Auto is better than manual transmission

[GT_Prologue5]

Manual. I get golds in the 0-whatever meters in the license test with a Manual, silver with an auto. I drive more auto though, because concentrating on gears makes it hard to concentrate on the road.

 

[Leicht]

Dear OP, are you comparing it like in this vid IRL or in GT5 where there is no much difference in straight line performance? Seriously, OP need to be specific

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROqVLz4z8M

 

[freedomweasel]

Faster at the actual shift? Yes.

But faster overall? Not when you take into account that automatic can never see ahead and predict what gear it will need to go into to avoid a useless shift or help with control through a difficult corner.

He's talking about semi-auto transmissions like in the Evo X, or Audis, and VWs. They are faster around a track than a regular manual. It's been shown many times, by many publications. Give the same driver two GTIs, one with a 6speed and one with a DSG, the DSG will be faster.

They (at least the VAG transmission) are really good at predicting shifts, but even without that you can just pop it over into manual and shift yourself.

 

[akyp]

I am a lot faster with auto in GT5, and I've golded everything including the Vettel challenges with auto (ok, I did the braking test and a few seasonals with manual).

But in real life, I refuse to drive any car without 3 pedals.

 

[CarreraGT]

^ Me too. Sadly though, the 3rd pedal is slowly becoming extinct . Oh well, I guess I will be buying used cars for the rest of my life

 

[ghsnu]

Auto is for kids and lazy/bad drivers and makes you slower, in real life and in game. You can control the RPM with a manual transmission.

You can change a bit later to get max speed in long straights, you can help braking downshifthing, you can choose how to get out of a turn, hig-rev to max aceleration or higher gear and lower rev to control the traction? And that's only a few examples.

Please learn to drive properly before posting dumb things👎

Please take your own advice.

Excuse me that I don't have the money to buy a 26" TV, mount it to a $500 frame that has a $250 wheel and shifter, as well as have the room for it, Mr. I-Have-Everything.

God how I HATE all the eliteist *** holes on this forum.

SORRY that I enjoy GT5 and just don't have the money to burn on a $200 wheel, and must rely on the DS3 and automatic transmission.

 

[absjazz]

Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember how you could hold gears in GT4 while using automatic? If you held R2, it would hold that gear until you released the trigger. Was pretty neat. That was a long time ago when I was young and didn't know any better. Now manual is the only way to go (in game and the real world).

 

[absjazz]

He's talking about semi-auto transmissions like in the Evo X, or Audis, and VWs. They are faster around a track than a regular manual. It's been shown many times, by many publications. Give the same driver two GTIs, one with a 6speed and one with a DSG, the DSG will be faster.

They (at least the VAG transmission) are really good at predicting shifts, but even without that you can just pop it over into manual and shift yourself.

These transmissions are still manuals though. No torque converters, just 2 clutches. Therefore they are still manuals by mechanical definition.

 

[Wolfpack]

Proof manual is better just look at dyno test done on same cars with one having auto other having manual . End result every time manual will produce more hp . So manual is better .

 

[Leicht]

He's talking about semi-auto transmissions like in the Evo X, or Audis, and VWs. They are faster around a track than a regular manual. It's been shown many times, by many publications. Give the same driver two GTIs, one with a 6speed and one with a DSG, the DSG will be faster.

They (at least the VAG transmission) are really good at predicting shifts, but even without that you can just pop it over into manual and shift yourself.

Thank you for explaining that

 

[Leicht]

 

[shirakawaa]

These transmissions are still manuals though. No torque converters, just 2 clutches. Therefore they are still manuals by mechanical definition.

Lexically that doesn't make sense though.
Something is manual when operated by human intervention.

Also dual clutch gearboxes mechanically do not have much in common with ordinary manual ones, other than there are gears inside.

 

[Devedander]

He's talking about semi-auto transmissions like in the Evo X, or Audis, and VWs. They are faster around a track than a regular manual. It's been shown many times, by many publications. Give the same driver two GTIs, one with a 6speed and one with a DSG, the DSG will be faster.

They (at least the VAG transmission) are really good at predicting shifts, but even without that you can just pop it over into manual and shift yourself.

Thank you for explaining that

For the purpose of this comparison I thought we were discussing who makes the decision when to shift and where more than the blurred line of a semi auto or manumatic.

Sure having a computer handle the clutches (or torque converter) and gears for you means it's going to be able to actually shift between gears faster, but there is still no computer that can intelligently shift like a human in terms of timing.

 

[ucwepn]

A driver who knows the car and knows how to shift will always be faster using a manual. I hand allot of people their behinds online, you can usually pick the auto drivers they slow allot for the corners. With up/down sequential gears its nearly impossible to miss shift and experienced manual drivers will not even notice they are shifting they do it almost naturally.

I'm sure there are rare cases of auto drivers being faster but they would be freaks.

 

[absjazz]

Lexically that doesn't make sense though.
Something is manual when operated by human intervention.

In terms of the denotative properties of the word, you are correct. In terms of the connotative meaning, however, dual-clutch transmissions are manuals as defined by their mechanical principles. Granted, they can shift on their own in "auto mode", but this is actually "automated manual mode". Also, the driver can still have 100% control over the shift points if they so choose (i.e. human intervention via paddle shift etc...). As such, they are more related to manual than automatic/torque-converter transmissions. The same goes for single clutch systems like Lamborghini's "E-Gear" and Audi's "R-Tronic" systems. They are automated manuals, but still consist of a clutch and flywheel that are actuated on demand by the driver via paddle shifter.

 

[Leicht]

For the purpose of this comparison I thought we were discussing who makes the decision when to shift and where more than the blurred line of a semi auto or manumatic.

Sure having a computer handle the clutches (or torque converter) and gears for you means it's going to be able to actually shift between gears faster, but there is still no computer that can intelligently shift like a human in terms of timing.

when you said timing, does that mean reaching the optimal RPM before shifting to the next gear?

 

[Goruk]

But I am already almost leading most of the races online with auto that is why I am asking

So if I change to manual now I can lap them lol ?

Meet me at the RING...

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Once you go from Auto to Manual there is no other option. It feels as natural as anything and you are in full command, baby.

 

[splaky]

I drive manual on everything except on X1s.

 

[aussie88]

auto - casual circuit driving
manual - oval racing / drifting

 

[shigllgetcha]

Please take your own advice.

Excuse me that I don't have the money to buy a 26" TV, mount it to a $500 frame that has a $250 wheel and shifter, as well as have the room for it, Mr. I-Have-Everything.

God how I HATE all the eliteist *** holes on this forum.

SORRY that I enjoy GT5 and just don't have the money to burn on a $200 wheel, and must rely on the DS3 and automatic transmission.

Change the accel and brake to the triggers and shift with the buttons like the 360 does and the manual is no harder with a controller

 

[tourist]

I play with X and Square. Shift with R1 and L1. Perfectly fine and i can beat my mates who play with a wheel.

And i dont use 4wd only It just need some practice to handle high power MR/FR cars but the X and Sqare are analog. You can go through corners with half throttle and gently push more and more. This way you can drive very smooth and fast with a ds3.

 

[zedextreme8177]

The Peugeot 908 is a prime example. It accelerates quicker if you shift up at 6000rpm whereas the auto takes it to nearly 7000.

Same with the TVR Tuscan RM, which I can take off faster than auto, if I shift into 2nd at 55mph.

 

[EPowerBiggs]

IRL, I drive a manual. In game, auto seems considerably easier. I know, I suck. I do not deny this. I will not claim it is faster, but especially as the cars get faster, I need to focus on keeping the car on the road. However, I am intrigued by the idea of rearranging buttons. Maybe that will help.

 

[freedomweasel]

These transmissions are still manuals though. No torque converters, just 2 clutches. Therefore they are still manuals by mechanical definition.

They are "technically" (ie mechanically) a manual transmission. Correct. They are sold as automatics though, and most everyone refers to them as automatics, however, most magazines call them "automated manuals", "semi-auto", or just the trademarked "DSG", "PDK", etc.

Last time I tried to explain my transmission to someone they did this:. Now when someone asks if it's an auto I just shrug and say "sorta, ya".

 

[dudejo]

there is a theoretical way we could emulate this shifting time difference between the two transmission types.

we don't buy clutch upgrade for the automatics (or just one). unless it's the computer-controlled manual.

 

[novcze]

SORRY that I enjoy GT5 and just don't have the money to burn on a $200 wheel, and must rely on the DS3 and automatic transmission.

I played GT 1, 2, 3 with Dualshock and used manual transmission without any problems. Map gas and brake on right thumb stick and use R1 and L1 for shifting

 

[Anghammarad]

They are "technically" (ie mechanically) a manual transmission. Correct. They are sold as automatics though, and most everyone refers to them as automatics, however, most magazines call them "automated manuals", "semi-auto", or just the trademarked "DSG", "PDK", etc.

Last time I tried to explain my transmission to someone they did this:. Now when someone asks if it's an auto I just shrug and say "sorta, ya".

I have a DSG gearbox in my car and I normally say that it's an "automatically shifted manual gearbox" when people ask. A suitable state of confusion ensues.

 

[Minty]

I have seen many autos take first position in races what say you

Those are good drivers then.
Just because someone can win using something doesn't mean it's better.

 

[shigllgetcha]

I have a DSG gearbox in my car and I normally say that it's an "automatically shifted manual gearbox" when people ask. A suitable state of confusion ensues.

Is manually shifted auto box not more accurate. you a picking the gears but not manually selecting them