bad reputation of trolling. If you guys want to continue to go at each other, take it to private messages.

I'm also warning you both right now, any more posts that aren't productive to the thread topic will get reported.
 
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Reading this makes me so happy that I don't take games very seriously. Games are designed to be fun, and if you're going to sit there and complain... Well, is that really what you call fun?

And usually if someone says what I just said, more complaining will arise from someone saying (in dramatic over reactive tone), "But HOW can we have fun when the game is SO FLAAAWED" as if the whole world is doomed (when really it's because the Nissan 3F9SG9K39KK5 (referring to chassis name) has been modelled two millimeters out from the real thing).

I've only had two issues that I can actually say disappoint me, but I'm not complaining about it like it's the end of the world. I mean, not being able to roll my Daihatsu Midget, or my user BGM sometimes not working in races is irritating, but I do what seems to be a long forgotten method of simply getting over it.

*waits a minute or two*

"But HOW can we get over it when the game is SO FLAAAWED!!!?"

I'm not feeling ripped off about GT6, I'm happy with my purchase. Graphics are a step up from what I was playing before (PC racing sims), physics feel really cool. And some of the features we have are awesome, and the ones we will get in 2014 even better.
 
Reading this makes me so happy that I don't take games very seriously. Games are designed to be fun, and if you're going to sit there and complain... Well, is that really what you call fun?

And usually if someone says what I just said, more complaining will arise from someone saying (in dramatic over reactive tone), "But HOW can we have fun when the game is SO FLAAAWED" as if the whole world is doomed (when really it's because the Nissan 3F9SG9K39KK5 (referring to chassis name) has been modelled two millimeters out from the real thing).

I've only had two issues that I can actually say disappoint me, but I'm not complaining about it like it's the end of the world. I mean, not being able to roll my Daihatsu Midget, or my user BGM sometimes not working in races is irritating, but I do what seems to be a long forgotten method of simply getting over it.

*waits a minute or two*

"But HOW can we get over it when the game is SO FLAAAWED!!!?"

I'm not feeling ripped off about GT6, I'm happy with my purchase. Graphics are a step up from what I was playing before (PC racing sims), physics feel really cool. And some of the features we have are awesome, and the ones we will get in 2014 even better.

I've got a brand new car I'll sell you for full price. I'll tell you it's a complete vehicle, but it's really not, and the stuff that is still in the car doesn't work right. Still want to buy it for full price? If yes I'll give you my contact info ASAP.
 
Reading this makes me so happy that I don't take games very seriously. Games are designed to be fun, and if you're going to sit there and complain... Well, is that really what you call fun?

And usually if someone says what I just said, more complaining will arise from someone saying (in dramatic over reactive tone), "But HOW can we have fun when the game is SO FLAAAWED" as if the whole world is doomed (when really it's because the Nissan 3F9SG9K39KK5 (referring to chassis name) has been modelled two millimeters out from the real thing).

I've only had two issues that I can actually say disappoint me, but I'm not complaining about it like it's the end of the world. I mean, not being able to roll my Daihatsu Midget, or my user BGM sometimes not working in races is irritating, but I do what seems to be a long forgotten method of simply getting over it.

*waits a minute or two*

"But HOW can we get over it when the game is SO FLAAAWED!!!?"

I'm not feeling ripped off about GT6, I'm happy with my purchase. Graphics are a step up from what I was playing before (PC racing sims), physics feel really cool. And some of the features we have are awesome, and the ones we will get in 2014 even better.
Someone has to b*tch about it for change to come.... How do you think local governments work?
 
I've got a brand new car I'll sell you for full price. I'll tell you it's a complete vehicle, but it's really not, and the stuff that is still in the car doesn't work right. Still want to buy it for full price? If yes I'll give you my contact info ASAP.

It's a car. A decently large investment compared to a game. A car is something I would use for daily necessity. That would require serious consideration. A game isn't something I will need to get about the place. Therefore not needing serious consideration.

Someone has to b*tch about it for change to come.... How do you think local governments work?

True that. But wouldn't it be better to do it in a dignified manner? To avoid simply looking like a moron?
 
It's a car. A decently large investment compared to a game. A car is something I would use for daily necessity. That would require serious consideration. A game isn't something I will need to get about the place. Therefore not needing serious consideration.



True that. But wouldn't it be better to do it in a dignified manner? To avoid simply looking like a moron?

Jesus I'm getting tired of people coming up with BS excuses to back their arguments. It's the concept, who's the moron? :rolleyes:

Evidently you're ok with giving people your money without caring about the quality of the product, or that the company that makes the product lies to people to get them to buy it. I am not.
 
Jesus I'm getting tired of people coming up with BS excuses. It's the concept, who's the moron? :rolleyes:

:lol: I was simply saying that you're taking it too seriously. Just enjoy what you get in the game. But if you bought a car that was extremely flawed, you wouldn't just complain at the person you bought it off day after day. You would either deal with it, or sell it on and get a new car. See what I'm getting at here?
 
:lol: I was simply saying that you're taking it too seriously. Just enjoy what you get in the game. But if you bought a car that was extremely flawed, you wouldn't just complain at the person you bought it off day after day. You would either deal with it, or sell it on and get a new car. See what I'm getting at here?

Have you ever purchased a new car? LOL! You definitely don't just deal with it or buy a new one. You go back to the dealer and get it dealt with. *serious facepalm*
 
Have you ever purchased a new car? LOL! You definitely don't just deal with it or buy a new one. You go back to the dealer and get it dealt with. *serious facepalm*

Hey, I'm considering a used car. Because a dealer doesn't (normally) have those issues. Unless the car is American, then it's quite likely.

Also, no I haven't. I would have thought that due to me being a teenager, I would have never bought a car new from the dealership. But anyway, I've made the decision that there is no way to help the ones who protest like biased feminists, I'm off to do something better with my time. (no offence of course. And if it does offend, I apologize in advance)
 
Hey, I'm considering a used car. Because a dealer doesn't (normally) have those issues. Unless the car is American, then it's quite likely.

Also, no I haven't. I would have thought that due to me being a teenager, I would have never bought a car new from the dealership. But anyway, I've made the decision that there is no way to help the ones who protest like biased feminists, I'm off to do something better with my time. (no offence of course. And if it does offend, I apologize in advance)

I was considering a new car since I bought a new game. Also, not sure what American has to do with anything. I've had more problems with my Audi and Saab then I have ever had with any of the 3 Ford's I've owned, including my current Ford. Also hard to take you seriously admitting you're a teenager, so not sure what experiences you've had to back your arguments...
 
Not looking into aggravating the tensions but when exactly did PD claimed the game was completed?

It's not like they never mentioned "...will come as future upgrade..."

Looks to me they adverted it cautiously:

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IIRC the community and quickmatch features were supposed to be available on launch day, then was pulled shortly before due to it not being ready. Also, if you look on the back of the game case it says right at the top "friend in game invites" and "game recording and upload" neither of which are possible. So there's two cases of false advertising right there.

PD was pretty careful this time around though. GT5 was even worse, they didn't even tell anyone it was missing features before they launched the game.
 
I was considering a new car since I bought a new game. Also, not sure what American has to do with anything. I've had more problems with my Audi and Saab then I have ever had with any of the 3 Ford's I've owned, including my current Ford. Also hard to take you seriously admitting you're a teenager, so not sure what experiences you've had to back your arguments...

That's the thing. Pretty much none! :lol: But if you bought a dodgy car and didn't test it first, something tells me you haven't thought your purchase through very well. Good thing GT6 is just a game and didn't cost a lot of money.

Now I know you can't test a game before buying. But if you had looked into GT5 and noticed it was flawed (which admittedly, it was), you would have waited for GT6 reviews and all that before buying. It's like pre-ordering a car (before it's released) from a manufacturer who's last generation of that car would burst into violent flame whenever you turned the ignition. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
 
That's the thing. Pretty much none! :lol: But if you bought a dodgy car and didn't test it first, something tells me you haven't thought your purchase through very well. Good thing GT6 is just a game and didn't cost a lot of money.

Now I know you can't test a game before buying. But if you had looked into GT5 and noticed it was flawed (which admittedly, it was), you would have waited for GT6 reviews and all that before buying. It's like pre-ordering a car (before it's released) from a manufacturer who's last generation of that car would burst into violent flame whenever you turned the ignition. Sounds like a bad idea to me.

Ok, this is the last post I'm going to pick apart from you. I've got much better things to do than argue with a teenager who apparently has no idea how things work in the real world.

I'm an auto technician in real life, so believe me when I tell you there are issues that don't appear on a short test drive. If every problem happened on a test drive no manufacturer would ever sell enough cars to stay in business. Also, new cars aren't always based on their previous counterparts so you can throw that one out the window as well. (no pun intended)
 
Ok, this is the last post I'm going to pick apart from you. I've got much better things to do than argue with a teenager who apparently has no idea how things work in the real world.

I'm an auto technician in real life, so believe me when I tell you there are issues that don't appear on a short test drive. If every problem happened on a test drive no manufacturer would ever sell enough cars to stay in business. Also, new cars aren't always based on their previous counterparts so you can throw that one out the window as well. (no pun intended)

And I'm going to agree with you there also. And yeah, I have some idea of how things work, but of course it's flawed in sections, like most things.

I will believe you on that, the issues in a short test drive. I thought earlier that I had much better things to do, but being a teenager, I then realized that I actually didn't. :lol: But back to the point, we'll just settle it in the end that I am satisfied, and you're not satisfied. And we can both stop disturbing the thread with our argument/discussion/meaningless drivel, whatever you want to call it. :p
 
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