Cheating is a must in this game

[SavageEvil]

New thread huh? Well it's not like GT5 is without some glaring flaws which still have not been addressed as of yet. Overly expensive cars which are made even harder by the fact that you have a limit on how much money you can amass, that puts a real damper on just building cash until you are ready to splurge. Then you have no repeat win prizes and unsellable prize cars, and gimped payout for long drawn out races are you seriously telling me repeating this stuff is supposed to be fun? Even your PS3 is probably bored of seeing the same damn race for the 300th time on the same Indianapolis course. Why did they change GT4 setup, it worked wonders for me. I played that till my hearts content, I enjoyed playing races over again because there was more than just money at the end; another car I could sell for even more money to buy those expensive autos that were in the dealership.
People are looking for ways to quickly get money to do things that in other GT games weren't such irritating things to do. Insult to injury, the prizes they give you for some races is beyond stupid, what in the hell would I do with a Daihatsu Midget truck after using some truck to win those truck races? They give you the same thing for B Spec too this has to be a joke of sorts. It just seems that PD went out of their way to make GT5 boring in terms of enjoyment(thank God for online). I hate racing A Spec, I use remote race and B Spec and when people are online, I race online. A Spec I'm up to the Endurances and will not attempt until I can save during the race, I don't have the fortitude to sit there and leave my PS3 running to play some long boring race(yes the AI will give me no competition). Wonder if Kaz will do something about the overly cautious AI, this is making racing a little more than a mindless snore fest.

Side note, what is with people on here blatantly lying about not grinding? That is an impossibility to get to high levels without doing grinding(repeating) of races you completed. What are you some sort of magician who can magically win every races and gold every race on the first attempt? Then to compound that fib, this individual has over 600 cars? Without grinding? Ok I definitely believe that one. While you may not think it is a grind, fact is it is called grinding. All GT's had it, this GT just makes is the worst grinding out of all of them combined. How on earth PD screwed up that staple of GT legend is beyond me, it's what made GT last so long with it's lazy AI routine. The payouts and cars to buy and modify then race in two player or run tournaments held here(I was in one for GT4).

I don't care how people get their enjoyment out of GT5, watching people cheat to get lots of money doesn't bother me in the least. In fact I hope more people will get as many cars as possible so that I can have some more people to against in tuned up cars. Only so long until everyone has lots of tuned cars to bring to races, that PP addition was a work of art along with the weight ballast and power limiter online racing is a lot more fun and easier to fit cars into races. Now just a few more restrictions and we should be set, RM and Race Cars you should be able to restrict those when you want to, keep them out of street car races, I hate people who can't read or those who try to be slick at the last moment. Either way, more people with money equals more cars to tinker with and more people to run against.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Let me ask you, is there something that you see people enjoy doing but you personally find too tedious to enjoy? Perhaps knitting an entire bedspread? Hand stitching a blanket? Putting together a lifelike model train city?

Is it your fault for doing it wrong that you don't enjoy those things?

No... and that's the thing, you are taking your point of view and saying that because others do not enjoy to the extent you do, that they are doing it wrong.

It sounds like in a round about way we are making a similar point, I wouldn't stitch a blanket because yes I would find it boring. If I were to be convinced I needed a blanket then enduring that tedium would be self inflicted.

The point is GT is meant to be fun. PD probably had a vision that people wouldn't grind to own every exotic car but would instead reward themselves after mastering A-Spec with 1 or 2 and perhaps access the others by sharing with friends.

 

[Devedander]

It sounds like in a round about way we are making a similar point, I wouldn't stitch a blanket because yes I would find it boring. If I were to be convinced I needed a blanket then enduring that tedium would be self inflicted.

The point is GT is meant to be fun. PD probably had a vision that people wouldn't grind to own every exotic car but would instead reward themselves after mastering A-Spec with 1 or 2 and perhaps access the others by sharing with friends.

This is the krux of the issue... it may be MEANT to be fun, but for the vast majority it's didn't turn out that way.

That's why all the glitching and duping and what not.

Back to the chicken analogy, maybe every meal is supposed to be exciting and enjoyable, but if it's chicken everyday most people will find it's not.

While you might enjoy chicken every day and thus appreciate it, you kind of have to accept why it is you enjoy it and realize it's not really fair to tell others they are doing wrong becaues they aren't in the minority who happen to enjoy that situation.

Or imagine if PD released GT5 but instead of the grind, you had to stitch a blanket every few levels. This is never how it was in previous GT games and no one else does this in the game industry. Everyone buys GT5 including you and to your surprise you find this blanket stitching thing in the game...

It doesn't matter whether you try to cram all the blankets into one month or take 3 years to do it... you just plain don't want to stitch blankets.

So you find a way to get around it, you just sew a sock and it counts as a blanket and now you can get back to the part of the game that's fun and not a chore that you don't like.

Along comes someone who loves stitching blankets and says "Why do you want to finish in a month? I love stitching blankets! I do backstiches, double stitches, drop stitches, it's great! I take my time and enjoy the game the REAL way".

See how that wouldn't make sense unless you were one of the minority who love stitching blankets?

 

[dtn23]

To some degree I see his point. He may have worded it wrong but when
I was 'cheating' in the marketplace every day, it kept me hooked. Setting up trades with people and waiting on the reset to get that next toy was a lot of fun. Since 1.07 I've been spending alot of time on black ops. Collecting cars was my favorite part and I may have been duping to do it but that's more reasonable that farming credits for 20 hours or spamming the ucd refresh. I get why it's technically and I suppose fundamentally wrong, but duping and trading pleases more people than it bothered. And now I'm playing other games, which is sad since gt5 hadn't left my system since release day. I just don't see what's left to play for when all I have to complete are the 9+ hour races and lots of grinding. Love the game but I wish I could enjoy it my way. Especially since it wasn't hurting anyone. If anything, it encouraged a community setting :/

 

[Devedander]

To some degree I see his point. He may have worded it wrong but when
I was 'cheating' in the marketplace every day, it kept me hooked. Setting up trades with people and waiting on the reset to get that next toy was a lot of fun. Since 1.07 I've been spending alot of time on black ops. Collecting cars was my favorite part and I may have been duping to do it but that's more reasonable that farming credits for 20 hours or spamming the ucd refresh. I get why it's technically and I suppose fundamentally wrong, but duping and trading pleases more people than it bothered. And now I'm playing other games, which is sad since gt5 hadn't left my system since release day. I just don't see what's left to play for when all I have to complete are the 9+ hour races and lots of grinding. Love the game but I wish I could enjoy it my way. Especially since it wasn't hurting anyone. If anything, it encouraged a community setting :/

Exactly - the game set such a high "value" on the cars that they were no longer interesting to attain because what you had to "pay" (in terms of time spent) to get them was not worth it.

The options then are to find an agreeable "value" or move on to something else that provides you the proper balance of value to fun.

People often assume that they need to path these problems so people will stop cheating... the problem is that doesn't account for the possibility that the game is broken and that's the real problem and without an option other than what the broken game provides, people will just not bother.

 

[DMC_S2000]

Patience. Have fun. Take your time. Grind for it.

there...its fixed...

 

[brambos]

Climbing a mountain for 20 million credits is a challenge.
Walking the same stairs up and down 1500 times for those same 20 million credits is a tedious grind.

As a game developer*, PD have failed miserably this time. Let's hope they don't listen too much to the handfull of oldschool hardliners but to the great majority when they start working on GT6.


* as a driving sim developer they still rule supreme, ofcourse...

 

[LancerEvoXGTSR]

I actually restarted my game a few days ago. I think I played the game (the first run through) very "quickly" and I missed many things. I own 4 cars right now, but, as I decided to avoid being overpowered or grinding for a much faster car than my rivals, I'm truly enjoying every event (yeah, even the beginner-2 lap races). I think that you have to be responsable for your own experience when playing GT5.

If you use GT as a "pokemon" type of game and see the cars just as a number, you'll probably hate the fact that there are 20,000,000 crd. cars. But, if you enjoy everyone of your cars; take care of having competitive, fun races, you don't need to own every car, at least right away.

Be patience, take your time, you'll learn that even the Daihatsu OFC can be a nice, fun and unique driving experience.

 

[Devedander]

I actually restarted my game a few days ago. I think I played the game (the first run through) very "quickly" and I missed many things. I own 4 cars right now, but, as I decided to avoid being overpowered or grinding for a much faster car than my rivals, I'm truly enjoying every event (yeah, even the beginner-2 lap races). I think that you have to be responsable for your own experience when playing GT5.

If you use GT as a "pokemon" type of game and see the cars just as a number, you'll probably hate the fact that there are 20,000,000 crd. cars. But, if you enjoy everyone of your cars; take care of having competitive, fun races, you don't need to own every car, at least right away.

Be patience, take your time, you'll learn that even the Daihatsu OFC can be a nice, fun and unique driving experience.

While this may work early its because the events are set up so you can carry on through quite a few races with a small set of cars. But as you progress the game loses that and you end up having to get lots of one use cars. This is where it falls apart.

That and the fact that "making" a game should entail creating this scenario, it shouldn't fall on the player to make the game nor should you need to have knowledge gained from playing once already just to progress reasonably.

 

[Tvensky]

Burn all cheaters like witches on a stick! 👍

what about grinding.. im level 33 NEVER played same race again.. I have all cars I want 350, maybe you all just cant complete %. I have 95% and GT gives me all I want! Never needed grinding.. Completed all seasonal events 100%, It gave me over 20.000.000 credits after last season..

 

[LancerEvoXGTSR]

While this may work early its because the events are set up so you can carry on through quite a few races with a small set of cars. But as you progress the game loses that and you end up having to get lots of one use cars. This is where it falls apart.

That and the fact that "making" a game should entail creating this scenario, it shouldn't fall on the player to make the game nor should you need to have knowledge gained from playing once already just to progress reasonably.

yeah, I agree with that. After a while the game gets to a point in which can be a little hard, at least harder than it might should be, to get the car you need to have a competitive race.

What I meant with being responsable of your own experience is the fact that one of the biggest appeals of GT is that independence. You can play this game in many different ways, and it all comes down to which kind of experience you want to have. If you skip all the cinemas in a videogame, and there are an incredible amount of gamers who do it, it would be a little stupid if you complained about the game not having a good storyline, don't you think?. And there's nothing that the developer can do there; just an example (maybe a little confusing one, also ).

I completely agree with the fact that GT5 is not very well-balanced in some aspects, but I think that is a lot harder to create a racing game in which you truly feel a level of affection or achievement by getting a rare car or finally getting that set of tuned parts that you needed (the UCD and the trading system, at least the one intended and not that awful "everybody has a X1" thing that is now, are, maybe unsuccesful for some players, attemps of obtaining that feeling on the gamer).

GT5 is not an easy, "just drive what you want", very user-friendly kind of game (now that I think of it, I don't think that any other title in the series fits in this discription; in comparision to the NFS, Forza, Test Drive and any other of those series that is) but at least it has always being loyal to its style and I don't think that any other game, at least driving game, can get that type of "car lover RPG" gameplay.

I dunno, I just think that you don't buy a Final Fantasy and then you complain for the fact that you have to repeat the same fight, with the same monsters, all over and over again in order to achieve that extra level.

 

[novcze]

I don't mind if somebody cheating for money. I also don't want (as employed grown-up) to spend my time grinding for money so I can buy cars I want.

 

[JeffKill]

what about grinding.. im level 33 NEVER played same race again..

Bull:censored:. Unless you have a different version of GT5 than I do.

There is no way you got to level 33 in A-spec without repeating a single race.

 

[JayDW]

Bull:censored:. Unless you have a different version of GT5 than I do.

There is no way you got to level 33 in A-spec without repeating a single race.

So damn true, the only reason I'm at level 29 is because of the seasonal events which I did over and over.

 

[highlightshadow]

Problem i have with the game is that the racing just isn't racing ....

In a typical event the cars you're facing off against have WAY too wide a range in spec/tallent ... I find i'm tuning my car (even to have a really good battle) with only 1 opponent

I did 1 endurance race (gran valley) and there was only a leading group of 2 or 3 cars out of the 12.... the others were getting lapped just as often by the 2nd place guy as they were by me ... its just dull

The problem with the content is that its the SAME content we've had for 5 games now .... yes the physics / graphics and handling are better but the tracks are old and tired in general

GT5 is off my active game list now ..... i'm really close to trading it in ... just can't see it coming good ... at least with a game like need for speed even if it is arcade racing is FUN

 

[madrab73]

Is there any way to get the Gamestop Nascar without cheating?

It's not even in the car list.

 

[dtn23]

So you're trying to say that you got to lvl 33 and have 350 cars and 20 million Cr without redoing a single race? I know for a fact that this is impossible. If you're gonna lie to a group of people who know the game just as well, if not better than yourself, make it a reasonable lie. I'd almost bet you aren't even 33.

 

[NMRacing]

I was at A-spec level 20 before I had done any A-spec events, I think I am level 26 at the moment and have done a handfull of events for cash and the prize car. I think i will easily hit level 33 before I have completed the A-spec events

 

[brambos]

I was at A-spec level 20 before I had done any A-spec events, I think I am level 26 at the moment and have done a handfull of events for cash and the prize car. I think i will easily hit level 33 before I have completed the A-spec events

The XP requirements for levelling up increase exponentially. You'll find that once you hit level 30 things will have slowed down considerably, and by the time you're promoted to 34, you'll hit a virtual standstill unless you repeat all endurances over and over.

That is not a big problem in itself, because by that time you've unlocked all events except for the two 24 hour races. But with the recently decreased credit payouts, your garage will look bleak, containing mostly the bland, uninspired 90s Japanese prototype cars that PD deemed good enough for prize cars... 👎

As Yoda would say: grind you must, young padawan!

 

[Sohvakettu]

Cheating isn't must in this game but i can kind of understand why some people do it. I also think that the level system in the game is a failure. It just doesn't really do anything except sometimes stops people getting to the content they want from the game.

On the topic of how much leveling can be done without grinding: I think i got to level 29 with special event's and the a-spec races and doing some of the endurances got me to lvl 30. The rest of the 33 levels i got are from seasonal events and online racing. Will propably get lvl 35 reasonably easy without grinding if i can keep the interest in the game up but i'm afraid lvl 40 and the 24 hours of Nürburgring are out of my reach.

 

[Devedander]

Burn all cheaters like witches on a stick! 👍

what about grinding.. im level 33 NEVER played same race again.. I have all cars I want 350, maybe you all just cant complete %. I have 95% and GT gives me all I want! Never needed grinding.. Completed all seasonal events 100%, It gave me over 20.000.000 credits after last season..

That was PDs bandaid to grinding. You got it to work for you... unfortunately how does that help anyone now? Those events are gone...

Also it only really works if you don't want many of the 15mill+ cars.

Look at what you said - you got 20mill and tons of xp from seasonals and you only wanted about 350 cars. If that's all you want sure, grinding is not big deal.

If you want more or all cars and level 40.... have fun at Indy!

If you skip all the cinemas in a videogame, and there are an incredible amount of gamers who do it, it would be a little stupid if you complained about the game not having a good storyline, don't you think?. And there's nothing that the developer can do there; just an example (maybe a little confusing one, also ).

Which is why a well made game will force you to see each cutscene at least once if the games story depends on it (ie no button through on first watch). If GT5 a game which depended on cut scense for a story, it would have hours and hours of unecessary and boring ones with the same ones repeating often and no way to button through them.

I dunno, I just think that you don't buy a Final Fantasy and then you complain for the fact that you have to repeat the same fight, with the same monsters, all over and over again in order to achieve that extra level.

Some people do... however there are two thigns to consider -

1 FF has ALWAYS been about that. There is no reason for the consumer to expect otherwise, unlike GT in which GT5 is the first to have pretty much mandatory grinding due to a poor level scheme.

2 Even the grind heaviest RPGs are usually designed with a reasonable built in progress formula. The monster grinding should be balanced so that you can continue at a comfortable pace under normal circumstances or take it leasurely if you want to. GT5 lacks this well balanced progression and constant feeling of advancement.

If an FF was designed like GT5, the first half of the story would have the monsters continually getting harder (thus shelling out an appropriate reward as you level up) then suddenly they would more or less top out and in reward while you continue to level up.

It's funny because GT5's xp level literally mirrors he RPG world... when you are a low levels and leveling up is only 100xp different, these weak monsters are fine, but those monsters better start giving out more xp when I am a higher level and levels are no 20,000 apart... and in GT5 they don't...

Both comparisions you have used actually perfectly illustrate why GT5s progression fails.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Burn all cheaters like witches on a stick! 👍

what about grinding.. im level 33 NEVER played same race again.. I have all cars I want 350, maybe you all just cant complete %. I have 95% and GT gives me all I want! Never needed grinding.. Completed all seasonal events 100%, It gave me over 20.000.000 credits after last season..

What kind of cars are you buying? I have a hunch that the majority of them are cheap cars or a lot of the duplicate Skylines, NSXs, Miatas, etc.

If you're trying to get a lot of the race cars, which is what I'm doing, you're going to need A LOT more than 20,000,000 credits.

 

[brambos]

If you're trying to get a lot of the race cars, which is what I'm doing, you're going to need A LOT more than 20,000,000 credits.

Indeed. In GT5's brilliant economy, 20 million buys you 2 or 3 good race cars, or just one proper classic. Seeing how there are dozens, may even 150 super interesting high end cars in the game, I'm glad I traded for most of them before the trading ban kicked in.

Now I can use the petty cash I get from racing A-spec over and over for buying the cheap, boring junk, such as the Skylines, Imprezas and Mustangs.

 

[Mulan]

Have read all the posts and what i see is the same thing happening to most, except the ones in denial. Well, i wonder if PD is aware of this or did they ever play this game without "cheats on" in dev.mode? All good for the ones with internet, there is a little more cash to get there, but there should be a warning sign to all that dont have the PS3 connected to the internet, this game is not as it was on PS2. Well, i hope next patch does something against this and if not i guess Kaz not gonna see a GT6 coming. But i dont mind i guess because Shift2 is coming soon and it looks great. I watched videos of racing and the AI seemed really hard to beat. So if that is the case then noone will miss GT5. But good competition is needed so that this type of games evolve. I think Grid2 and FM4 will bring something new to this genre too and not a game so blinded of its past that it cant change. I guess 6 years were 4 years too long for this game,

 

[zedfonsie]

This game was never intended to be completed within a week/month.

I totally agree.

This game is meant to take time to finish it.
I like grinding a million times too tell you the truth.
But people get lazy and then resort to cheating.
I'm partially glad of 1.07 but in a way i am also not.
I think there should be an online market
Therefor it's easier to trade and its impossible to duplicate.👍

 

[JeffKill]

I totally agree.

This game is meant to take time to finish it.
I like grinding a million times too tell you the truth.
But people get lazy and then resort to cheating.
I'm partially glad of 1.07 but in a way i am also not.
I think there should be an online market
Therefor it's easier to trade and its impossible to duplicate.👍

So anyone that isn't like you, and doesn't enjoy repeating the same races 100 times over, is lazy?? 👎

 

[brambos]

I totally agree.

This game is meant to take time to finish it.

If you're talking about older GT games like GT4 and GT3, I agree. GT5 however does not have the depth nor the content and structure to keep sane people busy for more than a month.

Dropping out after that point has NOTHING to do with being lazy, but with being bored out of our wits with the repetition.

 

[Goudvis]

So anyone that isn't like you, and doesn't enjoy repeating the same races 100 times over, is lazy?? 👎

That's not what he said, is it?

 

[brambos]

That's not what he said, is it?

No, that was exactly what he said. Except he said 'million', not 'hundred'... 👎

 

[Niandra]

oh no... not this again lol.
I think you guys are just getting bored with the game haha.