Beater or Sleeper? GT6 Car of the Week Thread

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by McClarenDesign, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. Racer283

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    I see my plan for that race before the lag was to keep pace with you and see if we could build a gap between us and the pack behind us but the lag ruined that plan but still a great race. At least I wasn't the only one you saw lagging in the races. I know monty pointed out I was lagging but didn't have any problem on my side so who knows what caused all of the lag last night.
     
  2. Baron Blitz Red

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    I wish I could show you the replay... the first lap especially, looked a train wreck happening in between turns 2, 3 and 4!

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  3. Racer283

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    It would be interesting to see to race from your prospective but oh well just another night of the servers not cooperating with us. At least we don't have as bad of a lag cannon compared to Forza.
     
  4. McClarenDesign

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    I'll have what I've got up by Saturday.
     
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  5. McClarenDesign

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    A few of you guys asked me to do a recording of the battle up front, but I couldn't remember which track/drivers were mentioned. I've still got the replays, let me know and I'll get it recorded tonight.





     
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  6. MidFieldMaven

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    Man, those are some colorful RX7's. Looks like Skittles, or M&Ms...mmmm....
     
  7. McClarenDesign

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    I thought so, though we did have an abundance of yellow.



     
  8. Vic Reign93

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    I think one was at Trial mountain between me and @Soyuz 77 ;)
     
  9. McClarenDesign

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    Noted. I'll get it recorded and uploaded after work.

     
  10. Cowboy

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    Test drove this car on Laguna Seca and the best I could do was a 1:39.858. In a way, this car could be a sleeper, but it most certainly isn't a beater. :D
     
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  11. Baron Blitz Red

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    Wow... I must say I'm honestly stunned to see @McClarenDesign's video of Tokyo as it doesn't show any of this...

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    Oh, and just bye the bye, that flying yellow car in the pics was @McClarenDesign !!!

    Cheers
     
  12. McClarenDesign

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    Yes, but does it Bathurst?

     
  13. Baron Blitz Red

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    Ooooh... style points of 7.5 awarded on that last lap of BATHURT from all judges! The Russian judge really liked it, even though there was no dash cam view. ;-)

    Cheers
     
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  14. Vic Reign93

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    "A Day Late And A Bratwurst and Apex Seal Short." ;)

    Germany and Japan, both have history of collaborating efforts, some of it good and some of it ended up getting blitzed by the Allies. :D

    Happily for them, today there's only one Brit in this review and that's yours truly. :p

    The car representing 'Ze Germans' today is the Mercedes E55 AMG 02' and from Japan is the rotary powered Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R 01'.

    These two couldn't be more polar opposites if they tried, the E55 has a piston engine and the RX-7 has a Rotary engine.

    The E55 is Supercharged whilst the RX-7 is turbocharged, the E55 is a heavy 4 door super saloon and the RX-7 is a light 2 door sports car.

    We'll start with the Mercedes, with 500+Hp after an oil change, it'll get up and going quicker than you would think and given enough space and a tow, will hit over 225 Mph. :eek:

    Now AMG's from around the time this car was made were very prone to shredding the rear tyres ( still do even today :p) and were quite comfortable with it.

    It definitely likes it more than if you tried driving it like a precision tool as it understeers when you do so.

    For the most part, it does hide its near 2 ton curbweight quite well, but under braking you'll definitely feel it.

    It's a good car to hoon about in as it'll go sideways all day without much coaxing.

    Whilst it is unfortunately a Beater because of its understeer and weight, I'll argue its nowhere near as bad as the Vectra as you can still go fast and go sideways in the E55. :sly:

    That and the comeback at Spa was quite something. ;)

    Verdict: Beater :tdown: ( but not terrible )

    Moving on...

    The Rotary engine that would go on to be made famous by Mazda was designed by Felix Wankel, ( stop laughing at the back :lol:) a German engineer ( see what I mean about good collaborations? :D) who built the piston-less engine for the Germans and was also a member of multiple radical right wing organisations back in the early 1920's. :odd:

    I could mention what other groups he was associated with
    (and let's just say they aren't all sun shine and lollipops. :nervous:) but let's continue with his creation.

    The Rotary engines strong points were, simplicity, smoothness, high revving, compact and light weight etc.

    It's those traits that have made the Rotary popular in chainsaws, go- karts, snowmobiles, aircraft and APU's (Auxiliary Power Units).

    The Wankel Rotary made its public debut in a road car in the form of the NSU Spider in 1964, 3 years before Mazda made its first Rotary car, the Cosmo 110S. :drool:

    From then on, the Rotary started showing up all over the place, rallying, IMSA, the first place podium of the 1991 Le Mans 24HR race. :sly::lol:

    Fast forward ten years from then and here we are with the RX-7 Barthust, a twin turboed 2 Rotor motor making around 280 - 290 Hp.

    With a low weight of 1,260kg, balanced perfectly with 50-50 weight distribution, it handles like you would expect, brilliantly.

    It's no beater, but it's not a sleeper either.

    Why? Because its reputation as a good drivers car is very well known so it couldn't really slip under the radar as a sleeper.

    What it is though, is a damn good sports car. :bowdown:

    Even though emissions laws would eventually kill off the RX-7 and the Renesis powered RX-8, Mazda hasn't given up on the Rotary engine.

    Could it make a comeback in today's climate?

    One can dream that it could. :)

    Verdict: Neutral ( but a damn good one :tup:)
     
  15. McClarenDesign

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    Didn't seem that close. Once you passed him, he really wasn't challenged at all. Still, almost surgically clean.

     
  16. McClarenDesign

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    Congratulations BadgerVadge! Welcome to the Car of the Week! Tell us what you've brought to the table.

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    It's the 1983 Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo!!!

    Well, if anyone here feels like a little touring car action, I'm sure we can squeeze it... of course it's okay! Well, it better be. I guess we'll all just have to find out.

    That said, I didn't think anything would be boxier than the Volvo 240 GLT Estate from Week 2, but it looks like I'm terribly mistaken.

    And before everyone starts yelling about the photo, it was selected because for some strange reason my female audience has recently doubled. And good luck finding a replacement.

     
  17. Baron Blitz Red

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    So that means there's 2 now??? Excellent! ;)

    Cheers
     
  18. McClarenDesign

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    You worked on that all day, didn't you?
     
  19. Baron Blitz Red

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    I remember suggesting this car on accident when I first viewed this thread :sly:. Guess I'll give the pocket rocket another go.
     
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    I wonder why the EX 1800 is in GT but not the 1981-1983 EX 2000 featuring the legendary 4G63 engine, the first of its kind, complete with single overhead cams, electronic fuel injection, and 8 valves per cylinder.

    https://autopolis.wordpress.com/201...cer-ex-2000-servant-sedan-becomes-rally-king/

    It had 168 hp, 11 more than the 1.8L car, and reached a top speed of 125 mph. Not sure of the weight or torque.

    Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo '83
    1.8L
    157 hp / 6,000 rpm
    159 ft-lb / 3,500 rpm
    1,085 kg (2,392 lbs)
    378 pp


    ^ Top speed 111 mph.

    Cars within +/- 0.500 seconds:

    1:33.367 - 388 - Toyota WiLL VS '01
    1:33.390 - 368 - Nissan Primera 2.0Te '90
    1:33.427 - 367 - Toyota Altezza AS200 '98
    1:33.477 - 384 - Volkswagen Bora V6 4Motion '01
    1:33.576 - 373 - Nissan Skyline HT 2000GT-R (KPGC10) '70
    1:33.615 - 371 - Abarth 500 '09
    1:33.651 - 376 - Abarth Grande Punto '09
    1:33.687 - 370 - Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
    1:33.721 - 379 - Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
    1:33.806 - 366 - Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Twin Spark '02
    1:33.849 - 378 - Mitsubishi Lancer EX 1800GSR IC Turbo '83
    1:33.881 - 365 - Renault Mégane 2.0 IDE Coupé '00
    1:33.900 - 368 - Toyota Starlet Glanza V '97
    1:33.983 - 356 - Mazda Cosmo Sport (L10B) '68
    1:34.241 - 364 - Nissan Fairlady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) '78
    1:34.243 - 383 - Citroën Xantia 3.0i V6 Exclusive '00
    1:34.249 - 362 - Nissan Silvia Q's (S13) '91
    1:34.329 - 375 - Renault Avantime '02
    1:34.334 - 361 - Peugeot 206 CC '01

    Its main rival in GT6 would definitely be the Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81 or perhaps the Nissan 280Z '78.

    I love this car. It was my favorite drift car for a few weeks. Nobody uses it much, but they should.

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    I uploaded those pictures on August 17, 2014 :D

    Sleeper for me. It's boxy, has 4 doors, and you could probably stuff a 4G63 in there without much hassle.
     
  22. Niku Driver HC

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    Guess it's the same issue that haunts the other sleeper, 4-door-clad Mitsubishi that is the earlier Galant VR-4. That also has a more powerful version, which is available in Forza games, but I guess PD either forgot about it or just went with the lowest common denominator. One of the two...

    Too bad you can't actually stuff a 4G63 inside that engine bay ingame, but you can hold that thought of yours, it's not a bad idea. You can always sneak in a quick ECU tune and raise the power output a tiny bit, if anything. :sly:

    Also, that red Lancer of yours is super clean. Hardly a bad car, graphical quality-wise, to be honest. Also, is it really that good as a drift car?
     
  23. MidFieldMaven

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    Any car can be good for drifting, given either a good tune or a good driver :dopey: I'll drift anything as long as it isn't FF.
     
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  24. Niku Driver HC

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    Personally, I usually keep away from MR cars, because I prefer the more stable (and controlled) behaviour of FR ones. Still, I won't mind if I have to drift a MR car, it's the same story as you. As long as it isn't a FF...
     
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  25. C-ZETA

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    you wouldn't do it in this, because the only racing it did was rallying...
     
  26. McClarenDesign

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    Only for lack of trying. Should I remind you the sort of madness that I'm capable of?


    You can drift a FF, but it's a lot harder and requires a downward (descending) slope. Touge, but that's pretty much it. Even then, one wrong input and you can't recover like you can w/ RWD.
     
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  27. Niku Driver HC

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    More along the lines of "because they were too busy trying to reap their profits in the WRC while developing the car", I reckon. Mitsu never really bothered much with Touring Car racing anyways, unlike their sworn rivals Toyota and Nissan.

    In related news, I did something scary. Something rather scary...


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    I swear to God, my Lancer was bone stock, no modifications of any type (mainly because I know jack diddly squat about proper tuning and because I wanted to test the car's stock perfomance in a Career race, but I also forgot about the high PP limits of the FR Challenge). And somehow, after two laps against that set of sports cars, I won. Let me repeat this once more;

    I WON AGAINST AN ALFA ROMEO 8C IN A 2-LAP RACE AROUND TRIAL FREAKIN' MOUNTAIN.

    This... I can't even, to be duly honest. :crazy:
     
  28. JackRyanWMU

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    Mazda RX-7, neither Beater nor Sleeper, just a plain good car.

    And for once, I score a COTW win in the actual Car of the Week (or at least the near-identical premium version of it.) ;)

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  29. Niku Driver HC

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    Well, it's not entirely related to COTW, but Regular Car Reviews' timing was rather bad for their latest review:



    Come on man, we did the FD last week! You need to pay attention, or at least ask Brad in advance about the car we're driving. :lol:
     
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  30. MidFieldMaven

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    Fully modified specs:

    388 hp / 7,000 rpm (or 367 hp / 6,500 rpm with mid-range turbo)
    302 ft-lb / 6,000 rpm (or 343 ft-lb / 5,000 rpm with mid-range turbo)
    912 kg (2,011 lbs)
    504 pp (or 503 pp with mid-range turbo)

    Perfect for a 500 pp race.