Big egos in GT5P?

[hale2gears]

How is it BS when it's true? Out of the professional racing series, it is a rarity that there is not 1 contact between 2 drivers, whether it is intentional, avoidable, or accidental.

Nobody's promoting it, but bumping & contact is a part of racing, and race drivers learn to live & avoid it at the best of their abilities.

alright man, if you say so...

 

[McLaren]

Ive actually been to nascar events personally, ive gone to two different nascar events at PIR and i was right at the fence listening to those beautiful engines, i know there is a lot of bumping in nascar but they are going in a circle, im talking about like fuji, and a road race where normal people with there own money go out to these events and race there cars that later they park in there garage at home. if you see Formula 1 racing, if there is a minimal amount of contact, the car pretty much breaks. If you have sponsors and unlimited amount of money to repair your cars, like Nascar, then hell yeah, who cares if there is contact.

Why am I not surprised you used Formula 1 as an example? Everything on those cars are practically worth more than my cars.

However, F1 does not account for everything else. You brought up Fuji, well the SuperGT guys that race on those Japanese courses are just as competitive. Watch some of their past races. The Skyline & Supra drivers could really get into it coming and going out of corners.

 

[hale2gears]

Every track day I've ever been to has had some sort of contact between vehicles, especially if they are racing hard. Granted most of the time when guys take there expensive Ferrari's or Porshce's out they aren't racing each other for the win as much as they are just having fun with their vehicles. So no, it's not BS.

my god man, there are different levels for what your saying here, the guys that take out there porsches and ferraris are in a class where your racing but not all out racing, when they are coming up to another car, the other car actually moves to the side and allows the person to pass them,

im talking about the highest level where its all out racing, they bring out the
M3's, Vipers, porsches, corvettes and do on all out race, there is hardly any bumping, at a corner they always keep some sort of distance to not mess up there car to avoid a hit, and these guys are so good at driving, that they are literally really close to bumping, but it doesnt happen because they know how expensive it is if they do.

 

[hale2gears]

Why am I not surprised you used Formula 1 as an example? Everything on those cars are practically worth more than my cars.

However, F1 does not account for everything else. You brought up Fuji, well the SuperGT guys that race on those Japanese courses are just as competitive. Watch some of their past races. The Skyline & Supra drivers could really get into it coming and going out of corners.

ive seen the videos, the races are really close and yes sometimes they are really close to bumping, but these guys live at these tracks, they know each corner, they know where the bumps are at, they know everything, they know how the cars are going to respond to a specific corner, so that why the races are really close.

I know that there is a possiblity for contact, but it doesnt mean that because its a race i should be expecting one.

 

[Joey D]

You don't seem to get it, if racers are out on a track and racing hard there is a good chance they will bump into one another. They don't intentionally do it but there is going to be some bumping just based on the way hard racing works. However, most people in real life with real life sports car do not race all out at track days for this very reason. Since GT offers me care free driving experiences I will drive all out and have fun racing since videos games offer you things you can not do in real life.

 

[McLaren]

my god man, there are different levels for what your saying here, the guys that take out there porsches and ferraris are in a class where your racing but not all out racing, when they are coming up to another car, the other car actually moves to the side and allows the person to pass them,

im talking about the highest level where its all out racing, they bring out the
M3's, Vipers, porsches, corvettes and do on all out race, there is hardly any bumping, at a corner they always keep some sort of distance to not mess up there car to avoid a hit, and these guys are so good at driving, that they are literally really close to bumping, but it doesnt happen because they know how expensive it is if they do.

Perhaps, you need an example as to what Joey is talking about.


That's what he's referring to. When you're racing hard, bumps & contacts are going to come into play. It's not meant to be on purpose, it's just because both drivers are really pushing it.

Now, money isn't an object to these teams when a win is on the line like in this video. When you have a win sitting that close, you do what you have to do while staying within the rules.

 

[hale2gears]

You don't seem to get it, if racers are out on a track and racing hard there is a good chance they will bump into one another. They don't intentionally do it but there is going to be some bumping just based on the way hard racing works. However, most people in real life with real life sports car do not race all out at track days for this very reason. Since GT offers me care free driving experiences I will drive all out and have fun racing since videos games offer you things you can not do in real life.

and keep doing that man, i enjoy the conversation, its a game, and who cares the way you race, you payed for the game you pay for your internet, so you can drive and play however you want.

and regarding the bump and contact thing, i know there is a possiblity for it to happen, but im not going into a race expecting it. i sent Reventon a PM saying that im talking from my point of view, from the racing ive done, im no professional, but ive never been bumped or been in a accident at a all out race. so sorry if i seem a little crazy and stubborn but its just my point of view from my experience.

 

[McLaren]

and keep doing that man, i enjoy the conversation, its a game, and who cares the way you race, you payed for the game you pay for your internet, so you can drive and play however you want.

and regarding the bump and contact thing, i know there is a possiblity for it to happen, but im not going into a race expecting it. i sent Reventon a PM saying that im talking from my point of view, from the racing ive done, im no professional, but ive never been bumped or been in a accident at a all out race. so sorry if i seem a little crazy and stubborn but its just my point of view from my experience.

I read your PM, and I see what you're saying. However, the racing you, I, or Joey do isn't professional though you already admitted that. The racing we do isn't what I call racing, but just enjoying our cars to the limit as we're not really racing anyone.

Now, I've done track days as well. I've been out there with the Lambos, Ferraris, Miatas, Porsches, etc. I don't call it racing because, well, from my experience, we are told to not openly race each other as it endangers others. At the track I go to, MotorSport Ranch, we are only allowed to push our cars & we are taught the rules of letting faster cars to go by, by moving to the side. Our rules also state no passing in the corners, straights only. But then again, this is probably why we have no records of any accident on the track.

Either way, my point is that the reason we don't see guys getting bumped at track days is because we're taught not to do it. There's too much on the line. Our lives, our cars, getting kicked out, etc. In short, track days are not a race day. It's just a day to enjoy driving fast. There's no trophies for beating someone else.

In pro. racing though, these guys are used to it. They're actually racing, so sometimes, close quarters are necessary to gain something. And sometimes, these situations lead to hard racing, leading to what happened at the 2007 Sebring race.

 

[hale2gears]

I read your PM, and I see what you're saying. However, the racing you, I, or Joey do isn't professional though you already admitted that. The racing we do isn't what I call racing, but just enjoying our cars to the limit as we're not really racing anyone.

Now, I've done track days as well. I've been out there with the Lambos, Ferraris, Miatas, Porsches, etc. I don't call it racing because, well, from my experience, we are told to not openly race each other as it endangers others. At the track I go to, MotorSport Ranch, we are only allowed to push our cars & we are taught the rules of letting faster cars to go by, by moving to the side. Our rules also state no passing in the corners, straights only. But then again, this is probably why we have no records of any accident on the track.

Either way, my point is that the reason we don't see guys getting bumped at track days is because we're taught not to do it. There's too much on the line. Our lives, our cars, getting kicked out, etc. In short, track days are not a race day. It's just a day to enjoy driving fast. There's no trophies for beating someone else.

In pro. racing though, these guys are used to it. They're actually racing, so sometimes, close quarters are necessary to gain something. And sometimes, these situations lead to hard racing, leading to what happened at the 2007 Sebring race.

totally understandable, im not sure about the rules in the state that you race, but in Phoenix ( PIR ) raceway, there are 4 different classes,

1st class you go out with an instructor to teach the basics of the course and how to take the corners and such

2nd class, you drive by yourself but at a distance.

3rd class, its a race but the slower car has to allow the others cars pass - Reventon i think you would be in this class

4th class, its all out racing, of course there are rules, and trust me, before any race you take about an hour class early in the morning explaining to you what you can or cannot do, but its an all out race, there are passing in corners, there are side to side racing, its a real race, in this class you actually compete to be able to qualify to be able to participate in a professional event, of course you would needs you license and all the requirement to participate, hence i never got the license and i raced just as an amateur, there was nothing on the line for me but pure fun and an expensive bill at the end of every race to replace parts ( rotors, tires, clutches, flywheels, and in my turboed car which was a Dodge Neon, i had to replace piping, head gaskets, turboes and some other stuff because of overheat issues i had with that car ) its all out of my pocket, so thats why im defensive about it.

But i agree with what you guys are saying. its just that it gets to expensive to actually go into a race thinking that im going to get hit. lol

 

[McLaren]

totally understandable, im not sure about the rules in the state that you race, but in Phoenix ( PIR ) raceway, there are 4 different classes,

1st class you go out with an instructor to teach the basics of the course and how to take the corners and such

2nd class, you drive by yourself but at a distance.

3rd class, its a race but the slower car has to allow the others cars pass - Reventon i think you would be in this class

These are classes I go through, thought the last 2 I wouldn't consider classes for me. The 3rd class is more of what I go to, aka track days to have fun. #4, I agree is an all out race day, though. But, I don't go to #4 days merely because those days are only open to the drivers, no one else unless you want to watch. Thus, me & many others never go if we're not going to get any track time.

 

[hale2gears]

These are classes I go through, thought the last 2 I wouldn't consider classes for me. The 3rd class is more of what I go to, aka track days to have fun. #4, I agree is an all out race day, though. But, I don't go to #4 days merely because those days are only open to the drivers, no one else unless you want to watch. Thus, me & many others never go if we're not going to get any track time.

At PIR, it would be a 2 day event, including all 4 classes plus a drift class,
i can say that ive been able to get at least 8 to 10 races in these 2 days, which is alot considering that after each 2 or 3 races races i had to change my tires and make sure to tighthen everything up and clamp everything if needed.

 

[fasternfaster]

I think if its truly "Close racing" as we saw at sebring, then its ok to "rub" fenders/bumpers and leave tire marks on the side of a competitors car. Mistakes happen, but that is a different discussion. Intentional rubbing is OK as long as you are both fighting for the same line, pushing the driver out into the sand and off the track from the inside intentionally and saying (we were fighting for the same line..) is just retarded. If you are passing on the inside, rub all you want, as long as you leave 1 car width on the outside of the track for your opponent to race. If that means you cant have your ideal line, that's part of racing.

The race at sebring was fantastic, the slight bump/rub on the Porsche's rear caused it to loose some traction allowing the Ferrari with a tighter line to out accelerate the Porsche, not to mention the Over/under maneuver was done almost perfectly.

I have to admit, i have pushed wide on corner entry sometimes and pushed cars out somewhat, but i let off and leave some room on the outside unless i see them in my mirror already. The few times that this caused another racer to go off track or get a ramming penalty (funny how it works..) i apologized and everything was fine.

I made a point to send messages to people that punted or rammed me as i slingshot on the straight, and i had some funny responses. One was, "why should i make it easy for you to pass me?" My response was, "block all you want, but when a driver (i) manage to pull up next to you or pass you, you have to make sure not to ram me off the track". He agreed, to be nicer when he raced in the future.

Maybe we can start a trend of clean racing by preaching to the punters, and converting them into clean racers? Does it sound like i am starting a religion/cult?

 

[hale2gears]

I think if its truly "Close racing" as we saw at sebring, then its ok to "rub" fenders/bumpers and leave tire marks on the side of a competitors car. Mistakes happen, but that is a different discussion. Intentional rubbing is OK as long as you are both fighting for the same line, pushing the driver out into the sand and off the track from the inside intentionally and saying (we were fighting for the same line..) is just retarded. If you are passing on the inside, rub all you want, as long as you leave 1 car width on the outside of the track for your opponent to race. If that means you cant have your ideal line, that's part of racing.

The race at sebring was fantastic, the slight bump/rub on the Porsche's rear caused it to loose some traction allowing the Ferrari with a tighter line to out accelerate the Porsche, not to mention the Over/under maneuver was done almost perfectly.

I have to admit, i have pushed wide on corner entry sometimes and pushed cars out somewhat, but i let off and leave some room on the outside unless i see them in my mirror already. The few times that this caused another racer to go off track or get a ramming penalty (funny how it works..) i apologized and everything was fine.

I made a point to send messages to people that punted or rammed me as i slingshot on the straight, and i had some funny responses. One was, "why should i make it easy for you to pass me?" My response was, "block all you want, but when a driver (i) manage to pull up next to you or pass you, you have to make sure not to ram me off the track". He agreed, to be nicer when he raced in the future.

Maybe we can start a trend of clean racing by preaching to the punters, and converting them into clean racers? Does it sound like i am starting a religion/cult?

HAHAHAHA, after the message that i would send to these people online, i dont think they would respond to me.

 

[Tagger]

I think I want to make a GTP name for myself since "I'm the best there is" lol

The few times I've been in races with GTP-tagged drivers, I did not get the impression they had big egos. They drove clean. That was nice to see - especially when I was in position to pass and wasn't punted for it. I wish there were more players behaving like that, tags or not.

 

[marywanna]

i was racing today in the 700PP Suzuka event with one other competitor. I was in the '07 GTR for ****s and giggles(i usually use the Evo XI or X on this event) and the other guy was driving the slower of the BMW's. i pride myself in tuning my cars for corning speed, and it was clear i had this guy beat in the corners and the straights, considering his PP was like 600 or something. So each time i would pass him cleanly and gain a comfortable lead, i'd slow down and let him pass, and repeat. I took it as an opportunity to practice some clean passes, ya know? so after the race i get a message from the guy and it goes: "it's nice to see someone promoting clean racing. sorry you had to take i easy on me, i'll pull out the GTR next time! see you on the track."

it was nice to be rewarded for my cleanliness.

CLEAN RACING FTW!

btw, sup guys? i'm new to the boards.

 

[s13sr20]

I've raced HSR alot and once in awhile, when i'm drafting behind someone on the straight, and when i start getting close and almost moving to the side to pass, he slams his brakes on me. and keeps accelerating off while im stuck gaining speed again.

And there are people who want to win desperately. I was on the final straight drafting the guy in first on the last lap, and when i KNOW i can pass him before the finish line, i get up beside him, and he punts me into the wall causing me to end up in like 7th place, and he obviously takes first.

Those 2 events that happen usually piss me off the most.

If someone punts me abit while im going into a turn, or pushes me out of my line during a corner, thats fine by me, thats racing for you. I understand there are accidents and it's not all intentional. I'm sure everyone has done it, forgive and forget.

I dont usually message people online unless i find a really clean driver, and i comment on it. other than that, i just race and have fun.

 

[GT_Fanatic]

I dont usually message people online unless i find a really clean driver, and i comment on it. other than that, i just race and have fun.

Thats how I've made most of my online friends, by messaging them and thanking them for a clean race. I have messaged punters before asking them why they do what they do, and I just get a torrent of abuse back.

 

[s13sr20]

Thats how I've made most of my online friends, by messaging them and thanking them for a clean race. I have messaged punters before asking them why they do what they do, and I just get a torrent of abuse back.

Yes, I have met a few friends for thanking them for a good race.
I HAVE messaged punters before, and yes, in return received comments that i did not want to read. And as a result he ruins my perfectly happy mood. sooo i tend to just brush it off and continue.

 

[GT_Fanatic]

Yes, I have met a few friends for thanking them for a good race.
I HAVE messaged punters before, and yes, in return received comments that i did not want to read. And as a result he ruins my perfectly happy mood. sooo i tend to just brush it off and continue.

Exactly. I just laugh at the punters now. I used almost pull my G25 off the steering rack through rage, but just take a deep breath and carry on.

 

[rabbitude]

the bottom line is you should do ANYTHING you can to avoid any contact with another car if you are not doing everything you can to avoid contact then you are in the wrong, with that said we all make mistakes, I make them all the time but if you some how gain any type of advantage by making contact with another car then you should do the right thing and give what ever advantage back, or at least apologize. If you cant play by those simple rules then the intermediate races are probably the place to be.

 

[GT_Fanatic]

the bottom line is you should do ANYTHING you can to avoid any contact with another car if you are not doing everything you can to avoid contact then you are in the wrong, with that said we all make mistakes, I make them all the time but if you some how gain any type of advantage by making contact with another car then you should do the right thing and give what ever advantage back, or at least apologize. If you cant play by those simple rules then the intermediate races are probably the place to be.

I don't think it's a matter of Beginner,Intermediate or Pro. It just boils down to racing etiquette. Some people have it and some don't.

 

[Joey D]

the bottom line is you should do ANYTHING you can to avoid any contact with another car if you are not doing everything you can to avoid contact then you are in the wrong, with that said we all make mistakes, I make them all the time but if you some how gain any type of advantage by making contact with another car then you should do the right thing and give what ever advantage back, or at least apologize. If you cant play by those simple rules then the intermediate races are probably the place to be.

Once again why should we make all sorts of effort to avoid contact? That makes for boring racing and thus a boring game. I want to be door to door and going all out to the finish line. If we both spin out in the process, oh well, there is always next race. I want to fight for my wins and I want other drivers to do the same. These aren't real cars so I'm not going to drive them like real ones.

As I've said I'm not out to play crash em and smash em with everyone but I'm not going to do everything I can to avoid a little bumping.

 

[homeforsummer]

I have messaged punters before asking them why they do what they do, and I just get a torrent of abuse back.

How do you word your messages Fanatic? Either you're unlucky with who you message or you're wording it badly, when I've messaged punters I either get nothing at all or a profuse apology - I've never had abusive messages from anyone.

 

[Biggles]

Well one problem with GT5P is that cars overreact to even mild bumping. If you're on the outside & get even lightly touched, you're off the track. If you're on the inside, pushing hard & even lightly touch the car on the outside that car is off the track. It makes it difficult to push into corners alongside another car as you're likely to become either a bumper or a bumpee, neither of which I like!

Finally, the problem is compounded by the fact that there's no peripheral vision, making it very hard to judge how close you are to the car alongside.

 

[GT_Fanatic]

How do you word your messages Fanatic? Either you're unlucky with who you message or you're wording it badly, when I've messaged punters I either get nothing at all or a profuse apology - I've never had abusive messages from anyone.[/QUOTE

I already stated in my previous post homeforsummer, how I messaged them. I asked them why they were doing what they were doing, as in "why they were punting". Also I recall in a recent thread, that you send punters messages and tell them what you think of them. How do you word those I wonder?

 

[GT_Fanatic]

When I contact someone it's to damn well let them know that I found their racing appauling. If they contact me back apologising then I thank them and express my wish to race them again sometime a little cleaner. If they don't reply then I just hope I don't race them again.

This is the post I was refering to homeforsummer, from my last post.

EDIT: appologies for the double post, because there was a hitch linking a post from another thread.

 

[homeforsummer]

I already stated in my previous post homeforsummer, how I messaged them. I asked them why they were doing what they were doing, as in "why they were punting". Also I recall in a recent thread, that you send punters messages and tell them what you think of them. How do you word those I wonder?

This is the post I was refering to homeforsummer, from my last post.

When you use the term "tell them what you think of them" it makes it sound like I call them every name under the sun. I have never been abusive to anyone over PSN. If you'd really like to know, my messages are generally worded along the lines of:

"Any reason you were driving like that? You punted me off [x number of times] in that race. That was the worst racing I've seen in a long time"

50% of the time I get no response whatsoever (which I put down to them either not being fussed, or alternatively not being able to understand English if they aren't from the UK!) and the other 50% of the time I've only ever had apologies. Sometimes with a lousy excuse (I was tired/my dog was driving/etc) but I don't mind excuses because at least they've apologised.

Edit: Yup I gathered you meant that post

 

[GT_Fanatic]

When you use the term "tell them what you think of them" it makes it sound like I call them every name under the sun. I have never been abusive to anyone over PSN. If you'd really like to know, my messages are generally worded along the lines of:

"Any reason you were driving like that? You punted me off [x number of times] in that race. That was the worst racing I've seen in a long time"

50% of the time I get no response whatsoever (which I put down to them either not being fussed, or alternatively not being able to understand English if they aren't from the UK!) and the other 50% of the time I've only ever had apologies. Sometimes with a lousy excuse (I was tired/my dog was driving/etc) but I don't mind excuses because at least they've apologised.

Edit: Yup I gathered you meant that post

And I word my PSN messages in as polite a manner as possible, but when it comes down to persitant punters, your just going to get the usuall negative answer. Thats why I take a deep breath and just grin and bare it now.

 

[nick09]

There should really be a program within GT to teach driving etiquette. They can only play online if they pass the test and they could get some credits for completing the test.

 

[GT_Fanatic]

There should really be a program within GT to teach driving etiquette. They can only play online if they pass the test and they could get some credits for completing the test.

The thing with that is that people that buy the game and pay for their internet connection, have a right to play online. The thing that is needed is, in my opinion, is private races that are also open to newcomers, so if you prove youself as a clean racer, then you get invited back. I'm not the fastest driver, but I race clean and fair. Private rooms is the way to eliminate the punters.