Auto is better than manual transmission

[godzidane]

I like the sense you spout Bazz.

He seems to have gone quiet now, shall we leave it?

Or should I re-add him and use a GT-R and see if I can match his level 36 skills with some 32 mad tyte skillz yo?

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edit: damn spoke too soon....

I am still here don't worry

 

[VEXD]

Now I see where the 17 pages came from...

Guys, have fun...

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[godzidane]

In GT5 manual will always dominate auto. Not saying auto can't be competitive, its just a disadvantage.

In the real world many autos I've driven are plagued by "gear hunting", something which drives me to want a manual in every car.

Not when you skid more

Not when you are slow to the clutch

 

[CarreraGT]

With manual your car will be more spinnable and losing precious seconds there

At in automatic you will maintain a consistent less spinnable rate

And if you are slow to the clutch you lose even more second s seconds

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[sumbrownkid]

Not when you skid more

Not when you are slow to the clutch

What?

Every car skids. It just comes down to the driver bro. I bet there are people who can beat others with an auto. But coming across them is hard.

Besides auto transmissions always change too early.

Skids are more on throttle input than on the actual tranny.

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

Hmmm... Are you sure you really know what rev matching is?

Not really. I believe it’s the point of each gear having an effective/ maximum range of speeds which depends on the rev range of the engine. The faster the engine rotates, the faster you can go, up to the point when you need to change to a higher gear. Within the rotational speeds of the engine, there is a range of optimum efficiency called a “Powerband”, and this is where the fastest acceleration can be obtained. Matching the engine revs with the appropriate gear will result in faster acceleration. I could be wrong though, I only race in real life every weekend. So did I pass the test Mr. Knowitall?

 

[godzidane]

I assume you guys are using manual because it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake like spinning and it will help

Have you ever thought if that some one hardly makes any mistakes ?

Can you tell me how you drove a 900 horse power car without any aids enabled ? That is how manual feel s like

 

[Jawsers]

I assume you guys are using manual because it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake like spinning and it will help

Have you ever thought if that some one hardly makes any mistakes ?

You are just making this up as you go now? From starting at page 1 all the way to here, I see a descent into insanity. Or trolldom.

 

[Azuremen]

I have gotten so used to braking that I am already using the brake as the clutch in automatic

You, good sir, fail.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, have never driven a real car, and just are trolling or a complete idiot. Not sure which.

 

[VEXD]

I'll ask someone to close the thread... this is wasting server space...

I might re-add you though God, something tells me you will be really quick in that GT-R, and I like a challenge....

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[godzidane]

I'll ask someone to close the thread... this is wasting server space...

I might re-add you though God, something tells me you will be really quick in that GT-R, and I like a challenge....

👍

You may close this thread

But keep the manual transmission to your self

Mean while I shall will add 1 one vote for to automatic transmission

 

[Azuremen]

Down shifting late into a corner with as much break as possible without locking them is far better than just breaking with an auto still wanting to drive the car into the corner. And rev matching on the way out is easier in a manual (really its only do-able in a manual) . Exit speeds are therefore higher and result in better top speed (IN THE GAME). Regardless of how close the game is to real life, the ability to use “manual” over an auto will result in faster lap times. There are two different types of drivers. Ones that can drive manual and the ones that can’t. Automatic users are essentially just steering the car.

Not really. I believe it’s the point of each gear having an effective/ maximum range of speeds which depends on the rev range of the engine. The faster the engine rotates, the faster you can go, up to the point when you need to change to a higher gear. Within the rotational speeds of the engine, there is a range of optimum efficiency called a “Powerband”, and this is where the fastest acceleration can be obtained. Matching the engine revs with the appropriate gear will result in faster acceleration. I could be wrong though, I only race in real life every weekend. So did I pass the test Mr. Knowitall?

And you do not rev match at corner exit, Rev matching is something you do when you are braking. You are so very wrong, and clearly lying about weekend track time it isn't even funny.

 

[VEXD]

I thought it was funny....

Infact I've been laughing out loud at this thread for the last hour or so....

:tup:

 

[CarreraGT]

Not really. I believe it’s the point of each gear having an effective/ maximum range of speeds which depends on the rev range of the engine. The faster the engine rotates, the faster you can go, up to the point when you need to change to a higher gear. Within the rotational speeds of the engine, there is a range of optimum efficiency called a “Powerband”, and this is where the fastest acceleration can be obtained. Matching the engine revs with the appropriate gear will result in faster acceleration. I could be wrong though, I only race in real life every weekend. So did I pass the test Mr. Knowitall?

Relax, I wasn't testing you. Rev matching or throttle "blipping" refers to matching the engine and gearbox speeds for downshifts. This is done for two reasons, to match gear speeds and allow the lower gear to be selected in non-synchromesh gearboxes, and to match engine speed to road speed to avoid wheel lock under compression.

What you are referring to is simply shift timing, but I guess if you raced every weekend you would already know that

 

[freedomweasel]

Not really. I believe it’s the point of each gear having an effective/ maximum range of speeds which depends on the rev range of the engine. The faster the engine rotates, the faster you can go, up to the point when you need to change to a higher gear. Within the rotational speeds of the engine, there is a range of optimum efficiency called a “Powerband”, and this is where the fastest acceleration can be obtained. Matching the engine revs with the appropriate gear will result in faster acceleration. I could be wrong though, I only race in real life every weekend. So did I pass the test Mr. Knowitall?

That is not rev matching. Look up heel-toe shifting, that is rev matching.

You sort of seem to be describing ideal shift points using confusing language.

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

And you do not rev match at corner exit, Rev matching is something you do when you are braking. You are so very wrong, and clearly lying about weekend track time it isn't even funny.

OMG... are you serious? You rev match on the way down, down shifting late (selecting the right gear on the down shift to slow) will result in lower engine revs. I was talking about hitting the powerband via rev matching and shifting on the exit. Which is the same but in reverse. Rev before shifting (peak the engine), shift and then gas it. That is also rev matching. Or "ideal shifting". Its the same bloody thing.

Next week at pre-school i will teach you how to finger paint.

 

[Dragon_Dude]

I just can't believe anyone would argue so long on such a topic as this...thought it was common knowledge that manual is faster than auto.

 

[Silver-Sylph]

Name one professional racecar driver that likes auto.....

 

[CarreraGT]

@ GT_Fanatic69 Haha, I can't take this anymore. You are so far from knowing what you are talking about it's not funny (well actually it's hilarious). Thankyou for bringing some joy to my otherwise boring day at work

 

[arora]

From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?

This is the question of the thread and poll right? And this thread is in the gt5 section of the forum so I'm guessing this is in reguards to gt5? It should be very obvious to anyone who has played the game that manual is faster from point a to point b in a straight line while playing gt5.

As for the rest of the postings.... LOL

Very intertaining indeed but on a serious note it kinda makes gtp look silly.

 

[Terronium-12]

I've one question and only one question:

Is this conversation really happening right now?

 

[CarreraGT]

Ha yeah I apologise, this conversation is ridiculous. I was just enjoying the banter too much. That said though the title of the thread is a bit misleading, so you could forgive people for getting a off topic

 

[sumbrownkid]

This shirt sums it up perfectly.

 

[GT_Fanatic69]

I guess these two sites of rev matching and the reference to rev matching on the up shift are wrong also. I could find more but hey… what’s the point of showing you that they are wrong also.
I’m off to prepare my imaginary car for my imaginary track day where I don’t know how to drive as I’m ten years old. While I’m at it I guess I’ll finger paint some.
http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/smooth-driving.htm
http://everything2.com/title/rev+matching

 

[Dragon_Dude]

This shirt sums up it perfectly.

This +1

 

[DGCSE]

i prefer manual to automatic in real life and in all my racing games, in games its way more fun and in real life you the torque is more direct

 

[CarbonFlywheel]

Taking into account a grid start at Fuji, I run without instruments and use only the in car dials, and 9 times out of 10, I can flat out hit the holeshot before we hit turn one against any car that is roughly the same, maybe even a slight boost in power wouldnt help him much.

Automatic was build for convenience, not sport.

 

[Azuremen]

OMG... are you serious? You rev match on the way down, down shifting late (selecting the right gear on the down shift to slow) will result in lower engine revs. I was talking about hitting the powerband via rev matching and shifting on the exit. Which is the same but in reverse. Rev before shifting (peak the engine), shift and then gas it. That is also rev matching. Or "ideal shifting". Its the same bloody thing.

Next week at pre-school i will teach you how to finger paint.

I love the attitude of new members around here.

Your car should always be in gear, and you should always be in the powerband when down shifting, provided you are doing it correctly. I see at no point you'd have to rev the engine back up at corner exit if you entered it correctly. I am fully familiar with both theory and application of driving technique, thank you very much. And I see no where in your link on rev matching where it discusses matching revs at the corner exit

I'm also quite curious where you get track time every weekend, and what car you are doing this with.

I guess these two sites of rev matching and the reference to rev matching on the up shift are wrong also. I could find more but hey… what’s the point of showing you that they are wrong also.
I’m off to prepare my imaginary car for my imaginary track day where I don’t know how to drive as I’m ten years old. While I’m at it I guess I’ll finger paint some.
http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/smooth-driving.htm
http://everything2.com/title/rev+matching

Imaginary car indeed.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

With a car that peaks its power at 6k then drop right after and the red line is at 8k auto will lose because it won't stay in the powerband since it will gear up at the redline.

 

[johnnutz]

I assume you guys are using manual because it helps you get high revs out when you make a mistake like spinning and it will help

Have you ever thought if that some one hardly makes any mistakes ?

Can you tell me how you drove a 900 horse power car without any aids enabled ? That is how manual feel s like

I love driving my 1040hp Minolta with no aids (okay except abs 1). Is it challenging? Sure. Would it be extremely frustrating for someone inexperienced at using manual? Absolutely. But it is faster, more enjoyable, and ultimately more rewarding.