Auto is better than manual transmission

[godzidane]

And, I am sitting here waiting to race you in my civic, you come into the room, go to the regulations and select, the NISSAN GT-R.

Kudos.

I am out.

Perhaps people will understand where you are coming from now....

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You left the room ? Now that is one big surprise

You mentioned go ahead what car ?

 

[godzidane]

Ok guys nothing to prove

He left

Waste of time

At least have some courtesy

Oh ya his was level 32 and mine was just a little bit higher

That says it all why he left

 

[VEXD]

Personally I find auto better than manual because you won't lose precious seconds mistakenly changing gear and you get maximum output

Unless you have aids all off and you don't have a 4wd car auto is the way to go

So, here you are suggesting that manual is slower than auto, because gear changes can be missed.

To clarify that you may be mistaken, I suggest you race an auto civic, against a manual civic, which, incidentally, is a car with a tiny engine, that requires it reach a high RPM in order to generate it's maximum BHP, and therefore be "quick".

You accept my suggestion, by asking me to "bring my manual".

I opened a room, added you, waited ten minutes (which you did apologise for) and then you turn up.

I've chosen Suzuka, because any GT fan will have driven there, and it has inclines, downhills, a long straight, and some corners that can really be maximised by using a manual transmission.
I also set damage to none, and turned all aids off, because we are conducting an experiment to see if a manual Honda civic is indeed slower than an automatic civic, and therefore discovering which gearbox is better to use, so that all racers all over the world can change their habits and switch to godzidane method, so we won't need aids, or damage, or a boost to be "on".

You entered the room, and went to the regulations, and changed the only usable car to a Nissan GT-R.
Then proceeded to change other regs like, damage etc.

I lost interest.

If you wanted to waste my time, you did a good job.
If you wanted to convince me you're right, you didn't.

Have fun.

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[godzidane]

You have a short fuse that is all I will say

Or some one who makes rash judgements

You have fun with your manual

 

[VEXD]

I also have proven European race experience, in LANs with several members here at GTP that will vouch for me and my race skills.

Don't get personal, it's not the time or place.

I suggested a fair test to prove your OP was nonsense, and you declined that test.

Nothing more to be said.

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[Bigbazz]

God Zidane, post a time in GT Academy, VEXD do the same.

Fastest time wins..

You realise all this shows is that one driver is faster than another though. Auto isnt slow, Manual is just faster.

 

[alvin23a]

I rally and drift a lot and need MT to keep the rpm up

 

[godzidane]

i also have proven european race experience, in lans with several members here at gtp that will vouch for me and my race skills.

Don't get personal, it's not the time or place.

I suggested a fair test to prove your op was nonsense, and you declined that test.

Nothing more to be said.

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+1

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

It's simple... how many real life race cars are out there that are auto? Drags, NASCAR, Indy, Formula1, Rally...etc. They are all Manual. An automatic F1 car... HAHA.

 

[godzidane]

It's simple... how many real life race cars are out there that are auto? Drags, NASCAR, Indy, Formula1, Rally...etc. They are all Manual. An automatic F1 car... HAHA.

You shouldn't compare real life with gt5

 

[godzidane]

Hmmm and I left while I was in the middle of a championship in b spec just to enter his lounge

And to think of that

What a loser I am

Honestly I don't think you will get any where and or get far with this attitude

How did you manage to get to level 32 just makes me wonder lol

No hard feelings

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

You shouldn't compare real life with gt5

Oh, excuse me... I do apologize. I thought GT5 was a driving simulator that worked on the premise of real life cars. Hmm. How wrong can I be? I shall scurry away in shame with my bat and ball and play some GT5. Good day to you.

 

[Azuremen]

Ok then what if I say they both manual and auto evens up ?

Manual had better rpm but auto makes up for it by not losing a semi second changing gears

No matter what human fingers will never be as fast as auto movement unless you are a robot

Actually, you're wrong. A DSG gear box will be faster than a human, but that isn't an automatic, and rather an automated manual.

In this game, the pre-set points for shifting are not variable like a learning automatic, and will often shift at a less than ideal range in the power band. If you honestly have trouble managing what gear you are in while racing, you are just unaware of what is going on.

Your attitude is beyond fail.

Oh, excuse me... I do apologize. I thought GT5 was a driving simulator that worked on the premise of real life cars. Hmm. How wrong can I be? I shall scurry away in shame with my bat and ball and play some GT5. Good day to you.

It isn't a great thing to do, actually. PD is quite lazy with some of their shift points and how they have the automatic programmed because, last I checked, they just try automate the manual rather then emulating a torque converter.

 

[Bigbazz]

Hmmm and I left while I was in the middle of a championship in b spec just to enter his lounge

And to think of that

What a loser I am

Honestly I don't think you will get any where and or get far with this attitude

How did you manage to get to level 32 just makes me wonder lol

No hard feelings

He did say racing 2 honda civics, to show you the advantage of manual.

Then you turned up and changed into a GT-R, a car that is obviously going to destroy a honda civic. So you did kinda go against the whole point of the race.

Level doesn't mean anything, I mean who even looks at the level?

 

[godzidane]

Hope time will prove you wrong or me

 

[godzidane]

He did say racing 2 honda civics, to show you the advantage of manual.

Then you turned up and changed into a GT-R, a car that is obviously going to destroy a honda civic. So you did kinda go against the whole point of the race.

Level doesn't mean anything, I mean who even looks at the level?

He did ask me what car

As in what car to choose

So I chose the gtr

He didn't specify the civic in the lounge

I apologize if you misunderstood because cos you weren't in the lounge

 

[VEXD]

I got to level 32 a long time ago, and since then I have been enjoying online racing, every tuesday with some dutch, german and belgian friends of mine.
I have spent some time living my life, driving my real cars and working hard, and I have spent some time sorting out things in preparation for the next LAN I am attending in May, where we race against each other, in the same room, and travel from all over the place to do so.
I simply haven't had time, or inclination to increase my A-spec level on that account, as I have other stuff to get up to.
We will use manual transmissions at the LAN, because if any of us used an auto, we'd be at a disadvantage.
And that just wouldn't make for good, fair, racing, now would it.

No hard feelings God.

Just accept you're wrong though, eh?

A GT-R (which I've driven, by the way, and yes I do mean in real life) is a very fast DSG, and could be the way forward for gearboxes to come, but for the time being, and certainly for the last 90 years or so, the manual gearbox is the best way to control a cars speed into and out of turns, and therefore, the faster option.

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[Tonkz]

Oh, excuse me... I do apologize. I thought GT5 was a driving simulator that worked on the premise of real life cars. Hmm. How wrong can I be? I shall scurry away in shame with my bat and ball and play some GT5. Good day to you.

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lol
Whats the Title of this game again, The Real Life simulator...

lol

 

[Azuremen]

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lol
Whats the Title of this game again, The Real Life simulator...

lol

Which means nothing if you've driven real cars you'd instantly see the short comings of the game. GT4 got the same title was a pile of crap when it came to tire physics. GT5 has improved on that a touch but it still isn't great.

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

Actually, you're wrong. A DSG gear box will be faster than a human, but that isn't an automatic, and rather an automated manual.

In this game, the pre-set points for shifting are not variable like a learning automatic, and will often shift at a less than ideal range in the power band. If you honestly have trouble managing what gear you are in while racing, you are just unaware of what is going on.

Your attitude is beyond fail.



It isn't a great thing to do, actually. PD is quite lazy with some of their shift points and how they have the automatic programmed because, last I checked, they just try automate the manual rather then emulating a torque converter.

Down shifting late into a corner with as much break as possible without locking them is far better than just breaking with an auto still wanting to drive the car into the corner. And rev matching on the way out is easier in a manual (really its only do-able in a manual) . Exit speeds are therefore higher and result in better top speed (IN THE GAME). Regardless of how close the game is to real life, the ability to use “manual” over an auto will result in faster lap times. There are two different types of drivers. Ones that can drive manual and the ones that can’t. Automatic users are essentially just steering the car.

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lol
Whats the Title of this game again, The Real Life simulator...

lol

You get me... i'm glad someone does.

 

[Bigbazz]

The GT-R is faster with manual too, semi automatic gearbox's are still manually controlled. By that i mean the gears are changed at the point at which you want them to change. Which is one of the main advantages.

If were talking automatic gearboxes (as in on a real car), then thats a different kettle of fish, manuals are just in a different league.

 

[godzidane]

I just chose a random car

So happened it was the gtr

So you don't need to bring the gtr in to into the picture

It could be any car automatic versus manual

I apologize but you are comparing someone with tuesday lan experience with some one who might be 12 hours racing daily on line online

 

[VEXD]

The GT-R is faster with manual too, semi automatic gearbox's are still manually controlled. By that i mean the gears are changed at the point at which you want them to change. Which is one of the main advantages.

If were talking automatic gearboxes (as in on a real car), then thats a different kettle of fish, manuals are just in a different league.

I like the sense you spout Bazz.

He seems to have gone quiet now, shall we leave it?

Or should I re-add him and use a GT-R and see if I can match his level 36 skills with some 32 mad tyte skillz yo?

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edit: damn spoke too soon....

 

[Sum1s2pid]

No, for reasons others have already stated. Assuming you're as adept with a manual in this game as you let on, race against your ghost and give it an honest effort for a number of laps with both transmissions. The manual will consistently turn a quicker time. The more corners you have to negotiate, the more dramatic the differences in times.

Once someone becomes accustomed to effectively using a manual transmission in a competitive online racing environment, there is zero reason to revert back to using an automatic.

Resist the urge to crank out a few laps at an oval, like Daytona Speedway, and come back to say "lol autoz are bettar!!1!".

 

[Bigbazz]

I like the sense you spout Bazz.

He seems to have gone quiet now, shall we leave it?

Or should I re-add him and use a GT-R and see if I can match his level 36 skills with some 32 mad tyte skillz yo?

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edit: damn spoke too soon....

I'd be careful mate. He's level 36.

 

[zedfonsie]

Manuals would get a better start. And it will also let you rev a bit longer.

 

[CarreraGT]

And rev matching on the way out is easier in a manual (really its only do-able in a manual).

Hmmm... Are you sure you really know what rev matching is?

 

[godzidane]

I have gotten so used to braking that I am already using the brake as the clutch in automatic

 

[godzidane]

With manual your car will be more spinnable and losing precious seconds there

At in automatic you will maintain a consistent less spinnable rate

And if you are slow to the clutch you lose even more second s seconds

 

[sumbrownkid]

In GT5 manual will always dominate auto. Not saying auto can't be competitive, its just a disadvantage.

In the real world many autos I've driven are plagued by "gear hunting", something which drives me to want a manual in every car.