Blue Devil lives?

[amp88]

Are you kidding me? That thing's going to have enough torque to pull stumps out of your yard. It's not going to hyperjump from idle to redline in 2/10ths of a second, correct, like a roadracing V8 would. But from about 50 rpm over idle all the way up to 6,000 or so the power curve is going to be wider than Ahhnold's deltoids. Lazy is not a word I can imagine applying to this engine.

Of course the engine's gonna be capable of producing copious amounts of torque, as I mentioned in my second post. However, when I said the engine would be lazy, I meant that it could/would be slow to rev. The faster the engine revs, the quicker the car accelerates.

@Sage, I very rarely listen to the "media" and when I do, I always think for myself, I don't just sit there and take everything without thinking

 

[a6m5]

What the heck!? There are two threads on this car. I saw the pics in the other thread. Looking gooooooooood!

 

[Sage]

@Sage, I very rarely listen to the "media" and when I do, I always think for myself, I don't just sit there and take everything without thinking

I know, I was just teasing Duke in reference to another thread.

 

[TsLeng]

Mmmmm....yum! yum!

I've always liked this kind of cars.....high power + TORQUE!!

 

[Duke]

Of course the engine's gonna be capable of producing copious amounts of torque, as I mentioned in my second post. However, when I said the engine would be lazy, I meant that it could/would be slow to rev. The faster the engine revs, the quicker the car accelerates.

@Sage, I very rarely listen to the "media" and when I do, I always think for myself, I don't just sit there and take everything without thinking

The faster the engine revs, the quicker the car accelerates - if the engine can overcome the car's own mass to make the car accelerate. That's what torque is for. Obviously a tiny quick revving engine is not going to overcome a heavy car. To say that the internal weight of the 600-hp Corvette's engine is going to significantly slow the car's acceleration is to badly overstate the idea.

But it's fine, think what you want to think.

 

[Ev0]

Anyone who thinks this car will lack acceleration for any reason is a moron. Given the new Z06 is estimated to do 0-60 in 3.9 seconds, the Blue Devil, with 600hp and carbon fibre body parts to reduce weight, should do the 0-60 run in about 3.5 seconds I would estimate, maybe 3.6. We're pushing into Enzo territory here, and only for 1/6th of the price of a supercar. I can't wait to see someone compare Blue Devil to a Zonda or an SLR. Absolutely astounding car; I'm really liking what GM has been doing with Corvette and Cadillac lately; if only the rest of their 10,000 brands could have similarily good cars...

 

[skicrush]

GM just released the 0-60 time for the Z06 a couple days ago. 3.7 seconds. With an extra 100 horses and 200 pounds less, you can bet it will be in the 3 second ballpark, if they put tires on it that can handle the torque.

Sorry about that 700 number being bandied about. The Blue devil was reported to have "upward of 600 hp," which I took to be Autoweek making an educated (maybe?) guess. Though a lot of knowledgable vette enthusiasts on some of the forums I visit claim a more aggressive cam alone would drop the gas mileage pretty bad, but would get you close to the 600 hp mark while still being NA. Their reasoning is pretty much that the C6R can make that kind of power, and it's basically the cam and head that are different. So, replace the pistons with forged ones, and swap out the cam and head, and you have yourself a C6R engine in your Z06. Which some are planning on doing already, and they've just gotten their order confirmations. So, why supercharge?

GM's going the forced induction route because they get to keep their gas mileage. The C6 Vette was the first 400hp car to avoid a gas guzzler tax. The Z06 will be the first 500 hp car to avoid a gas guzzler tax (which even Porsches have to pay). Have you seen the mileage on the Enzo (8/12) and CGT(10/16)? You have to be 18/25 or so to avoid it. So, basically, you could put TWO 7.0 vette engines in a car, for over 1000 hp, and still get BETTER mileage than an enzo.

In any case, the car will rev plenty fast enough to NOT be limited by the engine. I mean, does anyone have any proof that the inertial mass of the vette's engine is greater than that of the F430's engine? Yeah, the pistons are bigger, but you're moving extra chains and an extra cam in the ferrari's engine. I doubt that there is any truth to that assumption. I think amp was just shooting from the hip, without any real info on the subject (given that he said the vette's was a "low revving engine." Is 7200 rpms low? Not in my book! And it is reported to be able to rev to 8000--they just don't because GM is interested in a "low stress" approach. I guess if people wanted to service it every 500 miles like a Ferrari, we'd get a 8000 rpm redline).

 

[Dave A]

0-60 isn't everything, you need to bwe able to keep that brutal acceleration up, I'm sure the Blue Devil will be fantastic in that area though. Mileage isn't really important in cars this expensive, if you can afford the car and the insurance, you can afford the petrol. The plus point of it all is that it's better for the air that we breath, still not that great though in coparison to what can be done so even then it pales in significance, but were talking about supercars here not eco-hatches. I don't see the point in comparing it to a Ferrari either, at the end of the day, Ferrari is the image people want and it's the Ferrari the chicks will jump into. You're not going to use all the performance in either so why not get the car that'll help you pull. This is most peoples line of reasoning, and as good as the Vette canbe, it will always be more appealing for someone to be able to say "heres my Ferrari" rather than "heres my Corvette". Image is literally everything in market Ferrari sells to, and the Corvette is a different market.

 

[TheCracker]

The sort of person who wants a Ferrari would'nt even consider a Corvette, and visa versa - a Vette customer would'nt be seen dead in a Ferrari.

 

[Dave A]

I'm not so sure about a Vette person not wanting a Ferrari because it might just be that they can't afford the Ferrari, a guy that chooses a 100k Vette wouldn't want a Ferrari though. Also I would bet that theres a lot of millionaires in the US that have a Ferrari and a Vette in their garage, the Vette would be probably more of an everyday car and the Ferrari would be driven to social events and parties ect, they each have a different image and market, that doesn't mean that no one will like them both.

 

[skicrush]

You are both completely right. Completely.

In fact, I think GM ought to build the vette to compete in GT2 and stomp on porsche. Having them beat Ferrari and Aston in GT1 is pointless. Potential buyers are not in the same market. At least the Porches are in the same general price bracket.

Though I DO think a $100k UBER vette would be slightly different.

 

[TheCracker]

I'm not so sure about a Vette person not wanting a Ferrari because it might just be that they can't afford the Ferrari, a guy that chooses a 100k Vette wouldn't want a Ferrari though. Also I would bet that theres a lot of millionaires in the US that have a Ferrari and a Vette in their garage, the Vette would be probably more of an everyday car and the Ferrari would be driven to social events and parties ect, they each have a different image and market, that doesn't mean that no one will like them both.

GM builds the Vette to be a viable everyday car and as user friendly as possible - you don't get cup-holders in a Ferrari.

 

[RSCosworth]

$100k for a Vette with supercar performance?! That's a bargain!
Heck, a standard C6 Vette costs 95,550€ here and the convertible is 108,950€! And you get this for ~85k€ !
Bah.

 

[Event]

$100k for a Vette with supercar performance?! That's a bargain!
Heck, a standard C6 Vette costs 95,550€ here and the convertible is 108,950€! And you get this for ~85k€ !
Bah.

Serious? That's terribly expensive. That's like $115K for a BASE! Wow...

 

[iceburns288]

The sort of person who wants a Ferrari would'nt even consider a Corvette, and visa versa - a Vette customer would'nt be seen dead in a Ferrari.

I know lots of people who own Ferraris and Corvettes. Even a guy with two Vettes and one Ferrari.

GM builds the Vette to be a viable everyday car and as user friendly as possible - you don't get cup-holders in a Ferrari.

That's because you're supposed to be focused on driving the car, not eating (another American stereotype). If you're driving a Ferrari you don't want to think about your Slurpee from 7-11.

 

[Event]

I know lots of people who own Ferraris and Corvettes. Even a guy with two Vettes and one Ferrari.

Is your dad one of them?

 

[iceburns288]

Is your dad one of them?

No, but I reeaaallly want a C6 Z06. I've been lobbying for one but we've just started building a new house so no car purchases for a while. Unless there is a Z06 convertible this time around, I doubt he will buy one 💡

 

[Event]

No, but I reeaaallly want a C6 Z06. I've been lobbying for one but we've just started building a new house so no car purchases for a while. Plus both Ferraris need services now and that's gonna cost a bit. The only car he would sell to get a Vette would be the 996, and he loves convertibles so much I doubt that will happen. Unless there is a Z06 convertible this time 💡

Two Ferraris? I though you just had the 360 Spider...

 

[iceburns288]

PMd...

 

[skicrush]

HEY!! what's with the PM ing? I want to know too Mr. Burns!!

 

[iceburns288]

Alright...

Also have a 99 F355GTS F1, red/tan with black top and shields.

 

[Dave A]

You're dad has taste, the F355's are fantastic.

 

[RSCosworth]

Serious? That's terribly expensive. That's like $115K for a BASE! Wow...

Yeah I know. All American cars are priced ridiculously here. For example an AWD Chrysler 300C with the 5.7liter Hemi is around 82k € whereas it's around $35k according to the Chrysler web-site.

 

[Dave A]

They're priced too high in the UK too, we'd have to spend more for a base C6 than the Americans would spend on a Z06.

 

[skicrush]

They're priced too high in the UK too, we'd have to spend more for a base C6 than the Americans would spend on a Z06.

Yup. Totally sucks.

And I absolutely love the F355. If I can ever afford to buy a Ferrari, that's what I'd get.

 

[Dave A]

It's this difference in prices that leads to a lot of the our cars are better value than yours wars, people in the US compare the US prices of cars and the people in the UK and other parts of the world are comparing their prices, it's really rather funny when you sit back and watch it unfold. At the end of the day, whats a bargain for person A is quite expensive for person B in another country. British sportscars are far better value for money than a Vette over here, but in the US it's the opposite. Holdens and HSV's are far better value than a Vette in Australia too, but I bet it's the opposite in the US.

 

[skicrush]

It's this difference in prices that leads to a lot of the our cars are better value than yours wars, people in the US compare the US prices of cars and the people in the UK and other parts of the world are comparing their prices, it's really rather funny when you sit back and watch it unfold. At the end of the day, whats a bargain for person A is quite expensive for person B in another country. British sportscars are far better value for money than a Vette over here, but in the US it's the opposite. Holdens and HSV's are far better value than a Vette in Australia too, but I bet it's the opposite in the US.

Thge funny thing is that the GTO costs about hte same as the Monaro in AU, but you can't get everything else, and the vette costs a TON down there. You'd think they'd find a way to offer a GM vehicle all over the world and keep the cost in the same ballpark. I'd be interested to know the vette's cost breakdown in the UK, and really how much of that is just markup. And yeah, you'd think they could do better.

 

[Dave A]

Over here a base C6 costs upwards of £45,000 which is over $80,000 USD, theres no news on any Z06's being imported but I'd expect them to cost in the region of £70-80k which is $125-145k USD if anyone does get hold of any. I did see a C6 on Autotrader for £39,000 (around $70,000 USD) but the exact same car, even the same picture was listed above it for more which I though was and suspicious. All the others were 45k and over, some were over 50k ($90,000 USD).

 

[TheCracker]

Over here a base C6 costs upwards of £45,000 which is over $80,000 USD, theres no news on any Z06's being imported but I'd expect them to cost in the region of £70-80k which is $125-145k USD if anyone does get hold of any. I did see a C6 on Autotrader for £39,000 (around $70,000 USD) but the exact same car, even the same picture was listed above it for more which I though was and suspicious. All the others were 45k and over, some were over 50k ($90,000 USD).

They are even more than that in the UK - according to autocars figures a C6 would cost the equivalent of $94k USD and the Z06 around $118kUSD these are when bought through GM dealers - personal imports (or grey imports) would probably cost more.

 

[Dave A]

I've seen them advertised at 45k over here from dealers in Autotrader, Bauer and Millet will sell them at 50k. There are places charging more 55k-60k but you don't have to look too hard to see 50k offers.