Beater or Sleeper? GT6 Car of the Week Thread

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  1. Nismonath5

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    Hey also guys, something I've been meaning to bring up for a few days now...

    I'm starting a new job on Friday (My first job! woop woop!), but the downside is it's literally all on weekends. And of those weekends, most of it's Sundays. Which means I won't be able to host the Saturday COTW lobby anymore. :(

    I might still be able to attend the occasional one, but not nearly as often. So now the question is who's gonna host on Saturdays? I see @Vic Reign93 did it last time, but I don't know if that's a position he could adopt full time...

    By the way this doesn't affect my Tuesdays, I'll still be there on #GranTurismoTuesday, getting into the action! :sly:
     
  2. CaddyKOP

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    Hey everyone! I'm back!

    And first of all I want to say...I am very sorry. You know how life can be. I lost my job earlier this year and lost all inspiration and urge to play GT6 and write-up these things anymore. Now, however, I've gotten a new job and my life has gotten especially better. This job also gave me the ability to buy one of the things I've wanted for a long time.

    So, Tl;DR, here's what I've been doing for the past few months:

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    My Gamertag is DaftRyosuke, for those inclined.
    HOWEVER, not all hope is lost, because as I was browsing the internet tonight, and learned of Porsche and EA's split, I gathered enough courage and inspiration to hop on GT6. And what else to do with GT6, then come back to the place which I loved the most...The Beater or Sleeper Clan.

    So, without further adieu, my third attempt to keep at this begins.

    The Retro-Futurist

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    I've always had a thing for modernized classics. Things like Jaguar's continuation of the E-Type, and now Aston Martin's DB4 Continuation, always get me going with a huge crisis. Some of them are also insanely good, and a huge improvement over the cars they're based upon, and that's what I'm hoping this Trans-Cammer is.

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    I arrived on the scene not knowing what to expect as usual, but I was mostly surprised to see not a Mustang Trans Cammer, but a Dodge Ram. Then it hit me...this thing's probably not road-legal, and we gotta get it to that racetrack somehow...but you know what, I don't even care, this thing is gorgeous. The craftmanship is absolutely beautiful, from bow to stern, I can't get over this thing. It's low, long, and sleek, everything a Mustang wishes it was.

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    So, after gawking at the thing, we loaded it up and towed it down to the track.

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    This thing sticks to the track, like glue to the road. It's amazing.

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    It's also lightning fast.

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    Where the things falls short is in the corners. It's very heavy and tail happy.

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    It also has piss-poor visibility, and the engine note is not one of love. Very angry.

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    The Verdict

    As beautiful as this thing is, it's full of flaws, and as much as I wanted to like it, it just doesn't stack up. It's sad to say that for my first night back and I have to give the first car a beater rating. I really wanted to like this thing, but it almost feels inherently brash for brash sakes. It's gorgeous, and it's great in the straights, but there's better out there in the retro-mod circuit.
     
  3. Nismonath5

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    Thought I'd share this, simply cos the Axela was last week's car... there's a car at the back of my dad's storage unit that's always had a cover over it. Well, today the cover came off and.... It's a Mazda Axela MPS production Touring Car!! 20161213_193359.jpg
     
  4. Obelisk

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    ...Any chance your dad can sell that? :lol:
     
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  5. Nismonath5

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    Actually, it's being stored there for a mate of ours, and he's paying rent, so that car's earning dad money just by sitting there :sly:
     
  6. Thematic

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    The Mustang Trans-Cammer shows its impracticality when you are sidereally challenged. The dashboard is useless!

    Took it to a famous shore village, I think it wasn't any faster than a V16T there.


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    Street tyres and this chicane calls for some stone age - I mean early braking.
     
  7. JackRyanWMU

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    So, who'll be hosting tonight? I should be there today unlike last 2 weeks or so. :)
     
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  9. Vic Reign93

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    Seeing as Nismo is now working the weekends (congrats on the job :tup:), it looks like Saturday hosting duties are now between me and Baron (or anyone else who volunteers for it.).

    If you haven't added me or Baron on PSN, now's a good time to do so and i'll once again cover tonight's hosting role.

    That being said, let's get this road on the show.. wait hold u-

    "Dangs For Smut Narc Stammer"

    First off you're probably thinking, what the hell is that title?!

    Believe it or not, that is actually an anagram for Ford Mustang and Trans Cammer and I picked the two I liked the most and put them together. :D

    Shame i'm not called Gregory House as there's a true diamond in that one, "Huge Ego Sorry". :lol:

    But I digress.

    The Trans Cammer is a SEMA show car built around a 1970 Ford Mustang with a legendary Ford engine.

    The SOHC 427CI V8 was originally built as a rival to another legendary engine, the Chrysler 426 Hemi in the world of NASCAR.

    However in October 1964 Nascar moved to ban all "Special Racing Engines" which included the Hemi and Cammer, Chrysler responded by temporarily withdrawing from Nascar and Ford carrying on with the Pushrod 427 and taking the Cammer to the drag strip.

    Ford lobbied like hell to get the Cammer into Nascar and in 1966 after it being banned again, the 427 SOHC was now legal to race, but of course they put a few handicaps in place.

    It was only allowed to run in the full size Ford Galaxie, it had to run a small 4 barrel carburettor and it had to weigh near 4400lbs, 430lbs more than the Dodge or Plymouth Hemis. :crazy:

    Fords response? Screw you Nascar, We're going drag racing with the Cammer. :p

    The Cammer enjoyed quite a lot of success in the 60's drag racing world despite having a long timing chain( an issue that could be addressed with chromoly links.) and weak engine block for the power levels they were at.

    An engine that was originally built for Speedway racing and maybe 750hp maximum was getting around 2,500hp shoved through its internals and it's no surprise that some teams were lucky to get 8 or so runs out of a block, 4 for qualifying and 4 for eliminations.

    Eventually one of those 427 SOHC engines found its way into a SEMA showcar that now also lives in the world of GT.

    The car costs 725,000Cr which makes it more expensive than the V16T and the SLR Mercedes, but you get a 600+hp V8 wrapped up in a 1721kg body with a 5 speed gearbox.

    Now the gearbox in my eyes is set up for canyon carving and drag racing with 5th gear being like a highway gear that you can still max out.

    It'll touch 200mph because of that gear and then we get to the corners.

    Now MC and Twitch follower Nero both hated this car where as Baron and I both liked it because of its cornering abilites.

    Yes it'll bite quite happily so some finesse is required, but it hides its 1721kgs very well in the corners when you aren't smoking the tyres and going sideways around EVERY SINGLE CORNER. :D:lol:

    So in conclusion, it might get a beater rating from others due to its high price and tempermentalness, I say it's neutral because it feels solid and justifys it's price tag...just. :)

    Verdict: Neutral
     
  10. Baron Blitz Red

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    No, it's not a Tranny Cam, it's the Trans-Cammer!!!

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    Well this week I decided to go with something a little different. Over the past 3 years of GT6 victims, I've let it be known that I'm not a fan of FF drivetrain cars, and that I usually dislike heavy cars. So for me, this was a strange(ish) pick. This was me trying to show what Car of the Week (Beater or Sleeper) was all about. Just because it was a former SEMA winner doesn't necessarily mean it would be a Sleeper, or even drive well in our eyes.

    When I first got the notification via email, I just knew @McClarenDesign would be looking for anything but a JDM car... and reading the PM cinched it. Honestly, I was thinking of the premium Cuda first. But after a brief discussion of muscle cars here in GT6, I decided to showcase a car that didn't hit the rev limiter as fast as the 0-60 times of some of our previous cars. This one jumped out of my memory and into my fingers to type it's name.

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    My choice being made, I went to the Stockyard to get it out of storage. Straight to Melissa and the boys at GT Auto it went, to get the dust washed off and to see what else it needed. Getting it back to my garage, I looked over the stats... and my heart sank. WTF?!? 1700+kilo's!!! I don't remember that!!! This was followed by a few other choice phrases which quickly helped to fill the swear jar.

    So I jumped in said car and took it to Spa to try and remember what it was that I liked about it in the first place. I didn't even get to Eau Rouge to realise "Oh ya, it doesn't feel as heavy as it actually is". Two laps later and I really remembered what impressed me... it's American and it turns!!! Neat concept!!! Now to wait til Tuesday...

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    So after 2 good sessions of racing on both Tuesday and Saturday, I still really like it. Yes, it has its issues. Most cars do. But none are enough for me to declare it a Beater. On the other hand, everything that I do like about isn't enough for me to declare it a Sleeper either. For me, it just doesn't feel as heavy as it is. It handles really well... exceptionally well for its weight. It's plenty fast enough and it doesn't try to murder that poor little needle by beating it against the pin that you only notice if it gets that far.

    Even though I like it, it still gets a Neutral rating. Just because I pick it doesn't mean it's automatically in the good books. But it is good enough for me to want to share it here... with all of you.

    Cheers
     
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  11. Nismonath5

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    Black Beauty...
    The Mustang that should be brilliant, but is it?
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    Right from the get-go, I knew I was in for a rough week!

    Classic cars aren't exactly my specialty. But man, being born in that era would have been awesome! Shelby GT350s were sold for a mere $4,500! The Z/28 Camaro was yours for a cool $3,200! You want a genuine '69 Charger Daytona? $3,100 will put that beast in your driveway! Cars were cheap back then...

    This week's car is one of those "Take a classic car and revamp it into a complete badass" projects. It's a classic car, but it's been brought into today's world with modern equipment. Sometimes this can work out quite well, like in the case of the Pozzi Motorsports Camaro, but is the Trans-Cammer any good?

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    "Target acquired!" Says Ash.

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    The lobby must have glitched, because when the Mid-Field race came around, @Draggon was parked here the entire race from my POV...

    Well, right from the get-go I knew I was in for a rough night. The first race was started with a mass smashfest, and the Mustang seemed quite lazy and unwilling to move. But when I was a bit more stern with it, it instead became too willing to move, and it would slide. This would turn out to be a consistent problem for me throughout the races. I tried all sorts of things to counter it, I tried the good old fashioned "be a bit gentler", tried turning the ASM on, tried a variety of things, but it would either still slide around, or I wouldn't slide, but I'd be way off the pace.

    So it wasn't great in the races, but let's go a bit more in-depth with the Trans-Cammer...
    1: Cornering ability.
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    Damage set to max. Wear and fuel turned up to max. This was a certainly different race...

    The handling's a bit of a mixed bag, really. On some corners it was really good, keeping perfect grip and speed. On some, it kept great pace, but stepped out a little bit upon the exit. And on some corners, it simply refused to turn, or turned waaayy too much, usually resulting in a smokey crash. It really depends on the way you drive it, the way you manage the weight distribution, and how hard you drive it.

    2: Looks Mid-Field Raceway.jpg
    I out-drive Vic and Baron... for about two seconds!

    This beast looks badass. Straight up. I mean it wouldn't look out of place in the Mad Max universe, amiright? The front shows plenty of grille, which instnatly lets you know there's a huge engine under there. Big engines need plenty of cooling, so a large grille is a giveaway. It's also wide and low, giving it that track-ready look without looking too slammed. You could drive on a pretty bumpy track at pace without scraping half your underbody away. And the menacing look of it is really topped off with a bunch of race accessories. The race seats, window nets, and side exit exhausts make it look less and less like a street car, and contribute to that "Hey buddy, I'm not here to mess around" aura you get from looking at the Mustang.

    3: Driftability

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    Winning in style!

    As bad as the oversteer was when I drove it, is is worth noting that when it did slide, I found it relatively easy to recover. That meant drifting was quite effortless, as proven by our resident drifter..

    4: Power
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    Being a muscle car, the Trans-Cammer Mustang certainly doesn't lack grunt, and enjoys a good quarter mile drag. It boasts excellent off the line performance, going through the first four gears with ease until it hits the 5th gear. This one's way taller than all the others, so I guess it's the highway/performance gear. This one gear will boost your speed by an epic 120km/h, but the acceleration suffers severely as a result. A 6-speed wouldn't have gone amiss in this one.

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    One hell of a near-miss for Jack!!!

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    Rob, however, couldn't escape the carnage..

    So, overall thoughts on the Trans-Cammer? Well, it's badass Mustang with an oversteer problem. But the thing is, this is another of those cars where a simple set of RS tyres would fix that. For that reason, I'm calling this one Neutral. Yes, it was a b:censored: to drive, but I don't have the heart to let those sports tyres ruin it for the car. I'm very attracted to the look of it though, now to tune it into a real track weapon..
     
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  12. Draggon

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    Um, Nate, did you run all the races on SH? It comes with SS from the dealership. :indiff: As for the Midfield race, that is pretty strange seeing me stuck on the starting line. I ran the whole race although I got walloped coming out of the first turn, then had a great battle with Jack, as I remember it. Or maybe it was Rob.

    I give it a neutral. Its got too much going for it to be a beater, but it doesn't fall into a sleeper category either. It really shines with some tuning put into it. I found the race that we allowed tuning to be the most fun, out of all the races Tuesday and Saturday.
     
  13. JackRyanWMU

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    That was a VERY memorable moment, I was running 4th at the time when all the lead cars started wrecking in front of me. This was what was going through my mind as it was happening....

     
  14. Nismonath5

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    Oh, it already was on SS tyres! I guess I shoulda known, being a tuner car and all...
    I ran it with SH tyres at Twin Ring, hoping to out-last everyone else in terms of tyre wear... how'd that work out for me!

    Ok so it was that bad on SS, but like I said some RS tyres should help.
     
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  15. Braulioaej

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    The Trans-Cammer is a beauty. From the grille to the tail lights and everything in between looks amazing.

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    Red vs red, who did it best? :p

    It felt great to drive. A bit tail happy, yes, but like Nismo said, it was surprisingly controllable and easy to recover, so no big deal.
    But was it up to par to other vehicles on its PP range?
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    Well, the R34 might have been a bit unfair (idk what's its PP tbh) but despite Vic on the Mustang still managing to keep up (and win), the other Mustangs were a bit behind.
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    The Corvette which is about 20PP below managed to get a bit of distance too.

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    Ok, the FT1 might have been a bit too much.
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    I picked it because I felt it was a bit tail happy sometimes too, but it was so much lighter than the Mustang, so the latter got outbraked.
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    Again no idea what the Carbon R34's PP is, but it was really close too.

    And while Vic gave a really tough fight in his Mustang, the other Mustangs weren't too far behind either.
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    I'm sure it'd do sooo much better if it exercised a bit and got a new 6-speed transmission, but neither asher or me are the best comparison subjects anyway. :lol:
    I'm gonna go against everyone else and say it's a sleeper! I feel it's got potential for sure.
    Great fun as always, thanks to Baron and Vic for hosting. :)
     
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    Congratulations CaddyKOP, this should be nominated for post-of-the-year! Granted, I didn't make it past this sentence, but it's the most sensible thing I've read all week!

    No, sir, thank you! What'll it be?

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    It's the 2006 Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP!!! The car that almost split up Infiniti and Nissan... which may be why the 2-door version isn't available from Nissan, and has less PP at Infiniti. Were I a dealer, I'd be a little miffed, too.

    This week's Time Trial is up, this time at the Tsukuba Circuit. Please also keep your Car of the Year category suggestions coming by PMing me with your ideas.

    -SPEAKING OF - SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT-

    Next Tuesday (Dec. 27th) I'll be celebrating 3 years on YouTube with an all-day stream on Twitch. During said stream I'll be announcing the nominees for each category in between races/events! Vic and Baron will be there, as will likely a few other guest commentators like Nismo and our director of Human Resources, Nero. You won't want to miss it!
     
  17. Baron Blitz Red

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    Here's the officially unofficial results for the "Hun, it's NOT porn with the Cammer there when" Playing with TT's event...

    Monty_YNOS-j: 1:12.447
    BaronBlitzRed: 1:12.681
    Rob_on_Drums: 1:15.816
    thematic604: 1:16.408

    Cheers
     
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  18. Draggon

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    Well, I feel compelled to expound on the lack of virtues this weeks choice is blessed with. The Skyline 350GT isn't much of Skyline nor a GT, unless GT means "Greatly Troubled". Positive vs. negative....well, its a premium....it's just not that good at anything. The trans is OK and ratios are decently spaced, but it needs more than 5 gears. The brakes aren't great. I found myself in the kitty litter multiple times last night. It understeers going into a turn, then oversteers on exit and the rear tires break loose. I found it difficult to set up for a turn as it seemed to want to do what IT wanted to. At 457pp after oil change, there are just a whole lot better choices in that pp range.

    The caveat is that it becomes a whole new animal after some judicious tuning. A few weeks back we had one of the tuning allowed races at Tokyo. I've forgotten who and what the guys entered but there was an RX-7 ( @Nismonath5 perhaps ) and I expected to get walked. The exact opposite happened, not entirely to my surprise.

    Last night's racing was mostly an exercise in frustration and lagging, albeit several great duels with @Baron Blitz Red. The last race of the evening was my only win, but I owe that more to starting up front and having logged thousands of laps at Silverstone rather than the abilities of myself or the car.

    Verdict is a resounding beater!
     
  19. Obelisk

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    I've got plenty of mileage with this car, thanks to a short-lived group I was a part of. The 350 SP, AKA the G35 in the States, is a pretty average car when stock, but it's a complete monster tuned up.

    To keep it simple, neutral when stock, sleeper when tuned.
     
  20. Nismonath5

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    An RX-7 at Tokyo? Wasn't me, man.
     
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    I've actually been looking to buy a G35 or G37 for a while now. I dig them more than the 350Z/370Z which shares the same engine, transmission(?) among other things most likely...They just look so much cooler to me. Let's see how the best and final G35, or Skyline 350GT compares with the (questionably) best, and also final Z33.

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    3.5L
    310 hp / 6,800 rpm
    264 ft-lb / 4,800 rpm
    1,610 kg (3,549 lbs)
    450 pp

    Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07

    3.5L
    310 hp / 7,000 rpm
    264 ft-lb / 5,000 rpm
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    Same horsepower and torque, but the Fairlady peaks 200 rpm higher in both regards. Of course the Skyline is heavier, by 130 kg (286 lbs) in total. Ouch! How much slower does all that extra weight make the Skyline?




    139 mph - Fairlady
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    1.175 seconds slower, in my testing. To me, it's worth having the sexier looks of the Skyline. I just don't like what happened to the Z after the Z32 generation.

    Cars within 0.500 seconds of the Skyline:

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    1:24.994 - 423 - Opel Speedster Turbo '00

    1:25.028 - 433 - Pontiac Solstice Coupe Concept '02
    1:25.080 - 450 - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 '69
    1:25.108 - 427 - Renault Sport Clio V6 24V '00
    1:25.126 - 450 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version III '96
    1:25.171 - 472 - Lotus Carlton '90
    1:25.180 - 465 - Chevrolet Corvette Stingray L46 350 (C3) '69
    1:25.191 - 455 - Honda Civic Type R (EK) Touring Car '97
    1:25.228 - 454 - Shelby GT350 '65
    1:25.259 - 467 - Chevrolet Nova SS '70
    1:25.310 - 449 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX GSR '05
    1:25.358 - 424 - Lotus Elise 111S '03
    1:25.388 - 439 - Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT '03
    1:25.413 - 413 - Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71
    1:25.420 - 435 - Volkswagen Scirocco R '10
    1:25.433 - 455 - Shelby GT350R '65
    1:25.446 - 463 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. '07
    1:25.448 - 465 - Audi S4 '03
    1:25.485 - 450 - Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP '06
    1:25.523 - 445 - Mercedes-Benz SL 500 (R230) '02
    1:25.530 - 456 - Tom's X540 Chaser '00
    1:25.590 - 450 - Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT Spec.B '03
    1:25.611 - 456 - Chrysler 300C '05
    1:25.623 - 442 - Honda CR-Z Touring Car
    1:25.654 - 433 - Acura NSX '91
    1:25.660 - 468 - Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe '04
    1:25.661 - 438 - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94
    1:25.662 - 441 - Nismo 270R '94
    1:25.702 - 433 - Nissan Silvia Spec-R Aero (S15) '02
    1:25.715 - 428 - Honda S2000 '99
    1:25.723 - 447 - Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT '03
    1:25.733 - 492 - Tesla Model S Signature Performance '12
    1:25.768 - 435 - Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
    1:25.772 - 462 - Holden Commodore SS '04
    1:25.778 - 443 - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
    1:25.794 - 474 - Chevrolet Silverado SST '02
    1:25.802 - 466 - Mercedes-Benz CLK 55 AMG '00
    1:25.816 - 442 - Nissan Fairlady Z Roadster (Z33) '03
    1:25.826 - 443 - Toyota Prius Touring Car
    1:25.858 - 483 - Fisker Karma EcoSport '12
    1:25.858 - 456 - Nismo GT-R LM Road Going Version '95
    1:25.869 - 443 - Audi TTS Coupe '09
    1:25.897 - 431 - Renault Sport Clio V6 Phase 2 '03
    1:25.925 - 440 - Renault Sport Mégane R.S. Trophy '11
    1:25.935 - 440 - Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '89
    1:25.939 - 446 - Infiniti G35 Coupe '06

    It sets a solid time at Mid-Field, for sure. Its weight does take a bit of getting used to, but I can live with that in this case. I have one for drifting. It's so smooth and controllable. I have to give it a sleeper rating because I love it, and you can do pretty much everything power-wise that you can with a 350Z!
     
  22. Baron Blitz Red

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    Quite a few people know the name Skyline when it comes to cars. Most instantly think of the R34 GT-R version, and I must admit, sometimes I forget that the Skyline started off as a sedan in the early sixties. So when I found out this week's pick was the 2006 sedan version, I was a little apprehensive.

    I had picked one up well over a year ago, but I had never touched it. It was just another acquisition to help complete my quest of owning every premium status car for my collection. This, among a slew of other cars, went straight from the dealership to the stockyard. COTW is famous for having some obscure picks, so at the very least it now it could get out and see sunlight for the first time, let alone get used. I also looked at some other victims while I was there, concentrating on the Nissan and Infiniti lines to see what was comparable.

    Being a multi-billionaire in my GT6 life has its perks... I can go out and buy any and every part available for any car I use. Having picked 6 unused victims from the stockyard, I easily spent a couple million. That was before lunch. I was going to have a few cars available for comparison just in case I didn't like said sedan. One of those being the Coupe Concept by Infiniti.

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    It was only 1 pp higher, looked much nicer but it was heavier than the sedan for some reason. "Can't hurt to try it" said I to myself. So when I decided the 350GT SP wasn't my cup of tea at all and wrote it off as a Beater, I jumped into that. And that's where I stayed for the rest of Tuesday night. As previously mentioned, it's 55 kilos heavier and it still handled better than the sedan. Even after winning a race, and outfitting it with CM tires, it still handled better than the sedan with CS tires. Things that make you go Hmmmm.

    That's the beauty of COTW race nights... you can try other cars for comparison. Now I had driven the Concept before in GT5, but not here in GT6. Not that I wasn't glad to try out the sedan, as I had never used one before. Because if it weren't picked, I wouldn't have stumbled onto this one either. And of course, there was some great racing on the go.

    So, as it is coming up, I'd like wish everyone a HAPPY HO HO to everyone and their families here at COTW HQ. Pretty cool when we get to open gifts on a weekly basis I think. Be good, happy and safe this holiday season people. The best gift we can have is everyone coming back for more!!!

    Cheers
     
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  23. Nismonath5

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    Okay, so this week's racing was some of the best racing I've been involved in, ever! I had three amazing races, each with different drivers, in different cars, at different tracks... this post will end up being a review, honest!

    Round 1: Nismo vs @Baron Blitz Red at Deep Forest!!!!
    Focus ST 15th anniv vs Infiniti Coupe Concept


    After a few casual races in the Skyline, I decided to try break out a few other vehicles to see what it was like against them. The first one I used was the Focus ST. It's lighter, turbocharged, and front wheel drive. It was a sensible choice, I thought. Off the line, I lacked a bit of acceleration, but through the corners I was able to get past with relative ease. Before long, only Baron stood in my way of taking the glorious lead spot. He was quite close, and I was certain that if I drove the wheels off the Focus, I could snatch the lead off him.

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    Hey, wait!!! You forgot your wallet!!!

    The gap between us was always changing. He'd pull away, and I'd catch up. He'd pull away again, then he'd make a mistake and I'd re-gain some ground. All the while this was happening, @Draggon was keeping up too. He wasn't right on my bumper the same way I was on Baron's, but once I realised he was back there, I kept an eye on him when I could, fearful that he might catch us both. On a few occasions, I got my nose ahead of Baron, but then either outbraked myself or he just had the better line. This battle lasted the entire race, neither of us gave eachother an inch. He had to work hard to keep the car from oversteering, whereas I had to keep mine from understeering.

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    "Respect your elders" doesn't apply on the racetrack!

    Eventually, he got a pretty good gap on me. But on the last corner, he had another off. Seeing this, I assaulted that corner with everything I had, hoping to take it down to the last metre, but it wasn't enough to beat him. Baron took the crown by 0.2 seconds! :( :p :tup: A well deserved win, and one for the favourites menu!

    Round 2: Nismo vs GTSC_Prospect at Grand Valley!!!!
    Ferrari 250 GT vs Skyline 350GT


    Continuing on the idea that lighter was better, I brough the 250 GT onto the grid at Grand Valley. Starting second to last because of the last race's result, I was assuming I'd be left behind on the straight. But no, I actually passed most of the pack, and before I knew it I was third, behind Prospect and @RobboGTAddict. I got past Rob pretty soon, but Prospect wasn't having any of it. He wasn't letting anyone past without a fight, and so a fight is what he got!

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    A one wheel skid, a lovetap and a two second lead. This race had it all!

    The 250 GT was actually a much better rival for the Skyline than I'd anticipated. It was better in the acceleration and handling, but lacked power and predictability. I tried doing the ol' divebomb on him at the hairpin a couple of times, but never had the power to make a getaway. On one occasion I just slightly pushed him wide and he understeered into the wall, so I decided to re-address that one by giving him back his spot. Our exchanges continued all the way until lap three, where I got loose going over some rumble strips, and slid, crashing out of that battle for good. I still came 4th in that one, but I'm certain there was a win in it if I hadn't let it run wide onto the rumble strips. But ah well, whaddya do, that's motorsport!

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    This moment was painful to watch on replay.

    Final Round: Nismo vs @Vic Reign93!!!!
    Skyline 350gt vs Skyline 350gt

    The last of the epic battles of the night was against Vic, and I actually reckon it was the best one of the night.
    And not just because I won it!

    A grid start at Bathurst is always hectic, mainly because of the narrow road and many cars. This race actually had a pretty clean start, but further up the mountain, HuffStig, who was in a Focus RS crunched me up against the wall, spinning me around and causing a bit of a pileup. This allowed HuffStig, Vic and @todally_lit to get a bit of a headstart. Once I'd gotten back up to speed, I gave it 11/10ths, hoping to catch up. I had an extra dose of confidence here, since Bathurst is my baby.

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    A crash, an overtake and the sights set on Vic!

    I'd caught Huff just as we went into the second lap, and with three to go there was plenty of time to catch Lit and Vic. During this lap, I was totally focused on the car, where to go, how to enter the corner, when to brake... every little detail was swimming around in my mind, and the splits kept getting smaller and smaller. As I went onto Conrod Straight, I could actually see them, so I knew I was gaining. And as I launched into the chase, Lit had a moment and went off. I got in behind him, and with such a speed disadvantage, he yielded without too much fuss. This left only Vic in my sights, with two laps to go.

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    Lit keeps the pressure on me while I keep the pressure on Vic!

    Before long, I was right on top of Vic. I stayed on him all the way down the mountain, and tried to get him at Forrest's Elbow, but failed. A slipstream definately helped me down the straight, and at the chase I made my move.

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    Run.

    The last lap was spent in terror, mainly trying so very hard not to cock it up. I'd crashed, clawed my way to the top, I really didn't want to stick it into a wall or do something stupid. But the pressure must have helped, because that last lap was actually my fastest! (2:36.232) So I got a win and the fastest lap of the race! :D


    So those races were awesome, but what do I think of the 350gt?
    Well, it is heavy. We all know that. It's a road going car, it has road going luxuries like air con and big comfy seats and all that. The thing is, you just need to be nice to it. Brake early, make sure your lines are clean and not too agressive and most importantly, don't let the bum slide out upon exiting a corner!!!
    I liked the smooth feel of the power delivery, and the gears were nicely spread, so I didn't need to shift a million times.
    As for the age old question, well I'm calling this one a sleeper solely because of how well it handled under such heat at Bathurst. :tup: Not bad for a stock roadcar!
     
  24. MisterWaffles

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    Here's a PSA to my fellow Duel of the Week / Beater of Sleeper members:

    Don't press the like button.
     
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  25. Vic Reign93

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    Sly dog that Jordan is, Good thing that A: muted, B: double checked the other thread to see the trigger before I did like it. :D
     
  26. Niku Driver HC

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    Such is the power of our King and Lord Jordon, always finding new ways to get one over on us loyal subdits... Always undercover, never expected. It's a good thing I'm not participating, but RIP to those who were and had their chances fried by likes. Learn to fear the Jordon!

    Also, if you're wondering why I've been absent from COTW races for so long, it's simple; my recent purchase of a white XBox, Forza Horizon 3 and the fact that my living room doesn't allow for two consoles to live together mean that my PS3 has been off for quite a bit. I plan to move it to another division on my (by "my" I mean my parents because I'm that kind of youngster) house, but I do not know how long will it take for that to happen. So, apologies for my absence, but I really needed a breath of fresh racing air from the general GT pessimism and low turnouts.

    As for the Skyline, I know it, rather well in fact. Back when I pulled my weight as a GT6 car reviewer, one black Skyline sedan was sent to High Speed Ring to be tested by yours truly, and the link hidden within that last sentence can tell you what I thought of it. It's not the best performance sedan in GT history, but like many have proven here, it hides lots of potential if you sharpen those fangs up. Problem is, it hides the potential almost too well. Remember that Japan's notorious Drift King, one Keiichi Tsuchiya, called the car a "Cefiro", which is a fierce anti-performance insult in case one may not get it.
    But I guess if you're looking for a remarkably stable, easy-to-understand RWD sedan, the Skyline is a pretty darn good car. For one-make racing it's outstanding, because they act like underpowered BTCC cars minus the proverbial Jason Plato. There are better choices within its own class (@Baron Blitz Red brought a good one with his own choice), but you can use the sedan for racing if you so feel inclined. Just grab a Mine's mindset and go to your local tuner shop beforehand...
     
  27. CaddyKOP

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    From Yokohama with Love

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    It's been over 20 years since Nissan decided to delve into the luxury market with their Infiniti brand, and within that 20 year span, what has the brand done? They're still selling re-branded Japanese-market Nissans, and they haven't even become a major name in any other country besides America (where they aren't really a big name in the first place). Nevertheless, the Infiniti logo has graced a few spectacular cars in its day, all cases of cars being amazing, but never grabbing grip due to even more spectacular offerings from the Germans of their biggest nemesis, Lexus.

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    In the early 2000s, Infiniti wanted to remedy this, badly. So, they put all their efforts into making a small, luxury sedan with a competent base-price and sportier trim than their other offerings to attract a younger base. The younger base. That's all that luxury brands cared about in 2000. Infiniti's efforts became the Infiniti G35...a small, taut, RWD semi-luxury sedan that kept up with the best from Germany and America. It was a minor hit, long story short.

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    But, minor is the key word here. In 2005, the top selling small luxury sedans were as follows: The BMW 3 Series, the Mercedes C-Class, and the Lexus IS. The Infiniti G35 fell a little below that. Infiniti updated the G35 in 2006 with an attractive new design and new features, and sales rose, but not quite enough for what they wanted. In fact, the G35 has mostly found itself loved more by the tuner crowd, hence why you can never see any stock Gs of any sort in my home state. Infiniti has since found more luck in the CUV crowd, and they still make a few decent little sedans, but you kinda have to wonder...did the G35 deserve to be shafted by the crowd?

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    The following conversation is as real as the events in Fargo. It was held between me and my sponsor. ​

    Sponsor: So, the new car should be dropped off in Ronda in about an hour, somewhere in the town square. It's a no-parking zone, so be there quickly.
    Me: I'm already warming up the STI. Please tell me you've got something better than that godforsaken Trans-Cammer Mustang.
    S: Oh, it's a Skyline.
    M: Oh, a Skyline! Fantastic! A GT-R? What year model?
    S: 2006.
    M: So an R35, GT-R? Didn't they come out in '07?
    S: You'll see...

    Suffice it to say, I was not too thrilled with what lay before me.​

    The Review

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    I wanna make things clear here. Apart from a few models and a few generations of cars, I'm not really a huge fan of Nissan. Their recent cars have been lackluster and their drivers are :censored:s. The same applies to Infiniti, and in fact, the only Infiniti I've ever really liked was the old Q45 and M45. I would much rather deal with a Lexus or a Cadillac any day, Infiniti has never thrilled me. But they do interest me, and I do admire their relentless pursuit of making good-looking RWD sedans. Maybe I'm a bit too harsh. But when faced with this G35 (or actually, Skyline Sedan 350GT as it's called in Japan), I find myself feeling a bit...middle of the road, honestly. There's no substance or drama to its design, it seems a bit...plain, a bit...safe, especially in comparison to its predecessor.

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    Inside, it's a bit of the same ordeal. It's a very unoffensive package, of course there is leather and fine materials, but a little splash of color apart from grey would have been nice. At least it is well-equipped for a car of its price range, but I do have to ask Infiniti, would a little wood trim to replace the sea of silver "aluminium-look" plastic hurt anyone?

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    However, under the hood of the G35 here is a real gem of an engine. Nissan's VQ-series 3.5L V6. Petrolheads like us know it as the fire-breathing V6 from the Nissan 350Z. In this guise, it sports around 311 horsepower, and 264 lb-ft of torque. You'd think that with such amounts of power, this car would surge down a straight away, and while you do feel a raw amount of power when you put the foot down, and the car makes a glorious noise as you do so, the super-impressive speed you expected never really comes. In fact, barrelling down the speedway, I felt quite calm and comfortable, almost a bit mundane. That's great for a luxury car with the caliber of the M45, but bad for a sports sedan, like this G35 wants to be.

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    But surely a lack of speed can be made-up with in the corners? Even the most small-engined BMW 3 Series can still wow any driver in the curves. And such thing can thankfully be applied to the G35. Nissan always does manage to wow me with their suspension work, and the G35 shows that. It's taut and easy to flick around. There is a tad bit of understeer coming from the car's weight, but it does not really overwhelm the car. In fact, I'd have to say that this thing was kinda fun in the corners. Not as fun as a 3 Series, but fun nonetheless.

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    But the issue really falls somewhere in that lack of power, that I can only say is the transmission's fault. You come out of the corner with your smiling face and then it vanishes as it struggles to push 100. Saddening. Nevertheless, I pushed the G35 to finish the lap. It was a bit crummy, so I tried a second one, much better.

    Beater v. Sleeper Indy Track Times
    1. Grand Touring Garage 1970 Ford Mustang Trans-Cammer – 1:44.398
    2. Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP ’06 – 2:00.477

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    To size-up that time, my 2000 Lexus GS300 managed to lap this track only one second quicker, so that's pretty decent for a luxury sedan.

    The Verdict

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    When approached to drive this Infiniti, my heart thought it'd probably be yet another disappointment. And while it lacks some power and it does feel a bit plain, the suspension is just too good to hate. It's possible that I'm going soft, but I'm giving it a very, very light sleeper award. And I think this thing should not have been such a meager sales-effort...there's definitely some substance here. I kinda wish I could drive one of their newer cars to see if its progressed, but we'll see...

     
  28. Nismonath5

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    I don't always play with TT's, but when I do...

    Upon seeing this week's Playing With TT's was at Tsukuba, I figured I'd have a crack. There were only two times posted, the fastest being Baron (1:06.484). So I figured why not throw my hat in the ring and mix things up? On my first session, I beat Baron by a mere heartbeat. (1:06.413) But he wasn't gonna just roll over and let me have it like that, oh no sir... :sly:

    He went out there and cut my time down by a tenth of a second. (1:06.379) So naturally, I went out again to try and improve. And after a half hour of solid practise, I cut down his slashed time (1:05.986). By this point, I was pretty happy with my time. I was pretty sure Baron would have great difficulty topping that, and in all honesty I didn't think there was anywhere else to go faster. :D

    I came home from work, and what did I find????

    a 1:05.888 with Baron's name on top of it!!!! :eek:

    Will I be able to beat him once again?! Will I find the time, through the chaotic festive season, to combat the consistently quickening Canadian?! And what if someone completely different shows up and embarrass us both??!!
    to be continued....

    hopefully....

    Edit: I've just looked at the time the event closes, and it's not looking likely that I'll be able to spare the time to make one more shot for top spot.

    Good battle, mate. Well done! :cheers:
     
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  29. Draggon

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    I was behind Nismo in 2nd place for about 2 hours, but Baron got by both of us. Nice times, you guys. I'm not sure I can get into the 1:05's.
     
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  30. Baron Blitz Red

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    To be honest, it was difficult... I was in the same boat in thinking "there wasn't anywhere else to go faster". Tsukuba has never been kind to me, and in turn, I was never particularly fond of it. There's other places I'd rather be.

    I found the "extra" time by accident in the last turn of all places... which makes me wonder if I've been taking that corner wrong for all these years!

    This week has seen some great racing with some very close finishes. I'm pretty lucky to have a place to race on a weekly basis where there are deadly assassins everywhere. I can't think of anyone that we race with that isn't able to pull a ninja win... as with all ninja's, it's their expertise that keeps them deadly.

    For that, I constantly remind myself not to get complacent. I have no choice but to try and improve... because each and every one of YOU refuses to stop improving. And I LOVE IT!!!

    :bowdown:

    Cheers