Automatic vs. Manual

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What type of transmission do you prefer in real life?


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Manuals aren't going anywhere in our lifetime. I wish everyone drove stick in America like they do in every other country.

If only, but like it or not (and I don't) electric cars are only going to become more common. And they only have forwards and reverse.

By 2050, the EU want petrol and diesel out of cities. That is still within our lifetime.
 
Manuals aren't going anywhere in our lifetime. I wish everyone drove stick in America like they do in every other country.

I have a feeling they might be more rare though. Sadly Americans want life to be as easy as possible. They want everything to be done for them. My friends don't get that they have to work for some things. All of them get what they want, and their parents use other people to do their chores.

I don't get this, so I usually do everything for myself. Thats why I learned on a Manual.

If you go to another country, and ask for an Automatic, they would laugh at you. If you go to America, and ask for a Manual. THey wouldn't have a clue of what your talking about.

Electric cars and Hydrogen Powered cars are getting more popular. Hydrogen cars use Manuals, or Automatics similar to Petrol cars, so I think Sticks will live on with these cars.
 
I thought hydrogen fuel cell cars would be electric, the hydrogen being a way of storing the energy that then powers the motors. Meaning that there would be no gears except for forward and reverse.

Maybe we will get lucky and someone will develop an internal combustion engine with a completely renewable fuel that, to the driver, is exactly like petrol or diesel engines of today. Aren't alcohol (ethanol) powered cars available in Scandinavia? I know there are bio-fuels (mixed petrol/diesel with ethanol) available all over Europe.

Edit: It's Brazil that uses E100, Sweden uses ED95 (a blend of 95% ethanol and 5% ignition improver and is used in modified diesel engines) and E85 (85% ethanol and 15% petrol).
 
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That's surprising actually.

Full brakes? Wow. You should probably...

Any car's factory brake system should be powerful enough to easily lock the tires. If you're able to give the brake pedal all it's got and that doesn't happen, then something is seriously wrong with your brakes.

You misunderstood me. The brakes in a stock z lock plenty easy, and I've been caught in a few close calls from drivers cutting me off our pulling out in front of me, and I slam on the brakes only to be stuck in full lock. Scary situation so I practiced learning where the maximum pressure I can use without fully locking the brakes.
 
I have a feeling they might be more rare though. Sadly Americans want life to be as easy as possible. They want everything to be done for them. My friends don't get that they have to work for some things. All of them get what they want, and their parents use other people to do their chores.

What's wrong with wanting life to be as easy as possible? Is this not the underlying desire behind almost all technological innovation, including the manual transmission? Afterall, what is a car if not something designed to make things easier. Do you think when the car was invented people were sitting around saying "these folks have it too easy with their auto-mobiles. That's why I ride a horse!"

Speaking of riding a horse, why don't you get down off of yours and recognize that there's nothing wrong with technology making life easier. A less defensible position is hard to think of.
 
What's wrong with wanting life to be as easy as possible? Is this not the underlying desire behind almost all technological innovation, including the manual transmission? Afterall, what is a car if not something designed to make things easier. Do you think when the car was invented people were sitting around saying "these folks have it too easy with their auto-mobiles. That's why I ride a horse!"

Speaking of riding a horse, why don't you get down off of yours and recognize that there's nothing wrong with technology making life easier. A less defensible position is hard to think of.

I'm not saying as everything is like that. I'm just saying that a lot of us would have a robot live are lives for us if it meant we didn't have to do anything.
 
I'm not saying as everything is like that. I'm just saying that a lot of us would have a robot live are lives for us if it meant we didn't have to do anything.

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Have you seen the Mercedes commercial? "I didn't know the guy ahead of me stopped short, but my Mercedes did."

*shakes head*

great old song about the direction humanity is headed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8

The movie Idiocracy is a good indication of the future, too.
 
I'm not saying as everything is like that. I'm just saying that a lot of us would have a robot live are lives for us if it meant we didn't have to do anything.

The idea is usually that we want the robots to do the things we don't want to do, and we do the things we have fun doing. So rather than criticize people for wanting their lives to be easier, your position seems to be that it's automating something you find enjoyable. That's not the same thing.

Your position really boils down to you having fun moving the stick back and forth.
 
there will be flying cars someday too.

But as you said with the Mercedes commercial, I think we'll see cars driving themselves sooner than flying cars. In fact I think we'll see cars driving themselves in the next 20-30 years. :( That'll be a sad day. :(
 
So, I'm voting for manual. CLUTCHLESS manual, that's also called sequental.
Damn, what idiot put the hardest and the easiest (in plan of driving) transmission types in one group!? (trolls, go out - I was oriented on that list)
Just look how much differences they have:
Manual has clutch pedal (curse it) - Sequental hasn't.
Manual has separate section for each gear - in sequental you just need to move shift stick up/down.
Let's look on parking:
Sequental:
Pressing gas pedal, clicking 2 times with shift stick, pressing gas pedal, clicking 2 times with shift stick in opposite side, repeat until successfully parked. Easy, huh? (parking with automatic transmission is a bit different, but as easy as parking with sequental)
Manual:
Pressing gas pedal, pressing and holding clutch pedal, moving shift stick in oppposite edge, only then releasing clutch pedal, pressing gas pedal, pressing and holding clutch pedal, moving shift stick in oppposite edge, only then releasing clutch pedal, repeat until you're parked your car. One mistake - have problems.
Also, if you need to stop fast on icy road you must to hold brake pedal and move gears down, ONE AFTER ONE. Again, using manual transmission is the most FFFFFFFrUUUUUUUstrating. One mistake - have problems.
And the weakest point on the forums like that - racing. Racing on fast car, no matter if it's Mercedes C-class touring car on Laguna Seca or Lamborghini Cala on the forest road. And again, manual transmission is your enemy. And again, one mistake - have problems.
I have to say only one thing - WHY THE F-- THEY'RE IN ONE GROUP!? WHY THE F--!?
I love sequental transmission as much as I hate manual. But WHY THE F-- most of the car manufacturers still prefer manual/automatic to sequental!?

PS: Cars driving themselves? I do not want them. Make these cars for elite or lasy guys, but let driveable cars survive.
 
Why does everyone think that driving a manual is full of mistakes? I've only been driving manual for a little over 2 years and I've never shifted "from 5th to 2nd" or anything like that. In fact I find that to be a pretty hard mistake since the position of every gear is really well defined...You need no pressure to the left to move to 4th from 5th. Pull the stick back out of 5th and it naturally moves to the middle of the shift pattern, back towards you still will land it in 4th.


Those praising autos/SMGs/etc act like driving a manual is a laborious torture we put on ourselves. Its completely second nature to shift when you drive a manual. We aren't constantly worrying "oh dear, pretty soon I'm going to have to decide to move my left foot over to the clutch pedal and remove my right hand from the steering wheel over to the gear shift lever and figure out where the lever actually is at this moment and then I'm going to have to look all around me for any threats that could pop up and endanger me as I press this pedal to the floor and then move the lever into the position at which I've carefully calculated will be the best decision for the upcoming moments".
 
The Nissan thing is clever, but not for me. I don't really want the car to rev match for me. Syncro's are a little different, as not having these are before my time.

Therein probably lies part of the answer, I learnt to drive in a manual. My family all have manuals except for my grandfather and uncle, who have never had manuals.

As to the cut-off point, that again is purely personal. Had I been driving before syncro's I might have preferred to not have them, maybe not. But having tried auto's, manuals and semi-auto's, I know where my preference lies.

As for abs, you never notice it until you it does it's thing, at which point you do need it. In a game, I switch it off, in my car I always want it there just in case. Same with ESP.

Power steering is more noticeable, but you can't buy a new car without it, not anything that I can use anyway. I'm ok with it, as long as it's not too over assisted.
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Can't say that better.

If I have to double declutch in every daily commute I will probably be scared to death, but deep inside I rather like that idea haha.

I do prefer manual on a daily basis, makes even traffic jam more fun to be in.
 
"oh dear, pretty soon I'm going to have to decide to move my left foot over to the clutch pedal and remove my right hand from the steering wheel over to the gear shift lever and figure out where the lever actually is at this moment and then I'm going to have to look all around me for any threats that could pop up and endanger me as I press this pedal to the floor and then move the lever into the position at which I've carefully calculated will be the best decision for the upcoming moments".

Funny, but not too far from me. (just move out totally stupid text)
 
I've never stalled my car, never mis-shifted into a wrong gear. Automatic is for women. I respect a man less if he can't drive stick. Cars are fun, manuals are what MAKES them fun. I would even drive a Hyundai Accent and enjoy it if it was a stick. Since driving is basically a necessity in society today, why wouldn't you want to have fun? Why would you want your car to choose gears for you? Are you insane?
 
I've never stalled my car, never mis-shifted into a wrong gear. Automatic is for women. I respect a man less if he can't drive stick. Cars are fun, manuals are what MAKES them fun. I would even drive a Hyundai Accent and enjoy it if it was a stick. Since driving is basically a necessity in society today, why wouldn't you want to have fun? Why would you want your car to choose gears for you? Are you insane?

Troll much?

A number of incorrect assumptions in there:
- That never stalling a car is something to brag about
- That people who drive auto do so only because they can't drive stick.
- That manual transmissions make driving fun (tell that to any F1 driver)
- That a Hyundai Accent can ever been enjoyable

If you're driving a stick and you've never stalled your car I have news for you - you're not good at driving a stick. I assume you're lying. If you're not, you're killing your clutch.
 
I've never stalled my car, never mis-shifted into a wrong gear. Automatic is for women. I respect a man less if he can't drive stick. Cars are fun, manuals are what MAKES them fun. I would even drive a Hyundai Accent and enjoy it if it was a stick. Since driving is basically a necessity in society today, why wouldn't you want to have fun? Why would you want your car to choose gears for you? Are you insane?

Please leave this thread.
 
I won't leave this thread, and I don't fry my clutch. I have mechanical empathy. If you'd like to come join me for a ride, I'd show you, but you'd have to sit on the floor seeing as how I don't have a passenger seat. I don't over-rev (fry the clutch) or under-rev (bogging). I know the sweet spot and I hit it every time. You can disbelieve me all you want, it's no skin off my back. I treat my car like a lady. I'm a troll and I should leave this thread because I can drive stick better than you can drive automatic? Sounds like jealousy.
 
I won't leave this thread, and I don't fry my clutch. I have mechanical empathy. If you'd like to come join me for a ride, I'd show you, but you'd have to sit on the floor seeing as how I don't have a passenger seat. I don't over-rev (fry the clutch) or under-rev (bogging). I know the sweet spot and I hit it every time.

You need to have stalled a car at least once to be able to say this. I call BS on both - the concept that not having stalled a car is a good thing, and the claim that you haven't done it.
 
I'm 27 years old, I've owned 5 stickshift cars. I stalled 2 of them a handful of times. And it IS a good thing to not stall the car. Why the hell would you want to stall the car?
 
I've never stalled my car, never mis-shifted into a wrong gear. Automatic is for women. I respect a man less if he can't drive stick. Cars are fun, manuals are what MAKES them fun. I would even drive a Hyundai Accent and enjoy it if it was a stick. Since driving is basically a necessity in society today, why wouldn't you want to have fun? Why would you want your car to choose gears for you? Are you insane?

Lol! I respect men that drive effeminate small convertibles less than people that drive proper cars... but that's not that important now either. Cars are fun for many more reasons than just changing gear! I pity you if the only satisfaction you get from driving is from moving the gearstick around -- I drive my car for pleasure too, rather than simply out of necessity, and I have lots of fun while I'm at it. It's got nothing to do with can or can't, I've been driving a manual since I first passed my driving test, but I've had auto's as well, and am totally comfortable with either.
 
Troll much?

A number of incorrect assumptions in there:
- That never stalling a car is something to brag about
- That people who drive auto do so only because they can't drive stick.
- That manual transmissions make driving fun (tell that to any F1 driver)
- That a Hyundai Accent can ever been enjoyable

If you're driving a stick and you've never stalled your car I have news for you - you're not good at driving a stick. I assume you're lying. If you're not, you're killing your clutch.
You don't have to kill a clutch to not stall a car. Sure the first week you're getting the hang of it, but it does not take long before it becomes second nature. Stalling doesn't feel healthy on the car either, all that shuddering and jerking, why would you want to do that?
Yea, they're probably either bored or miserable.

Or mad and yelling at their cars to go faster
 
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