Auto is better than manual transmission

[oppositelock]

Doesn't matter which is faster, frankly. Using automatic is in the same category as using SRF or other aids. If you can ride your bicycle faster with the training wheels attached, good for you. It just means you can't drive for ****.

 

[southslider51]

As far as i'm aware,they use a manual gearbox in every racecar on the planet.Even f1 cars have them. So the moral of the story is:real racers drive stick/paddle/clutch!

👍

 

[shirakawaa]

True, but you cant say that auto makes optimal gear changes in GT5.

My point was that often using AT implies significantly higher acceleration times / lap times. MT allows to be more competitive.

Doesn't matter which is faster, frankly. Using automatic is in the same category as using SRF or other aids. If you can ride your bicycle faster with the training wheels attached, good for you. It just means you can't drive for ****.

The Skid Recovery Force operates outside real physics, making the car faster and easier to drive, with much more margin for error.
The automatic transmission (more like, automated shift changes) in GT5 operates within normal/realistic physics, and also doesn't offer any advantage over the manual one, so it's not as bad as SRF.

Both driving aids can't be considered to be in the same category in my opinion.

 

[berzerkfvry]

Doesn't matter which is faster, frankly. Using automatic is in the same category as using SRF or other aids. If you can ride your bicycle faster with the training wheels attached, good for you. It just means you can't drive for ****.

Do you ever drive your real life car with the traction control off? I surely don't. Not to mention some cars come default as automatic.
Or it could can be some people have no knowledge how manuals work. So you can't really judge on others using automatic.

SRF is an exception as that's just messing with the grip physics.

Edit: If they could ride a bike faster with training wheels on then actually rather significant achievement as training wheels known to impair on riding speed.

 

[charliec]

Do you ever drive your real life car with the traction control off? I surely don't. Not to mention some cars come default as automatic.
Or it could can be some people have no knowledge how manuals work. So you can't really judge on others using automatic.

SRF is an exception as that's just messing with the grip physics.

Edit: If they could ride a bike faster with training wheels on then actually rather significant achievement as training wheels known to impair on riding speed.

Some of us don't have TC to turn off

Anyways, TC cuts power when it detects wheel slip, so if you're faster with TC on than off, you're overdriving the car for the available traction. It's got uses in inclimate weather but it's not really a performance enhancement...more of a safety net (in my opinion).

 

[shirakawaa]

Some of us don't have TC to turn off

Anyways, TC cuts power when it detects wheel slip, so if you're faster with TC on than off, you're overdriving the car for the available traction. It's got uses in inclimate weather but it's not really a performance enhancement...more of a safety net (in my opinion).

Actually, the GT5 traction control is better than real life: it detects wheel slip before it happens, while real systems detect it after.
Same for ABS, the GT5 implementation is excessively good (works as a stability control system and is able to threshold brake at a constant rate and not brake in impulses like real systems).

 

[onerichf]

Personally I find auto better than manual because you won't lose precious seconds mistakenly changing gear and you get maximum output

Unless you have aids all off and you don't have a 4wd car auto is the way to go

If you don't know how to shift, I.E. putting the car in the wrong gear, then yes, automatics are faster. But if you know how to drive, manual is so much faster and gives you so much more control. Especially now that we can adjust each gear with the fully adjustable transmission option. It is also much easier with a full racing seat setup, adding to the experience.

It is just another level of improvement you can enjoy through practice and getting used to shifting. I drive a slush box to get groceries, but would rather toss a manual transmission car around any day.

Here is a good rule of thumb: If you win more than 50% of the races you enter in GT5, you are not racing. You are driving parade laps around your competition with a much faster car. The greatest racers in the world win FAR FAR less than half their races..... Tune it down and out drive the competition. Anyone can win a knife fight with a machine gun.... That isn't talent.

 

[Naqluz]

I personally prefer the manual for racing, as would anybody who really know what they're talking about. I really am not blaiming anybody for driving an auto IRL, I had an automatic car for 8 months and it was really nice, altho I prefer manual IRL too. In GT5 manual is actually faster in every track, every weather etc. Manual also gives you certain satisfaction (at least I get that) while auto remains sort of 'distant' if anyone gets me....

Back to real life, someone said manual is still always faster. Well not in the straight line it isn't, most developed double-clutch automatics are actually faster 0-100 kph than manual version of the same car. It is a fact and I do not want to start an arguement over this

 

[charliec]

Actually, the GT5 traction control is better than real life: it detects wheel slip before it happens, while real systems detect it after.
Same for ABS, the GT5 implementation is excessively good (works as a stability control system and is able to threshold brake at a constant rate and not brake in impulses like real systems).

I was talking about real life systems though not GT5 systems.

Same principle applies though in GT5, take two identical cars, one with TC on and one without TC on, the car without TC on will be faster if driven correctly. That's difficult to do in a game for some cars, as you don't have the benefit of real life feedback and fine control of the throttle (without driving wheel setup).

 

[nik99]

OK guys, here's what I've seen at a 1/4 mile drag strip in the heart of the mid-west that you can pay $20 to take turns running your car against other people. They have a start light, false start detection of some sort, big display boards showing race times, ...

Automatic Car

• Mid 90's Trans-Am with a computer chip upgrade.

Typical Manual Cars include

• Classic mussel cars lovingly restored and tuned up with lots of shiny bits.
• 90's sports cars. (what can I say - it was the 90's)
• 80's sports cars. (they weren't considered classics in the 90's)

Also,

• One Dodge Caravan with the hood held partially ajar by a 4" bundle of wires that ran to a laptop on the passenger seat (unrelated but interesting).
• Assorted motorcycles.

Races generally went like this:

• Manual car jumps out to an early lead and pulls away.
• Driver of manual car shifts to 2nd, car seems to stop, automatic car gains ground.
• Manual car pulls away a little once car is in 2nd.
• Driver of manual car shifts to 3rd, car seems to stop, automatic car passes manual car.
• Manual car surges ahead but is unable to catch up before the finish line.

I'm not saying the Trans-Am would always win, but it could easily give up 40HP and compete with a car equipped with a manual transmission.

There are a few people who have the skill to maximize he performance of a car equipped with a manual transmission, but on average - no.

From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?

The car that doesn't have to stop accelerating for a 1/4 second to change gears.

 

[charliec]

Back to real life, someone said manual is still always faster. Well not in the straight line it isn't, most developed double-clutch automatics are actually faster 0-100 kph than manual version of the same car. It is a fact and I do not want to start an arguement over this

And that's without getting into high-stall torque converters, but that's for another thread...

 

[ANFD]

If we are talking about the game, it's fairly easy to see which mode is faster. Just look at any of the posted leaderboards and check the settings used. If you look at the current GT Academy leaderboards, there is only 1 guy in the top 100 fastest guys who uses automatic ..... and he is placed 85th. Most of the Time Trial leaderboards show the same thing. Seems obvious to me

 

[shirakawaa]

Drag racing is one of the few competitions where automatics (specifically torque-converter automatic gearboxes) have the lead for seamless and always consistent gear shifting.
As I mentioned before, though, the "automatic/AT" option that is in GT5 does not imply a real automatic transmission. It's more like a driving aid which does the manual work for you (in an unoptimized way).

By the way, there are many automatic gearbox equipped cars in GT5 (especially kei-cars and japanese passenger cars), however very few of them actually behave like torque-converter equipped ones (just some Mercedes-Benz cars, that I remember). And the few ones that do, only shift gear at redline, as usual. PD really missed the mark on this aspect of driving physics/accuracy.

 

[GrimSinn]

Personally I find auto better than manual because you won't lose precious seconds mistakenly changing gear and you get maximum output

Unless you have aids all off and you don't have a 4wd car auto is the way to go

Epic FAIL!!!

It's for folk who know how to drive. The auto is an assist in GT it's lame as Hell. Manual is the only way to go. If your not shifting right or as you say you're "losing precious seconds" on miss-*****, practice and you will get better.

 

[Leicht]

is he comparing IRL or in GT5?

 

[checkyoursix]

Drag racing includes bracket racing. Bracket racing cars use automatics because they are consistent, not because they are fast. Bracket racing cars use dial-in so it isn't about the faster car, but the consistent car. The slower car is timed to leave first in bracket racing! Bracket racing is what goes down at local events.

 

[daan]

is he comparing IRL or in GT5?

GT5. We are in the GT5 forum. 💡

 

[Heyhuub]

Many cars are long past their peek power before reaching redline and thus when in auto shifting beyond their power band and losing precious speed. When i did a B-spec race with an SL65 bob was shifting at the redline of 6500rpm whereas the max power of the 65 is already at 5000 after which it takes a huge tumble. So instead of 610 it was prolly only using 450-500hp effectively.

Plus manual is a lot more fun.

 

[oppositelock]

Do you ever drive your real life car with the traction control off? I surely don't.

I've owned six cars, none had traction control. Or ABS, for that matter. One of them had power windows and door locks, that was nice. Wait, what was I talking about?

Not to mention some cars come default as automatic.

I actually wouldn't mind at all if GT transmissions mirrored their real world counterparts. By that I mean:

In a car with an old-fashioned slushbox, you can use auto mode only.
In a car with a manumatic/automanual, you can select either auto or manual mode.
In a car with a manual, you can use manual mode only.

If you wanted to auto shift a car that came with a manual transmission you'd have to swap in a transmission capable of auto mode. Not that Kaz would ever implement that sort of thing, but I would.

 

[freedomweasel]

is he comparing IRL or in GT5?

GT5 hopefully. Either way, he's generally wrong. A regular (torque converter) automatic is simply not as good for performance driving assuming that the driver can competently shift a manual.

Do you ever drive your real life car with the traction control off? I surely don't.
Or it could can be some people have no knowledge how manuals work. So you can't really judge on others using automatic.

I turn my car's ESP off every single time I'm driving "enthusiastically" and many cars don't have any traction control system at all.

As I said above, assuming the driver can operate a manual transmission, if you provide two identical cars with the only difference being the transmission, the standard transmission car should be faster around a track. (again, speaking only about traditional, torque converter automatics)

 

[Augdogg21]

Drag racing is one of the few competitions where automatics (specifically torque-converter automatic gearboxes) have the lead for seamless and always consistent gear shifting.
As I mentioned before, though, the "automatic/AT" option that is in GT5 does not imply a real automatic transmission. It's more like a driving aid which does the manual work for you (in an unoptimized way).

By the way, there are many automatic gearbox equipped cars in GT5 (especially kei-cars and japanese passenger cars), however very few of them actually behave like torque-converter equipped ones (just some Mercedes-Benz cars, that I remember). And the few ones that do, only shift gear at redline, as usual. PD really missed the mark on this aspect of driving physics/accuracy.

Agreed PD completely biffed on this aspect of the game imo. Manual should always have the advantage over auto and the ability to control revs is why. In auto the shifting should be based on the rev limiter so as in real life to avoid damage to the engine by over revving howevr in the game it reacts more as an aid and provides players the ability to drive at the optimum level of the car. In many cases avoiding the tremendous torque hull with the upgrades it provides added stability.

 

[checkyoursix]

"I actually wouldn't mind at all if GT transmissions mirrored their real world counterparts. By that I mean:

In a car with an old-fashioned slushbox, you can use auto mode only.
In a car with a manumatic/automanual, you can select either auto or manual mode.
In a car with a manual, you can use manual mode only.

If you wanted to auto shift a car that came with a manual transmission you'd have to swap in a transmission capable of auto mode. Not that Kaz would ever implement that sort of thing, but I would.

Yes! That would be perfect. I think the game glosses over the real nature of transmissions.

 

[SohnVonStig]

I'm torn between shouting "scoreboard' and embedding this youtube video..


Either way I think you get the idea. GT5 manual is ALWAYS faster than an automatic. Although if you drive a fiat 500 I'm sure someone in an auto could win every time based on driver's skill.....as long as there isn't a hill....

 

[GTOne2Three]

I got myself use to manual, never going back. It's funner too.

 

[Krizzay]

I actually wouldn't mind at all if GT transmissions mirrored their real world counterparts. By that I mean:

In a car with an old-fashioned slushbox, you can use auto mode only.
In a car with a manumatic/automanual, you can select either auto or manual mode.
In a car with a manual, you can use manual mode only.

If you wanted to auto shift a car that came with a manual transmission you'd have to swap in a transmission capable of auto mode. Not that Kaz would ever implement that sort of thing, but I would.

This would be fantastic.

 

[Krizzay]

Do you ever drive your real life car with the traction control off?

Every time I go for a spirited drive. The DSC button is my fun button.

 

[freedomweasel]

I've owned six cars, none had traction control. Or ABS, for that matter. One of them had power windows and door locks, that was nice. Wait, what was I talking about?


I actually wouldn't mind at all if GT transmissions mirrored their real world counterparts. By that I mean:

In a car with an old-fashioned slushbox, you can use auto mode only.
In a car with a manumatic/automanual, you can select either auto or manual mode.
In a car with a manual, you can use manual mode only.

If you wanted to auto shift a car that came with a manual transmission you'd have to swap in a transmission capable of auto mode. Not that Kaz would ever implement that sort of thing, but I would.

👍 The whole post was good, but I definitely agree with the second part.

 

[shirakawaa]

By the way, old-fashioned automatic gearboxes (those with the PRND321 selector) can be used in a sort of semi-automatic mode by selecting D/3/2/1 as fit. It wouldn't be as efficient or fast-performing as with proper gear selection with a newer sequential semi-manual gearbox (since it's really just an "upper gear limiter"), but it can be done.

 

[Jack002]

The GT series has always been understanding to those who prefer an auto trans. and its always been quite doable. But if you need that extra edge and want to go just a LITTLE bit faster, then use manual trans. I tried it a few times and just can't think about shifting on top of finding my perfect line and entering and leaving apexes and overall car control. Its just less of my brain to have to divide to devote to shifting with all the other things I have to concentrate on. (IMO)

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

No matter what human fingers will never be as fast as auto movement unless you are a robot

This is the funniest thing.

Dude you anticipate your gear change. The time it takes for the gear to physically change is the same in auto and manual. But you have much more control over your car in manual.

Also manual is alot more fun.