Ban on car duplication?

[Kwicko]

Once I acquire about 5 more Le Mans I'm just going to start duplicating my garage and give people free cars every day. I have basically every useful car on the game now anyway. Can't wait to spread the love.




Haters gonna hate. It's a game. Get over it.

Right on. I concur.

I've been giving away a few cars when slots open up. I find someone who needs something, and I contact them and send it to them free of charge, no trades wanted or expected, and nobody's seemed to have any problem with it who received a car from me in this way. I've found a couple people who lost their data in a PS3 meltdown and didn't have it backed up, and they certainly haven't complained or asked if the cars were dupes or not.

 

[Machate-man]

The Ultimate Solution:

Why not just incorperate a trading option and get rid of the "gifting"
Also, they should lock gamesaves to Actual PS3 systems, rather than PSN ID.

 

[Jebon]

Ultimate Solution:

PD didn't do anything. Let us who bought the game with our own hard-earned money do whatever we want. If you don't like duping, don't do it. Let people do what they want. It's up to us on how we gonna enjoy the game.

 

[Destinkeys]

I'm still a bit confused how anyone can still claim that duping gives one NO advantage online. Let me explain, ONE MORE TIME....

My time is finite. I only have so much time, per week, that I can play the game. In that time, I try to enjoy playing it, and don't grind endlessly. Hence, I can only rack up so many cr. and win so many cars. And most of those are won, anyway, except for the endurance races and the Vettel Challenge.

So I can only afford to build my garage at what is really a glacial pace compared to someone that dupes. Remember, the exploit allows you to get a car, get EVERY upgrade possible, 'gift' it to yourself, then replace the game save with the one with ALL the money still in it. Gift it back, rinse and repeat. You can buy a 20M car every DAY like this...! You CERTAINLY can't actually PLAY the game at this pace and make 20M a day!

So, I want to enter an online race for 20M exotics, I'm lucky if I have even ONE to race, let alone a choice! Advantage, duper...

Let's imagine I like to race LMP cars (usually around 5M a pop). I'd also like to race them in Spec races, and upgraded, too. So, over 10M each (got to get two, because stupid PD won't let you REMOVE some upgrades). I don't have time to WIN that, at least not for a LONG time. Advantage, duper... Remember, every time you buy a car, you get the money back, including all spent on the upgrades and full sets of tires, etc.. In other words, every single car you get is FREE. One a day, free, no matter the cost.

Advantage, duper...

I just don't see how anyone can claim that it gives you NO advantage at all. I also don't see how anyone thinks you often have enough time to go BUY a car, buy all the upgrades, set all the tuning for a track, and get back to a Lobby before the race is OVER.

Advantage, duper...

 

[Kwicko]

Let's see... I've never once gone online racing with GT5, and have no plans to do so anytime soon. So what advantage do *I* gain by duping, exactly?

 

[Ya Pops]

I'm still a bit confused how anyone can still claim that duping gives one NO advantage online. Let me explain, ONE MORE TIME....

My time is finite. I only have so much time, per week, that I can play the game. In that time, I try to enjoy playing it, and don't grind endlessly. Hence, I can only rack up so many cr. and win so many cars. And most of those are won, anyway, except for the endurance races and the Vettel Challenge.

So I can only afford to build my garage at what is really a glacial pace compared to someone that dupes. Remember, the exploit allows you to get a car, get EVERY upgrade possible, 'gift' it to yourself, then replace the game save with the one with ALL the money still in it. Gift it back, rinse and repeat. You can buy a 20M car every DAY like this...! You CERTAINLY can't actually PLAY the game at this pace and make 20M a day!

So, I want to enter an online race for 20M exotics, I'm lucky if I have even ONE to race, let alone a choice! Advantage, duper...

Let's imagine I like to race LMP cars (usually around 5M a pop). I'd also like to race them in Spec races, and upgraded, too. So, over 10M each (got to get two, because stupid PD won't let you REMOVE some upgrades). I don't have time to WIN that, at least not for a LONG time. Advantage, duper... Remember, every time you buy a car, you get the money back, including all spent on the upgrades and full sets of tires, etc.. In other words, every single car you get is FREE. One a day, free, no matter the cost.

Advantage, duper...

I just don't see how anyone can claim that it gives you NO advantage at all. I also don't see how anyone thinks you often have enough time to go BUY a car, buy all the upgrades, set all the tuning for a track, and get back to a Lobby before the race is OVER.

Advantage, duper...

Well, you've answered your own question haven't you?
Go do what needs to be done instead of wasting your time moaning about something you can't change.

Like I said before, it's tough doodoo, and you're just pissed because others have more than you.

PS. Boo hoo.

 

[Destinkeys]

Let's see... I've never once gone online racing with GT5, and have no plans to do so anytime soon. So what advantage do *I* gain by duping, exactly?

None. Stay offline, I don't give a RAT'S 🤬 what you do with the game. Read the whole thread before you comment...

 

[Jebon]

Let's see... I've never once gone online racing with GT5, and have no plans to do so anytime soon. So what advantage do *I* gain by duping, exactly?

👍

Same here. The only time I race online is Seasonal Event. I'm dupe because I wants to collect all cars (except dlc's).

 

[deviln3]

Personally I will never trade in GT5 anymore, cause duped cars seem worthless to me.. Since everyone these days seems to have at least 10 X1s in their garage its lost all meaning.

You guys can say that its not cheating and no one is getting an advantage, but essentially you are getting a car which would have required hours on hours of effort, quite effortless now.

 

[Kwicko]

None. Stay offline, I don't give a RAT'S 🤬 what you do with the game. Read the whole thread before you comment...

Maybe you should stay offline until you put in enough time to get some decent cars. And quit being pissy with those who are willing to put in the time that you aren't.

 

[Ya Pops]

Personally I will never trade in GT5 anymore, cause duped cars seem worthless to me.. Since everyone these days seems to have at least 10 X1s in their garage its lost all meaning.

You guys can say that its not cheating and no one is getting an advantage, but essentially you are getting a car which would have required hours on hours of effort, quite effortless now.

Glad to see you're getting the point 👍

 

[BETOGTR]

I'm still a bit confused how anyone can still claim that duping gives one NO advantage online. Let me explain, ONE MORE TIME....

My time is finite. I only have so much time, per week, that I can play the game. In that time, I try to enjoy playing it, and don't grind endlessly. Hence, I can only rack up so many cr. and win so many cars. And most of those are won, anyway, except for the endurance races and the Vettel Challenge.

So I can only afford to build my garage at what is really a glacial pace compared to someone that dupes. Remember, the exploit allows you to get a car, get EVERY upgrade possible, 'gift' it to yourself, then replace the game save with the one with ALL the money still in it. Gift it back, rinse and repeat. You can buy a 20M car every DAY like this...! You CERTAINLY can't actually PLAY the game at this pace and make 20M a day!

So, I want to enter an online race for 20M exotics, I'm lucky if I have even ONE to race, let alone a choice! Advantage, duper...

Let's imagine I like to race LMP cars (usually around 5M a pop). I'd also like to race them in Spec races, and upgraded, too. So, over 10M each (got to get two, because stupid PD won't let you REMOVE some upgrades). I don't have time to WIN that, at least not for a LONG time. Advantage, duper... Remember, every time you buy a car, you get the money back, including all spent on the upgrades and full sets of tires, etc.. In other words, every single car you get is FREE. One a day, free, no matter the cost.

Advantage, duper...

I just don't see how anyone can claim that it gives you NO advantage at all. I also don't see how anyone thinks you often have enough time to go BUY a car, buy all the upgrades, set all the tuning for a track, and get back to a Lobby before the race is OVER.

Advantage, duper...

Yes you seem confused, what everybody claims is that it doesn´t give you any advantage when racing , a duped car won´t have extra hp , more grip or less weight , so a duped car wont give anyone some kind of advantage when racing

 

[Destinkeys]

Well, you've answered your own question haven't you?
Go do what needs to be done instead of wasting your time moaning about something you can't change.

Like I said before, it's tough doodoo, and you're just pissed because others have more than you.

PS. Boo hoo.

Actually, by bringing up the issue at a forum I expect PD monitor, I AM trying to change things. As is everyone else that feels the same way. I care little about those that have larger garages by actually playing the game. They EARNED it. I am just disappointed it appears that, because a handful of ADD exploiters unabashedly use exploits to gain an advantage, we are all FORCED to join in or be at a disadvantage.

And, in the long run, I am FAR more angry at PD for having the lack of forethought to prevent the exploit in the first place. You can't stop children from being children, only being an adult prevents this Lord of the Flies scenario. PD failed epically in this regard.

But they rectified the situation when it was pointed out that a protected game save put us ALL potentially at risk to lose our entire game progress, which in a game that is likely to be played for YEARS, is a pretty big thing. It's likely they are looking at how this unprotected game save has unbalanced their intended game progression structure, and might be looking to solutions as we speak. It cannot be argued that this exploit was NOT what they intended for the game or its' players. So far, we have had only ONE patch since the game save was unlocked, and, to be honest, it's not something you expect a really quick solution to (or it would have been released that way). But if PD care about their OWN game, they are looking into it...

Dupe faster...

 

[Destinkeys]

Yes you seem confused, what everybody claims is that it doesn´t give you any advantage when racing , a duped car won´t have extra hp , more grip or less weight , so a duped car wont give anyone some kind of advantage when racing

Good God! Can't anyone READ any more? A duped car has no advantage over an unduped one. Duh! But a garage FULL of duped cars has an advantage over a MUCH smaller garage, which is all most have time for. It's not about the CAR. It's about the GARAGE.

 

[Kwicko]

Wow. Now you just sound like you're desperate to make excuses for why you can't win. Blame it all on the dupers, blame it on their huge garages... that's no doubt why you, such an elite driver, can't win online. Sure, that's it...

 

[Ya Pops]

All your argument boils down to is: I have to spend aaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggeeeessssss to get the cars I want. These guys have huge garages and didn't put in half the time I did...

Again, Boo Hoo.

 

[Destinkeys]

And it's assumptions like that, based in fantasy rather than reality, that demonstrates the bankruptcy of your position, You have NO IDEA if I am any good or not. Pure and utter conjecture. But saying it helps you feel better about it, I guess.

I don't feel any need to say whether you are any faster or slower than me. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the issue.

Logic fail.

 

[Kwicko]

Well, if you can beat them, then what do you care how or where they got their car? And if you can't beat them, why not?

It certainly seems to me that your whole point in constantly complaining about duping is that your opponents online have some unholy advantage over you. If that's a fantasy on my part, then why are you still complaining about it days later? In fact, if you'd been actually racing this whole time you've been on here complaining about dupers, you'd likely have some very nice cars by now!

I've never really cared much one way or the other about duping, but the more I hear people complain about it, the more I want to do it.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Okay, that's enough. Destinkeys, Ya Pops, you've been at each others' throats long enough. I don't care who started it, I don't care what was said and by whom, I just want the two of you to stand down. This is getting dangerously close to a flame war. If the two of you cannot address one another in a civil manner, I'll start cracking skulls. The moderators have been far too generous with the both of you until now.

 

[Kwicko]

Okay, that's enough. Destinkeys, Ya Pops, you've been at each others' throats long enough. I don't care who started it, I don't care what was said and by whom, I just want the two of you to stand down. This is getting dangerously close to a flame war. If the two of you cannot address one another in a civil manner, I'll start cracking skulls. The moderators have been far too generous with the both of you until now.

I'll put myself in there as well, and stand down, too. Arguments get heated, things get said...

 

[Niandra]

Well, if you can beat them, then what do you care how or where they got their car? And if you can't beat them, why not?

It certainly seems to me that your whole point in constantly complaining about duping is that your opponents online have some unholy advantage over you. If that's a fantasy on my part, then why are you still complaining about it days later? In fact, if you'd been actually racing this whole time you've been on here complaining about dupers, you'd likely have some very nice cars by now!

I've never really cared much one way or the other about duping, but the more I hear people complain about it, the more I want to do it.

Obviously he can't.. if you follow his "logic".
That's why he's complaining here right?

Again, you knew this thread was going nowhere.

 

[Ya Pops]

I'm cool Interludes. Sorry you got that impression.

Perhaps 'doodoo' was a little strong...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I'm going to close this thread for now and just give it a bit of a cooling-off period. I'll re-open it later.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Okay, everyone has had a chance to cool off. I'm going to open it back up now, but mark my words - if so much as one person looks like they are spoiling for a fight, the thread will be closed again and it will stay that way.

 

[McLaren]

Personally, I believe there is only ONE reason why duping affects others in any way whatsoever. I don't CARE if I worked for a car and others didn't. But I DO care that, if I go online and want to compete in a lobby with specific requirements, and I don't have a car close to it, but dupers have a LOT more cars to choose from (fully upgraded without paying for it), or multiple tunes of the same car (to sit at the top of the lobby requirements).

THEN, I'm at a bit of a disadvantage.

Ok, so here's a question for all of you taking this approach.

Unless they admit to duping, how do you know these people online are "cheating"? Because last I checked, there wasn't a tag online that said, "I duped this car. LOL!" What, are you going to actually look into the background of every player you've raced just so you can say, "HA! I knew he was cheating!" Boy, that'll show 'em.

So, it seems to me that when you go online, it's a free-for-all & if you don't have a competitive car, well tough luck. There doesn't seem to be anything though, but plain jealousy as far as I can see, for you to assume that the people who do have a car ready for whatever race it is you're doing, have cheated to get it.

 

[Destinkeys]

No, that's the whole POINT.... You DON'T.

Which leaves you to assume the worst, maybe of those that don't deserve it. Or the best, also of those that might not deserve it!

For me, the point of playing online is an even field. No longer are you pitted against moron AI, predictably early braking for every corner. You finally get to race others with hopefully, even skills. But, due to this exploit, you don't KNOW if their garage is built from experience and skill, or just a free car every day, no matter the cost.

Online is a plethora of different races. So many, needing so many different cars, at different weights and hp levels. Sometimes, unless you paint yourself into a corner and decide to restrict yourself to just a handful of classes (and hope that someone else wants to race in that particular bracket) it is quite difficult to stock your Favorites with JUST the right cars, when you don't dupe to get them. Due to the epic fail of the credit structure, it takes more grinding than most people are willing to put up with, to keep up with the dupers while staying honest to the game's intent.

Look, I'm not saying online is RUINED... but one of the things that keeps people interested in a game is the intrinsic evenness of it. It is what keeps LIFE interesting. People that are put in a situation that life is stacked against them become apathetic. Do we want this to happen to online, now that PD's lack of foresight has precipitated this?

 

[Jebon]

For me, the point of playing online is an even field. No longer are you pitted against moron AI, predictably early braking for every corner. You finally get to race others with hopefully, even skills. But, due to this exploit, you don't KNOW if their garage is built from experience and skill, or just a free car every day, no matter the cost.

No matter if they get the car by themselves or dupes, if they're skills, they'll win. Try set an online race with X2010. How did you know the winner dupes his car or not?

 

[vrooom]

Actually, by bringing up the issue at a forum I expect PD monitor, I AM trying to change things...
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...But if PD care about their OWN game, they are looking into it...

I highly doubt that PD are monitoring these forums or any forums for that matter. Also I highly doubt that they are going to put any serious effort to change the game. After all they have nothing to earn by doing that since we already bought it. Of course that's just me and I may be wrong...

You say you are you trying to change things. By my understanding you are trying to convince PD to ban 'duping'. Why don't you try to convince PD to unlock all cars (or at least all cars corresponding to your A-Spec level) in Arcade mode? Then (and only then) they can ban 'duping'!

I believe that most people who are buying cars for free are doing it because this is a much faster way to drive the cars they want. If all these cars were unlocked in arcade mode I wouldn't do it. Also I don't play online because I don't have time for it. I have time only for quick time trial blasts or arcade mode races.

So in my opinion PD should first unlock all cars in arcade mode. Then they can ban duping - I don't care. Till then I will continue buying cars for free. I don't race online since I don't have enough time and certainly I am not going to waste my time by grinding endlessly with cars and tracks I don't like just to be able to buy a single car (which I can't be sure it's going to be good) and then continue grinding!

GT5 for all it's flaws/bugs/glitches is in my opinion a much better game than GT3 and GT4. Mostly because it has convincing and rewarding physics instead of the lifeless and unrealistic physics of previous GTs. But also because right now with the ability to backup your game it's much easier to get the cars I like.

I thought GT5 has finished for me when I earned my first 1000000 cr. and buying the Enzo Ferrari. Then I discovered the save game glitch and seasonal events and thanks to them I can buy the cars I want and have fun with GT5. If PD would unlock all cars in Arcade mode I would have no reason for duping and I would have even more fun with GT5.

 

[Destinkeys]

No matter if they get the car by themselves or dupes, if they're skills, they'll win. Try set an online race with X2010. How did you know the winner dupes his car or not?

No, that's the whole POINT.... You DON'T.

Online is a plethora of different races. So many, needing so many different cars, at different weights and hp levels. Sometimes, unless you paint yourself into a corner and decide to restrict yourself to just a handful of classes (and hope that someone else wants to race in that particular bracket) it is quite difficult to stock your Favorites with JUST the right cars, when you don't dupe to get them. Due to the epic fail of the credit structure, it takes more grinding than most people are willing to put up with, to keep up with the dupers while staying honest to the game's intent.

You failed to quote the part actually explaining the question. It's not about ONE car. It's about a person's entire garage. That's what gives a duper an edge, not the individual cars.

 

[Mysterious R]

Let us all just hope that anyone duping cars gets a nice permanent ban from the future GT series, as if an actual currency trading system were to be put in place this game would end up just like forza: a garbage arcadey sim where every level 1 crasher has a billion credits, every car and a mouth bigger than the pacific. GT has always been known as a legit game which meant only the serious and legit played it, now there's all the people ruining it and this site with their immoral crap floating around all over the place.