Bmw V12 Lmr

[f1king]

Theoretically. I mean if not they do look hella cool.

Yest they do. I cant wait to drive the black 787b which I think Looks the best. But then again like you said the all look awsome.

 

[larrymags]

Thanks for the input guys. I just bought the BMW V12 LMR thsi morning and I have yet to try it out. I probably won't really get to race it until the Pro GT Worlds and I'm still at 15% of the game so no Endurance races yet.

Stormtrooper I did find your thread on the tuning and I'm gonna try that, thanks.

Next up I'm planning on getting the Pescarolo and then the Black LM cars.

 

[t1210s]

So, if the cars are acurate, don't expect the BMW to be as fast as the other LM or LMP cars available. And since cars in the game don't have mechanical problems (and the Mercedes don't fly), you won't even have the "endurance" advantage of those beauties

http://uk.geocities.com/chickens2bubbles@btopenworld.com/gt4.html
here is pics of my bmw hitting 322.77mph the fastest proven speed on here some1 said they hit 358mph in the minolta but its unproven as yet

 

[///M-Power]

While I have not spent a lot of time with it so far, my iinitial impression of the BMW V12 LMR is that it is a very solid and stable car, especially under braking, and it has good driveability. It seems to understeer a bit at higher speeds, actually, but I am sure that is nothing that cannot be remedied with some setting adjustments and perhaps a slightly different driving style. I think it is 4.5 million well spent.

 

[dbartucci]

Used cars always are less powerfull than the new ones, but I think it really doesn't matter, you can do a new oil change and a body refreshment or something and it'll work out good enough for me at least👍

Really? or is this just your speculation? the used GT-One comes with something like 6.2 miles on it, and you're saying it's down on power?

 

[DRIFT GOD]

i love this car 👍

 

[Deondre]

Until you get that you could always do some of the Driving Missions and unlock the Pagani Zonda LM Race Car (w/ final turbo upgrades you'll be at well over 1000HP).

 

[d3p0]

Uh, hello? The Toyota 88C-V is 15 years old.

 

[DRIFT GOD]

The BMW sucks, win the Audi R8 in the La Sarthe 24/hour Endurance, like I did.

Oh, and get the F1 from the 24/Nürburgring race, like I did.

17 hours into 24 hour race and my BMW is kickin the R8's ass !!!

 

[cjrciadt]

17 hours into 24 hour race and my BMW is kickin the R8's ass !!!

Poor Poor C5R what mods does you Bimmer have?

 

[KyleH]

Win an F1 car then save up and buy the black race cars. And buy the other cars later later.

What is the deal with the black cars? I have heard about them...but is there anything special about them other then being black?

 

[Apollo]

I like it, thought I wouldn't at first but you need the low horsepower/short wheel base for certain tracks. The R8 and Speed 8 are both horrible on short tight tracks, IMO. I think they got it pretty close to the real deal as far as what cars work on what tracks.

 

[JoeyL]

What is the deal with the black cars? I have heard about them...but is there anything special about them other then being black?

They're cheaper than the new cars. Also, you can buy a used Nissan RCP92(?), which you cannot buy new.

 

[McLaren]

I find it as a good Sunday Race car to drive.

You know, when you just feel like doing a race that really doesn't matter much to you. Its a fun car with the DFP and on manual.

 

[VyPeR]

I was about to buy the car, until my jaws dropped when I found out that the Audi R8 can be purchased (oh yea, it really ate up my credits, 4,500,000 cr.) I just had to buy that car. I'll use it for endurance races, especially the 24 hr. Lemans so I can get the car that I even love better than the R8, the Bentley Speed 8.

 

[DRIFT GOD]

Poor Poor C5R what mods does you Bimmer have?

if i remember right the only performance upgrade you can get for it is the stage 4 turbo, mine has 1010hp right now

here is a pic of my race right before the finish, and yes the C5R got owned 👍

 

[jamezracer]

toyota minolta: pushes, huge wheelspin, short powerband, crap brakes, what did this get me? how about 6 seconds off of my now 2nd best infinion time with a 1000hp zonda lm:-D

 

[Acid X]

With the Minolta on the nurb 24, my B-spec guy left the competition in the dust. Closest competitor was 21 laps behind. Hah.

 

[snypa]

IIRC the BMW win at Le Mans '99 wasn't because it was the fastest car (it wasn't), but because it was the most reliable. The Toyotas had problems, the Mercedes team retired from the race because their cars were flying all over the track (literally, LOL), and I think the Audis had problems too.

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I don't totally agree. If it's right to say the Toyota were the fastest cars in this 1999 edition of le Mans (they was the best qualifiers), the margin they had over the BMW was tiny. I was there, and at around 10pm, the gap between the leader (BMW n°17) and the Toyota N°2 (the fastest overall) was about 2 minutes. 2 hours later it was the same, the Toyota couldn't simply catch the BMW....and he finally crashed at 3am, maybe he was pushing too hard.
The BMW were also able to consume less gas (that's how they took the lead), so they could do a few more laps to take the advantage.
Don't remember also that the BMW n°17 which had a 2 laps advantage over his teamate (n°15) crashed 2 hours before the finish due to a brake failure. At the present time both BMW were in the front. So we cannot say they won "by accident".

The story of the Mercedes is well-known. About the Audis, it was their first attempt at Le Mans, so they were just not fast enough .

Just wanted to point that, because this V12 LMR is very often underestimated.

 

[F310B]

Yeah, you don't win Le Mans by fluke. The BMW V12 was an extremely fast car. The Toyota GT-one was faster, but had considerably worse fuel economy. It's a bit like in F1, the 1994 Williams that Senna drove was a faster car but Schumacher in the Benetton would beat him in the races because his car had better fuel economy. The way I see it, the BMW V12 beat the Toyota GT-one because it was a better car.

 

[Rb26dett_240sx]

The good days of LMP cars when tehre was actually somthing to watch. Audi just domanates to much today for my tastes. I highly enjoyed Bentley win though just wish sombody could come out with a car and challenge every race I guess that is why the popularity of the GT1/GT class is growing more then the prototypes. As for the car i enjoyed it fun ride but i liked the F1 but that is a no brainer. Havn't tried ne of the japanese LMPs. To busy working my way to 50% *got last night* and 692 days.

 

[larrymags]

I finally raced the GT World CHampionships with my BMW V12 LMR. I've only done the first race so far (Tokyo).

Went into the first race (individual not championship) with Mediums and quickly outran the field starting from 6th. On the 6th lap I was ahead by 6 sec over the Minolta then I decided to pit since I was just really testing things out. After the pit I came out in 4th and stayed there because the first three cars didn't pit!!!

So I exited and tried again and ran superhards in the rear and hards in the front. Tried to save the tires and maybe I didn't push hard enough but I didn't have to pit. But I came in 4th again...... hmmmm....

The car does understeer a bit especially with harder tires and especially under braking. With mediums the car is wonderful and I can overcome the understeer with the throttle.

All this is with stock setting and no upgrades. Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[antisport.net]

Unlock endurance events if you haven't already, Win El captin (Not very hard), get the Toyota 88C-V. Arguably the best of the LM/ Group c cars and you get it for fee.

That isnt bad advice

 

[snypa]

I finally raced the GT World CHampionships with my BMW V12 LMR. I've only done the first race so far (Tokyo).

Went into the first race (individual not championship) with Mediums and quickly outran the field starting from 6th. On the 6th lap I was ahead by 6 sec over the Minolta then I decided to pit since I was just really testing things out. After the pit I came out in 4th and stayed there because the first three cars didn't pit!!!

So I exited and tried again and ran superhards in the rear and hards in the front. Tried to save the tires and maybe I didn't push hard enough but I didn't have to pit. But I came in 4th again...... hmmmm....

The car does understeer a bit especially with harder tires and especially under braking. With mediums the car is wonderful and I can overcome the understeer with the throttle.

All this is with stock setting and no upgrades. Anyone have any thoughts?

Hi,
I did the championship this week end, with the V12 LMR. Like you I had a few problems at the beginning. This what I did :
1. I disabled the Stage 4 turbo that i had bought. With it, the car is really fast, but harder to control, too much wheelspin, not good for tires. So the car is stock, without TCS and ASM.
2. Bought hard race tires for the rear, let the medium for the front. So the car front and rear tires get used at the same level of damage on most of the tracks.

For the first race in tokyo, with theses settings, I won easily, didn't had to make a pit stop.

For the next races, things became harder. I did some races in B-spec : seoul, (I hate that track), hong kong (not very good at it because I don't know the track at the moment), Paris Opera (for the same reasons). My driver won all of them, not by too far.
Other races in A spec, new york easily won. Totally blown at el capitan, finished 4th, but I made just too many mistakes, trying to push too hard. Scored 3rd place at Grand valley and Suzuka, could have won if no mistakes (The Minolta toyota blew me in the sand in Suzuka while I was taking the lead). I had enough points so 3rd was ok. Didn't race at le Mans, I had more than 10 points lead before the last race and was hury to finish (I want to earn as much cars as possible to show them to my brother next WE).

In general with these settings you have to do 1 pit sop, while the others usually have 2 (depends on the races). So staying behind the first 2 guys is sufficient, it's better than pushing too hard and wasting precious time in the sand. I think the key is to be regular and to keep focused on your own pace, not the others, as you don't know their strategies at the begining.

If you have time, doing a few qualifying laps can allow you to start from 3 or 4th easily. Easier then to follow the first 2 competitors.
Didn't change anything else about the settings, but it should help if you have time.

Hope it helps, don't hesitate to ask question if you need more informations.

Regards,

 

[larrymags]

Hi,
I did the championship this week end, with the V12 LMR. Like you I had a few problems at the beginning. This what I did :
1. I disabled the Stage 4 turbo that i had bought. With it, the car is really fast, but harder to control, too much wheelspin, not good for tires. So the car is stock, without TCS and ASM.
2. Bought hard race tires for the rear, let the medium for the front. So the car front and rear tires get used at the same level of damage on most of the tracks.

For the first race in tokyo, with theses settings, I won easily, didn't had to make a pit stop.

For the next races, things became harder. I did some races in B-spec : seoul, (I hate that track), hong kong (not very good at it because I don't know the track at the moment), Paris Opera (for the same reasons). My driver won all of them, not by too far.
Other races in A spec, new york easily won. Totally blown at el capitan, finished 4th, but I made just too many mistakes, trying to push too hard. Scored 3rd place at Grand valley and Suzuka, could have won if no mistakes (The Minolta toyota blew me in the sand in Suzuka while I was taking the lead). I had enough points so 3rd was ok. Didn't race at le Mans, I had more than 10 points lead before the last race and was hury to finish (I want to earn as much cars as possible to show them to my brother next WE).

In general with these settings you have to do 1 pit sop, while the others usually have 2 (depends on the races). So staying behind the first 2 guys is sufficient, it's better than pushing too hard and wasting precious time in the sand. I think the key is to be regular and to keep focused on your own pace, not the others, as you don't know their strategies at the begining.

If you have time, doing a few qualifying laps can allow you to start from 3 or 4th easily. Easier then to follow the first 2 competitors.
Didn't change anything else about the settings, but it should help if you have time.

Hope it helps, don't hesitate to ask question if you need more informations.

Regards,

Hey thanks for the advice!

I did just complete the World Championships last night and won the series. I didn't upgrade the turbo like you.

I played with the settings for the first two races in Tokyo and Motegi. And won those two by running hards with no pitting.

Hong Kong gave me fits and even after finding a good setup after hours of practice. I came in 4th in the race!

I then decided to screw the setup, go back to default and just drive and I won the next two (Seoul and New York - I love those tracks).

I B-Spec'd Paris, El Capitan (ran hards - 1 less pit stop than the rest), Grand Valley and Suzuka and my driver won those three no problemo.

I wanted to do La Sarthe so I practiced it like crazy. Qualified 4th, and took the lead in the race. Then crashed at 200 mph with and got rammed by the R92, Minolta AND the R89. Drove like crazy to catch up and my tires gave on the last lap. Finished 4th but had a huge points lead so it didn't matter.

I have to note though that the Sauber and the Toyota GT-1 were not competing and my biggest competition was the R92.

 

[snypa]

Well, it seems that you managed to fix your problems on your own !
Interesting thing is that we B-spec different races, and everytime the driver managed to win. So that mean we should be more efficient !!
Like I said, regularity is the key. I think I 'm better than the B-spec driver on one lap, or for taking an overtaking opportunity, but he's better at saving tires and scoring consistant times from lap to lap. And he doesn't make big mistakes like I sometimes make, like braking 15 meters too late at the Suzuka Hairpin......

About the opponents, who knows ? A GT-one may have put the same lap times as the R92 ? I remember in GT3, the main opponent was systematically the R390. The GT one needed to stop 2 or 3 time for a 15 laps race !

Well done, and enjoy the Ford GT spec II you earned. (I didn't have time to try it, is it good ? )

 

[JoeyL]

The good days of LMP cars when tehre was actually somthing to watch. Audi just domanates to much today for my tastes. I highly enjoyed Bentley win though just wish sombody could come out with a car and challenge every race .

You do realize thet the Bentley Speed 8 is basically and Audi R8C LM-GTP with a reworked front end and green paint? You could say that Audi has won Le Mans the past 5 years.

 

[larrymags]

Well, it seems that you managed to fix your problems on your own !
Interesting thing is that we B-spec different races, and everytime the driver managed to win. So that mean we should be more efficient !!
Like I said, regularity is the key. I think I 'm better than the B-spec driver on one lap, or for taking an overtaking opportunity, but he's better at saving tires and scoring consistant times from lap to lap. And he doesn't make big mistakes like I sometimes make, like braking 15 meters too late at the Suzuka Hairpin......

About the opponents, who knows ? A GT-one may have put the same lap times as the R92 ? I remember in GT3, the main opponent was systematically the R390. The GT one needed to stop 2 or 3 time for a 15 laps race !

Well done, and enjoy the Ford GT spec II you earned. (I didn't have time to try it, is it good ? )

Yeah, once I stopped worrying about setting up the car I just adapted my driving style to the car and it worked pretty well. I even stopped worrying about not doing pit stops and just drove the car. I even pitted earlier than the other cars in some races and still won. Not really big margins though. More like 5-7 sec.

The For GT-40 LM II is a great car. I don't know why people say it isn't good. If you are comparing it to the LeMans cars then I can see why. I am currently using it in the American GT series and I dominated the first two races so far. I might soup it up and try it in Extreme Hall.

 

[larrymags]

You do realize thet the Bentley Speed 8 is basically and Audi R8C LM-GTP with a reworked front end and green paint? You could say that Audi has won Le Mans the past 5 years.

I could be wrong but I read that the Bentley was developed with help of Audi but the chassis is all new and all theirs and the only component the Speed 8 and the R8 share is the engine block.

Read it here: Mulsannes Corner

Although the 2003 Speed 8 is a redesign maybe they took the R8's chassis too then?

But then again Bentley is owned by Audi so technically Audi won when Bentley won.

 

[Scaff]

I could be wrong but I read that the Bentley was developed with help of Audi but the chassis is all new and all theirs and the only component the Speed 8 and the R8 share is the engine block.

Read it here: Mulsannes Corner

Although the 2003 Speed 8 is a redesign maybe they took the R8's chassis too then?

But then again Bentley is owned by Audi so technically Audi won when Bentley won.

You are not wrong at all, the VAG group may own both Audi and Bentley, but the cross over between the Speed 8 and the R8 was minimal.

It certainly isn't an Audi R8C LM-GTP with a reworked front end and green paint.

Here is an extract from an interview Mulsanne Corner did with Peter Elleray, the Chief Designer for the 2003 Bentley EXP LMGTP, which quite clearly details the cross over between the different generations. If anyone should know, I think he would.


MC: Did the Bentley benefit from the work carried out on the Audi R8C? How much of the design staff carried over from R8C to Bentley?

PE: The prototype ’00 car, the one that never raced, did benefit from the R8C experience, but only in as much as the early car showed us what not to do! Having said that most of the problems with that car were aero related, and although I steered clear of carrying virtually any R8C ideas onto the ’00 prototype, I did reintroduce a number of them, mainly in the suspension, on the ’03 car when nobody was looking. Which rather tended to prove the old adage that you need to understand the root cause of a problem to deal with it satisfactorily!

There was not a great deal of carry over of design staff between R8C and subsequent Bentley projects. We were on the point of moving to 3D CAD for the ’00 car, and recruiting for that whereas quite a bit of the R8C was drawn to our schemes by contract staff in 2D. The design team was fairly stable during the rest of the Bentley program.

The full interview can be found here
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/bentleyelleray.html