Auto is better than manual transmission

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From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?

  • Auto

    Votes: 75 11.3%

  • Manual

    Votes: 587 88.7%
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Villain
This is your brain: :D
This is your brain trying to explain things to a small child: :)
This is your brain trying to explain things to godzidane: :banghead:
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Beautiful /\

BUT, please pay super good attention.

A manual transmission lets you control the gears, manually.
An automatic transmission AUTOMATICALLY shifts.

Now, an automatic transmission DOES shift faster than a standard.
BUT, an automatic shifts when it wants. Not when you want.

So, if an automatic transmission shifted when you wanted it to, it would be better. But you can control a standard, so someone who either A) knows their car, B) can listen to their car, or C) pays attention to their spedo from 3-2-1- to next time they drop to 1st gear, they WILL be faster if they know when.

So your auto will shift faster than my standard. But when you heading to a turn, and your auto shifts to 5th, while I just redline my standard, you will be stuck trying to pull out of the turn in 5th (waiting for it to shift) while I power out in 4th, still.

Also, this is why there are paddles and the Porsche DPK. Because unfortunately, robots and computers are better than us. If we can control them, our powers combined are better than either alone. I prefer my standard, but proper paddles with a good driver will always win.:indiff:
 
GT55YW
Beautiful /\

BUT, please pay super good attention.

A manual transmission lets you control the gears, manually.
An automatic transmission AUTOMATICALLY shifts.

Now, an automatic transmission DOES shift faster than a standard.
BUT, an automatic shifts when it wants. Not when you want.

So, if an automatic transmission shifted when you wanted it to, it would be better. But you can control a standard, so someone who either A) knows their car, B) can listen to their car, or C) pays attention to their spedo from 3-2-1- to next time they drop to 1st gear, they WILL be faster if they know when.

So your auto will shift faster than my standard. But when you heading to a turn, and your auto shifts to 5th, while I just redline my standard, you will be stuck trying to pull out of the turn in 5th (waiting for it to shift) while I power out in 4th, still.

Also, this is why there are paddles and the Porsche DPK. Because unfortunately, robots and computers are better than us. If we can control them, our powers combined are better than either alone. I prefer my standard, but proper paddles with a good driver will always win.:indiff:
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You are talking about real life situations here. The matter at hand is about in GT5. The automatic is not automatic in GT5. It shifts at the same speed in automatic as in manual mode.
 
Jawsers
You are talking about real life situations here. The matter at hand is about in GT5. The automatic is not automatic in GT5. It shifts at the same speed in automatic as in manual mode.
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Conclusion is still the same. Proper use of a manual transmission will always be quicker 👍




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Jawsers
You are talking about real life situations here. The matter at hand is about in GT5. The automatic is not automatic in GT5. It shifts at the same speed in automatic as in manual mode.
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Speed? :ill: You mean the TIME it takes to change gears? If so, yes. There is no CLUTCH to press in GT5, thats one way its not like real life.

However, WHEN you decide to change gears is up to YOU in manual and up to the game in auto. THAT is why manual is better.
 
GT55YW
Beautiful /\

BUT, please pay super good attention.

A manual transmission lets you control the gears, manually.
An automatic transmission AUTOMATICALLY shifts.

Now, an automatic transmission DOES shift faster than a standard.
BUT, an automatic shifts when it wants. Not when you want.

So, if an automatic transmission shifted when you wanted it to, it would be better. But you can control a standard, so someone who either A) knows their car, B) can listen to their car, or C) pays attention to their spedo from 3-2-1- to next time they drop to 1st gear, they WILL be faster if they know when.

So your auto will shift faster than my standard. But when you heading to a turn, and your auto shifts to 5th, while I just redline my standard, you will be stuck trying to pull out of the turn in 5th (waiting for it to shift) while I power out in 4th, still.

Also, this is why there are paddles and the Porsche DPK. Because unfortunately, robots and computers are better than us. If we can control them, our powers combined are better than either alone. I prefer my standard, but proper paddles with a good driver will always win.:indiff:
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A) you're talking about real life, not GT5
B) I hope you know that the PDK has very little to do with a traditional style automatic which will shift slower than a manual

C) In GT5 manual is faster, any other answer is patently incorrect.
 
Both manual and auto are identical but auto doesn't let you use the optimal performance, only the noob performance (change gear right before going into red).
Some cars need to change gear before that happens or after.

When do I use auto? When I rubber band grind and that's the only time I use auto.
Using automatic transmission is like using auto aim in FPS games.
It aims for torso but head does the most damage and the same can be said about GT5's automatic gear changes.
 
I can't believe this is still going on and that about 11% of :gtplanet: members that have voted are wrong.:sly:
 
Ecchi-BANZAII!!
Using automatic transmission is like using auto aim in FPS games.
It aims for torso but head does the most damage and the same can be said about GT5's automatic gear changes.
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That's actually a pretty darn good analogy. 👍 Both get the job done, but one does it just a little bit better and sometimes that little bit makes the difference.
 
Manual obviously has the most potential, I use Automatic though. That's how I've been playing GT4 since whenever it came out, Automatic and TCS only.
 
Really wish i had the book here to quote, but in Paul Frere's Sports Car and Competition Driving, a book that is still used today by some driving schools and was written in 1963, he actually touches on this topic. Seeing as this was written in a time where manual cars still only involved a clutch and an H pattern shifter, he says that an automatic car can and always will shift gears faster than a human being. He goes on to say that automatics are not suited for racing, but if there was a car that could shift automatically for you but you could select the gear with a button, that would be the best car for racing, he was essentially explaining how great paddle shifters would be well before they were introduced (effectively at least). His reasoning is that with an automatic you cannot select your gear when you want so even in a straight line you would be slower. This applies directly to GT5 since it shifts for you, but you can't select when, meaning you won't get optimum shifts. If you could alter the automatic so that it would shift at the optimum points, in a straight line it would be better, but around corners you're still likely to be in the wrong gear for the application. The sequential shifter in the game (talking controller or flappy paddle) is the best option because it shifts quickly and you can choose your gear.

He was also an engineer in addition to being a racer and he explains how (with a naturally aspirated engine) it is better to shift at different points due to the gear ratios and such and how you'll still get more power even though it's past the peak in a lower gear than if you were to shift to a higher gear at that point. This is something you cannot do with the automatic setting, it chooses it for you.
 
Dragunov
Auto is for kids and lazy/bad drivers and makes you slower, in real life and in game. You can control the RPM with a manual transmission.

You can change a bit later to get max speed in long straights, you can help braking downshifthing, you can choose how to get out of a turn, hig-rev to max aceleration or higher gear and lower rev to control the traction? And that's only a few examples.

Please learn to drive properly before posting dumb things:tdown:
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Very true! In real life I just know about few cars that run faster with automatic Example. B7 Alpina(famous for their AT) and the Supra of one my neightbors (I don't know how is an automatic Beast!) :scared:
 
tribolik
Auto is quicker and better thats why all race cars have auto transmition :dopey:
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Very well placed satire.

Whether using the H-shifter or the paddles, manual is better. In some corners, I use the top end of the lower gear (higher RPMs), so I can use the throttle to help adjust the attitude of the car (quick adjustments, without the brakes). In some corners, I use the low end of the higher gear (lower RPMs), to smooth the throttle response, and thus smooth the attitude of the car. The auto will not allow you to do this, because IT decides for you. It's really pretty simple, altho those who don't understand will continue to make their misinformed comments.
 
I know that Manual is faster, but I use Automatic, since I don't have the multitasking ability to look at and around the track AND when to change gear to make myself faster. In addition, I always forget to change down too.
 
C-ZETA
I know that Manual is faster, but I use Automatic, since I don't have the multitasking ability to look at and around the track AND when to change gear to make myself faster. In addition, I always forget to change down too.
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Ya just once 1 one time forget to downshift and you lost second s seconds there I think
 
Ecchi-BANZAII!!
only the noob performance (change gear right before going into red).
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Did you mean; change gear right before you're executing a driving maneuver causing you to loose control of the car and crash, or causing a need to hit the brakes and loose all excitement from the driving experience?

If so then 👍
 
godzidane
Ya just once 1 one time forget to downshift and you lost second s seconds there I think
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I'm not exaggerating when I say I have never missed/forgotten to shift in GT5.
It's also worth noting that I'm generally very average based on the time trial leaderboards.
 
Technically as you all say automatic transmission is slower and manual is faster but when it comes down to general driving in gt5 provid ed provided you can 100 hundred percent accurately down shift and down shift at the exact time and or spot then I would have say automatic transmission would have at the very least an equal say in this regard
 
It's not hard to downshift, and by accurately downshift you mean what, do it when the game would do it in auto?

This is were you are missing some things, the added control you gain by downshifting when you want is huge. Lets say you want to stabalize the car, or initiate a drift, or coast into a turn, or a bunch of other things....

Also how does downshifting effect "From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?"
 
Just one upshift or downshift in the wrong place by the auto transmission and you will lose time right there. The difference is that with practice, any reasonably competent person can get manual shifting right 99% of the time. And auto shifting will be wrong on 100% of laps run.

Just stop arguing and use the time to learn manual. You won't regret it.
 
arora
It's not hard to downshift, and by accurately downshift you mean what, do it when the game would do it in auto?

This is were you are missing some things, the added control you gain by downshifting when you want is huge. Lets say you want to stabalize the car, or initiate a drift, or coast into a turn, or a bunch of other things....

Also how does downshifting effect "From point a to b straight line speed who will reach the finishing line first ?"
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In my opinion is equal in regard when taking in other factors

And I have my reservations in regard to straight line speed out come which in my opinion also ta ing taking in other factors
 
godzidane
Technically as you all say automatic transmission is slower and manual is faster but when it comes down to general driving in gt5 provid ed provided you can 100 hundred percent accurately down shift and down shift at the exact time and or spot then I would have say automatic transmission would have at the very least an equal say in this regard
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No. No. No. :lol:

Any instances in GT5 of automatic being "equal" is because of driver error in trying to use a manual. If automatic is faster for you because you can't use manual, that's fine. That is due to your own abilities though.
 
godzidane
In my opinion is equal in regard when taking in other factors

And I have my reservations in regard to straight line speed out come which in my opinion also ta ing taking in other factors
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It doesn't matter what your opinion is. Your opinion is based on incorrect information and/or incorrect perception.

You are wrong.

:banghead::banghead:
 
godzidane
Tachnically manual faster

Subjectively automatic equals

Can we just agree on this ?
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No.
Manual is faster.
Subjectively, one may prefer automatic.

I can't tell if you really just don't understand, or if this has been 23 pages of being trolled.
 
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