Change gold time for Vettel Challenge?

[Duck]

I mastered Monza, but I'm 0"8 over Suzuka gold. My split times are good, but is very hard to make two perfect laps. I'm trying with FF at 1, but it's still to high to change direction at will.
I also injured myself ( a little graze on a finger) fighting with the FF.
It's insane, it's not a driving challenge.... I want to do this and then forget...

 

[gakujin]

lol, it seems I'm not the only one injured. I have to wear a wrist stabilizer now >.>. Maybe it's the darned controller being so small.

 

[Duck]

Suzuka: 2'10"1 three times.
FF reduced in options at 1, power steering, simulation level -> newbie level steering. Now I can change direction in a faster way without injuring myself

SRF on, ABS 10, as seen wherever.

My personal best at 1st lap is 1'05"5 (I think is very slow), but 1'06" is the average.
Second lap record in 1'04"1.
The combined ideal lap is 0"4 less than gold.
The problems are: 1st lap too slow, can't flatout Degner, the chicane is very unpredictable when taking kerbs: I lost 10 good attempts with errors in the 1st or 2nd lap misjudging oversteer or understeer.

I'm at 8-9 hours over there. It's too much. I want to do other more enjoying things. But tomorrow I'll be there for another session.....

 

[Diesel Pump]

I golded the Vettel challenge taking a lot of tries... A LOT...

Anyway, let's make this clear:

The Vettel challenge is an absurd rocketship rubbish event. That is NOT driving on planet earth.

The real driving simulator, yeah right...

 

[Scalage]

I have a G25 for the pc sims, but I can't use it on my ps3 because my &$#@ monitor doesn't have HDCP (what idiot invented this anyway?). So I'm forced to use a ds3 with gt5 although I have a good wheel.
Ah, well. It's only a game anyway compared to 'real' sims.

 

[gfMemo92]

I Golded All three with DS3. I did struggle at first and one time did want to cry, but i didnt give up. I continued for days hours. I even made a thread about it in GameTrailers complaining about it. Then i Golded them.

Now i know that its not going to be fair for the ones like me that have Golded. But to tell you the truth. That challenge sticks. It is not a Challenge its more of a mistake. They should change the gold times at least 2 seconds or 3. Give the others a chance at least.

All i can say is that you have my support i vote for them to be changed even though i Golded them already.

 

[jumper5836]

I can come 1 sec off the silver times. I use a Fanatec wheel and I am considered a pretty good driver, I'd say average.
I struggled to get bronze at the old time, gold is beyond my capabilities. Even while bronzing it, I almost broke my TV and wheel and threw it out the window.

I can't gold the first grand tour challenge on Eiger Northwand nor get the Nurburg track golds. Everything else I got though there were a few that were very very hard.

I'd say what the point of making this challenge easier when for the average person they can't get gold in the others. Even if they made it for easier for average people, there would be a ton of people that still couldn't ever gold it.
They really should have had more broader range of qa testers, they have really set some of the times at alien levels which are unattainable by us regular people and then they have got challenges way to easy. Really poor q&a product testing.

 

[LittleZippyUK]

Not being funny, on a wheel this is tricky. I struggle to do it

 

[Duck]

Finally, after 5 days I did it. And Nurburgring in less than 2 hours. No matter if I managed to gold this ****, already. Suzuka is too hard: it should have gold and silver times raised by 0"5-1". Also Nurburgring could be raised by 0"5. I managed to do it quickly, but only after dozens of hours spent at Suzuka.

The world is quite slow, by now. But I like it as is.

Have a nice time.

 

[Caliper]

I won't say it's easy, but it's the about the only real challenge left in GT5 that has not been nerfed by PD, I say it should stay the same.

And it's very satisfying when you get gold.

 

[Bigbazz]

Changing the gold times of this challenge to be much easier would be one of the worst things they could do to the game. The Carbon X2010 is for those who earn it, if it is easy then it is just as worthless an achievement as getting the bronze.

 

[Duck]

Changing the gold times of this challenge to be much easier would be one of the worst things they could do to the game. The Carbon X2010 is for those who earn it, if it is easy then it is just as worthless an achievement as getting the bronze.

Why not?
I think there are 1000 dupied carbon X2010 for each legally earned one.
I've seen every kind of unfair use of the game, due to the lack of a professional engineering of game balancing and file backup issues.

There is nothing in this game that separates bad and good drivers. Golding the X Challenge doesn't mean you are a decent driver, or just a better driver than one who is not capable of doing it. Just score 100000 A-spec points without NOS in GT4. Just design a 30th level challenge with a real car, I mean a car in which I would not die driving due to g-force.

PD had to think this before releasing the game. So they did a very good simulator with a poor game design. They let seriously interested people drive with satisfaction, and gave at not-as-good ones their rewards and trophies.
So why not a Carbon X2010 too? I can't see valid reasons to not make the challenge less nosense, and not would be the worst thing they already did with the game. Just think at what they did with the AI in 1.06!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bigbazz]

Why not?
I think there are 1000 dupied carbon X2010 for each legally earned one.
I've seen every kind of unfair use of the game, due to the lack of a professional engineering of game balancing and file backup issues.

There is nothing in this game that separates bad and good drivers. Golding the X Challenge doesn't mean you are a decent driver, or just a better driver than one who is not capable of doing it. Just score 100000 A-spec points without NOS in GT4. Just design a 30th level challenge with a real car, I mean a car in which I would not die driving due to g-force.

PD had to think this before releasing the game. So they did a very good simulator with a poor game design. They let seriously interested people drive with satisfaction, and gave at not-as-good ones their rewards and trophies.
So why not a Carbon X2010 too? I can't see valid reasons to not make the challenge less nosense, and not would be the worst thing they already did with the game. Just think at what they did with the AI in 1.06!!!!!!!!!!!!

The fact that so many people were happy that there was atleast some challenges in the game is why it should not be removed. Golding the Vettel Challenge is the hardest thing in the game, and it does require skill. If it was easy then the game would have 0 challenging content.

A lot of people golded it, so i fail to see how it is "nonsense" by being so hard.

Your theory of "People already cheated to get it so you may aswell give it away for free" is just stupid.


People already robbed the bank of its money, might aswell give away all the rest of the money for free, free money for all!

 

[Airrider]

Dropping the silver time a little bit would be nice so more Lv.30 and thereabouts drivers can really own an X2010 that's not in Vettel's colors, but keep the gold time where it is.

The Carbon X2010 is supposed to be a bit of a badge of honor amongst GT-ers.

 

[gakujin]

So bigbazz, how many have done it with the default settings in a DS3? 2nd, over 50% of the voters what the times changed and a lot that don't want the times changed have said they can't do it, the rest say they wont try. Making a challenge where only hundreds of the rest of the DS3 users sounds a bit bs. I honestly think they never tested doing this challenge with a controller. Before you start on a "get a wheel because this is a simulator" let me remind poeple that for non enthusiasts, this is just a game. And secondly, wheels here in PR are a bit more expensive and most ebay sellers don't ship here which makes the wheel completely out of my budget.

 

[Bigbazz]

So bigbazz, how many have done it with the default settings in a DS3? 2nd, over 50% of the voters what the times changed and a lot that don't want the times changed have said they can't do it, the rest say they wont try. Making a challenge where only hundreds of the rest of the DS3 users sounds a bit bs. I honestly think they never tested doing this challenge with a controller. Before you start on a "get a wheel because this is a simulator" let me remind poeple that for non enthusiasts, this is just a game. And secondly, wheels here in PR are a bit more expensive and most ebay sellers don't ship here which makes the wheel completely out of my budget.

Firstly, threads and polls like this will attract more people who are struggling with the challenge or do not want to put in the effort, many who have golded it will skip the thread and thus it is likely that the majority of people coming to this thread are the guys having trouble... So you cannot count a majority vote in this thread as the majority opinion.

Secondly, If it was easy then it wouldn't be a challenge. Many people have golded it with a DS3 so it is obviously not too hard. The challenge is not a challenge if it is easy.

If they reduce the gold times they may aswell remove the challenge and just hand out free X1 Prototypes. If you cannot do it then move on, you can get an X1 from the easy bronze times.

Leave the Gold times as they are.

 

[ninjasansan]

Actually I think we should leave them as they are. Of course it's much more difficult with the DS3, but If I could bronze it with my limited Driving ability, I'm pretty sure some can gold or silver it.

They just need to make the Cash payout 5,000,000 each time you do beat a section of it though.

THEN we'd be talking. XD

 

[gfMemo92]

Changing the gold times of this challenge to be much easier would be one of the worst things they could do to the game. The Carbon X2010 is for those who earn it, if it is easy then it is just as worthless an achievement as getting the bronze.

I really dont care. I have all golds. But to tell you the truth I dont care. Because most of GT players already have X1s.

 

[gakujin]

Firstly, threads and polls like this will attract more people who are struggling with the challenge or do not want to put in the effort, many who have golded it will skip the thread and thus it is likely that the majority of people coming to this thread are the guys having trouble... So you cannot count a majority vote in this thread as the majority opinion.

Secondly, If it was easy then it wouldn't be a challenge. Many people have golded it with a DS3 so it is obviously not too hard. The challenge is not a challenge if it is easy.

If they reduce the gold times they may aswell remove the challenge and just hand out free X1 Prototypes. If you cannot do it then move on, you can get an X1 from the easy bronze times.

Leave the Gold times as they are.

I reply with this; How can you prove to me that the mayority of the people entering this thread are people struggling with the challenge? Secondly, how can you prove to me that "many have done it using the DS3" and by many, I mean at least 10% of the DS3 population. If less than 10% can do it, this challenge is definitely bs. Note, I am not talking about making it easy, I'm talking about making it such that at least 10% of the ds3 users could do it. Basically add 1 second more to the gold times for DS3 users. Thirdly, how can you, come here and state it's not too hard if I've spent close to 90 hours now and still I've not golded Nurburgring by .8 seconds?

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I voted no, not because it's easy because it clearly isn't but because it is now doable and if I (somebody who constantly finishes last online) can do it with an Auto gearbox and DS3 anybody can do it.

 

[Duck]

Sorry. It seems I provocated him/her. But i don't think anyone can tell me my theory is stupid.

 

[zaide]

I'm against this. They shouldn't put this on a silver platter just because people complain it is difficult. There's a reason this is called a challenge, and quite frankly, it's the only one you face on GT5.

I completely fail to see how spending 50, 70 or 100+ hours justifies increasing the times, I'm sorry but that is just weak. Lack the persistance and determination to gold them? move on to something else.

 

[gakujin]

I'm against this. They shouldn't put this on a silver platter just because people complain it is difficult. There's a reason this is called a challenge, and quite frankly, it's the only one you face on GT5.

I completely fail to see how spending 50, 70 or 100+ hours justifies increasing the times, I'm sorry but that is just weak. Lack the persistance and determination to gold them? move on to something else.

Excuse me if I seem rude, but do tell me how trying for 80+ hours lack of persistance and determination. I'll tell you the perfect reason why the times should be changed. Because atleast 60% of DS3 users are being Denied content. I know some of you are purists, and I don't blame your fanatism. But this is software everone pays the same amout of money for. It's discriminating to deny content to a mayority of users that pay the same amout of money for the software. Again I'm not saying to make it easy, I'm just saying adding a second still makes it very very hard. But as it now stands at least most ds3 users can't and proably wont gold this. I'm sorry but it's kinda sad you personally say that trying something for over 90 hours having "lack of persistence".

 

[Apollo87]

Excuse me if I seem rude, but do tell me how trying for 80+ hours lack of persistance and determination. I'll tell you the perfect reason why the times should be changed. Because atleast 60% of DS3 users are being Denied content. I know some of you are purists, and I don't blame your fanatism. But this is software everone pays the same amout of money for. It's discriminating to deny content to a mayority of users that pay the same amout of money for the software. Again I'm not saying to make it easy, I'm just saying adding a second still makes it very very hard. But as it now stands at least most ds3 users can't and proably wont gold this. I'm sorry but it's kinda sad you personally say that trying something for over 90 hours having "lack of persistence".

For some time, games have been mostly about time spent, you can get the same things as other more skilled gamers it just will take you some more play time, and then there comes a game that actually tests skill and people whine as if it were the end of the world.

You're not being denied content since it has been gotten by people in the same conditions as you so it's possible, and you can get the X2010 either way, be it by lvling to 35, getting bronze on the challenges or actually buying one from the dealership, if you don't like S.Vettel's colors you're more than welcome to save 20mill and purchasing one of a different color.

I haven't gotten gold on the challenges and I don't think I'll be able to do so but either way it's things like this that push you into being a better driver or a better gamer, besides I wouldn't want to take away the recognition from players who earned their carbon X10 with the sweat of their brow so I'm voting no, not because it's easy as it is but because things should be challenging from time to time.

 

[Danzig]

So frustrating! Just unlocked these this morning and haven't even posted a time for them. going to take lots of practice... I probably won't even bother wasting time on it.

 

[GTShadowKing]

I really would not care if I couldn't beat this challenge as I never complained that I never golded all license tests in GT4. There is just one thing that pisses me of: I will not platinum this game that I put so much of my time and determination...
Well, maybe with more practise, but I just can't see myself golding Suzuka. It's too freaking hard.
BTW, whats the point of a challenge that is hard, but instead of having fun trying to beat it, you will only get tons and tons of frustration, and when you finally beat it, instead of feeling good and ancomplished, you will just think: "I will never touch this stupid s**t again", and end of the story...

 

[zaide]

Excuse me if I seem rude, but do tell me how trying for 80+ hours lack of persistance and determination.

Asking to change the times because you feel you've tried for long enough and still haven't managed to get gold, shows a lack of it to a degree in my honest opinion. You're essentially asking PD to nullify the efforts of players who beat the original times, to accomodate your needs. That doesn't seem fair to me, no offense.

I'll tell you the perfect reason why the times should be changed. Because atleast 60% of DS3 users are being Denied content. I know some of you are purists, and I don't blame your fanatism. But this is software everone pays the same amout of money for. It's discriminating to deny content to a mayority of users that pay the same amout of money for the software.

How are you being denied content? It is hard but realistically possible to gold the challenges with a DS3, many people have done it since the steering sensitivity option was implemented. Yes, many.. that wasn't a typo.

Just to clarify, I'm far from being a purist so that has nothing to do with me being against this. I've duped cars, grinded for cash/XP, etc.

Again I'm not saying to make it easy, I'm just saying adding a second still makes it very very hard. But as it now stands at least most ds3 users can't and proably wont gold this. I'm sorry but it's kinda sad you personally say that trying something for over 90 hours having "lack of persistence".

Adding a second or five is irrelevant. You feel this shouldn't be as hard for you as it was to others, because you spent too much time and it's "discriminating" to ask you for the same amount of effort. I respect your opinion, but completely disagree with it.

 

[Bigbazz]

I reply with this; How can you prove to me that the mayority of the people entering this thread are people struggling with the challenge? Secondly, how can you prove to me that "many have done it using the DS3" and by many, I mean at least 10% of the DS3 population. If less than 10% can do it, this challenge is definitely bs. Note, I am not talking about making it easy, I'm talking about making it such that at least 10% of the ds3 users could do it. Basically add 1 second more to the gold times for DS3 users. Thirdly, how can you, come here and state it's not too hard if I've spent close to 90 hours now and still I've not golded Nurburgring by .8 seconds?

The challenge is meant to be the hardest thing in the game, by golding it you get nothing that someone who hasnt golded it can get, the Carbon X1 is only different in colour to the standard X1 cars which are easily available.


I would expect only the top 10-20% of players to achieve this, and having been a member of this website and someone who checks it almost every day, i am consistantly reminded of the fact that it is possible to do with a DS3. When the patch came allowing controller sensitivity there was a massive rush of players who had then been able to gold it with the DS3.


This is a challenge, you may not have the skill to do it, or the racing lines perfected, then you're not ready for it. Put it down and come back to it later.


People who say they are being denied of content? Well boohoo, i'm sorry that you paid your money and your lack of skill or determination is denying you a different colour of X1 car, because that is all you get for it. Whats the point in a challenge if its just a handout. What happened to the times when games were near impossible to complete and that was ok?

 

[gakujin]

@ zalde, as I said to bigbazz, prove to me that over 10% of ds3 users can do it and I tell you that many have golded it. But the poll and most comments here says otherwise. Don't think I'm only speaking for myself here. I'm speaking for all those who are afraid to speak up on the matter. The poll clearly states that I'm not the only one that believes this. In fact, there are a lot of people here that want a stronger increase of time. Let me tell you though, I'm glad I'm getting a real and serious comment from you rather than the completely elitistic comment bigbazz just spewed out. You guys have to understand one thing, not everyone has natural skills. What difference does it make if they change gold times for 1 second. In the end you still had a better lap-time than myself. If I ever do gold this challenge, I'll still be in favor of gold times being changed. As you can tell by bigbazz's comment, appealing to just a 10-20% community will not make you popular as a software developing team. I do, however, have a question, does the X1 you get for silvering have the custom transmission enabled? Cause I know I can get silver without too much hassle.

BTW @ Zalde and Bigbazz, let's just agree to disagree. We are not really going to make any progress by diferring anymore.

 

[PAWEL17]

@ zalde, as I said to bigbazz, prove to me that over 10% of ds3 users can do it and I tell you that many have golded it. But the poll and most comments here says otherwise. Don't think I'm only speaking for myself here. I'm speaking for all those who are afraid to speak up on the matter. The poll clearly states that I'm not the only one that believes this. In fact, there are a lot of people here that want a stronger increase of time. Let me tell you though, I'm glad I'm getting a real and serious comment from you rather than the completely elitistic comment bigbazz just spewed out. You guys have to understand one thing, not everyone has natural skills. What difference does it make if they change gold times for 1 second. In the end you still had a better lap-time than myself. If I ever do gold this challenge, I'll still be in favor of gold times being changed. As you can tell by bigbazz's comment, appealing to just a 10-20% community will not make you popular as a software developing team. I do, however, have a question, does the X1 you get for silvering have the custom transmission enabled? Cause I know I can get silver without too much hassle.

BTW @ Zalde and Bigbazz, let's just agree to disagree. We are not really going to make any progress by diferring anymore.

Its a game made by japanese, it is supposed to be really difficult and time consuming.