Chevrolet Volt/Cadillac ELR Thread: 2016 EPA Ratings

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...Thats not a very long cord...

But! I do like how it plugs in:

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(The Volt badge slides away to let you access the port)
 
Ya that is pretty cleaver. I'm still curious about the voltage needed. I mean most people do not have 220V in their homes here in America so I'm guessing it's going to have to be a 110V. I don't think the cord needs to be very long though as most people will be plugging in while their car is in their garage. Plus that's just a preproduction one so who knows what the final one will entail.
 
I'm projecting a huge aftermarket in that regard. One that GM could easily capitalize on.
 
I still think they should incorporate that setup that they put on the Caravan on Pimp My Ride, where this module on your dash has exhaust sounds of different vehicles programmed in, and you choose which one you want (it's hooked up to the computer module so it knows how far the pedal is depressed), and it plays the sound on speakers mounted under the vehicle. You could have it quiet one day, while the next you could have it sound like a Aston Martin Vanquish! :dopey:
 
Who wants car noises? If I can get it to sound like the Millennium Falcon, I'm sold!
 
Hey, why not? Have it sound like a car...the Millenium Falcon...a WWI Biplane...it would be the new generation of car customization! :p
 
Who wants car noises? If I can get it to sound like the Millennium Falcon, I'm sold!

Agreed, make it sound like a star ship and I'll put my money down today.
 
Hey, why not? Have it sound like a car...the Millenium Falcon...a WWI Biplane...it would be the new generation of car customization! :p

I give it two months before some gangster configures it to pump out some rap/hip-hop to annoy everyone else on the roads. Or sirens or something.
 
Haha if it's complicated enough, I'm sure they couldn't mess with it. They could just be like iTunes and sell the different sounds so they control what's available for use.

And anyways, if they wanted that stuff they already have the means to have it installed.

Edit: and since when would a gangster want to drive an electric family sedan? :lol:
 
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Damn... the sounds man... the sounds! Huge batteries to run your bass in the parking lot all night? Who wouldn't hit dat, yo?
 
That's true. This is a hybrid I wouldn't be too ashamed of bringing to tailgate parties or other similar social events.
 
Look -- The Volt! During the Carpocalypse!

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**Note the Chevrolet Cruze body that its testing under**

If I'm understanding everything correctly, Rick Wagoner drove the mule through DC this morning/afternoon to show off to Congress, which was a good move.

Hmm. Odd that we need both the Volt and the Cruze to keep GM alive at this point.
 
So apparently GM spent $750 million in developing the Volt. I really hope it isn't a colossal failure.

CNN Money
Electric cars and the future of Detroit
Hybrid and electric cars play a big part in the business plans Detroit automakers presented to Congress on Tuesday. The only problem is that vehicles like General Motors' Chevrolet Volt won't be profitable for a decade or more.

"We're putting a lot of money into the Chevy Volt, which we're endeavoring to get into production by 2010," said GM CEO Rick Wagoner, under questioning from a congressional committee. "It will not be at that point fully cost competitive."

Still, some analysts argue that, even though it doesn't immediately help the bottom line, "green tech" programs are vital to the long-term survival of these companies.

For Detroit carmakers, there are three big reasons to continue working on projects like hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and electric vehicles even as money is running out to build regular cars and trucks.

"Building the business case for revolutionary technology is really different," said Eric Fedewa, vice president of global powertrain forecasting for industry consultants CSM Worldwide.
Staying ahead of the curve

In the business plan it sent to Congress, GM said it is spending more than $750 million to develop the Volt, much of which is going into battery research.

"The Volt is the first step in a long-term viability plan," said Rob Petersen, a spokesman for GM's electric vehicle programs.

GM executives have said the Volt's extended range electric drive technology will probably not be profitable for the company in at least its first generation. That pushes any return on investment out until at least 2016, GM CEO Wagoner told a Congressional panel on Friday.

But GM says it wants to be ahead of the next trend, not behind it.

"Electrification is ultimately on its way and battery technology is going to drive the move in that direction," said Petersen.

When that happens, and spokespeople for GM, Ford and Chrysler all say they're sure it will, these carmakers don't want to be left out.

"If you've got some revolutionary thing that consumers will buy, like the iPod, the manufacturers would absolutely like to be there," said Fedewa of CSM.
Trickle down

Batteries could be developed in a laboratory without creating an entire car to go around them, but a project like the Volt provides impetus to the project.

"If you're going to be developing battery technology," said John Pinson, an executive with the fuel economy consulting company Ricardo, "What better place to deliver it than in a cutting edge product."

Expensive, high-profile projects like the Volt can also uncover less expensive ways to save fuel on lower-tech vehicles along the way, Pinson said.

"The learnings from the aerodynamics lab have been invaluable," said GM's Peterson. of his company's work on the Volt.

Another example: Fuel economy technology developed for the Toyota Prius is being used on non-hybrid Toyota cars in Japan. Similar technology is expected to be introduced on non-hybrid Toyota cars here in the U.S. in the near future, a Toyota spokesman said.
Public opinion

"We expect to reposition General Motors as a technology leader in the industry," said Peterson.

If the Volt can do that, even some GM insiders admit, it would end a long public relations drought for GM. Despite huge investments in research and development GM has often been criticized as too slow to adopt new technology, like hybrid drivetrains.

In 2007, GM ranked second in the world in R&D spending, after Toyota, according to a report by consultants Booz & Co. In 2006, GM had ranked sixth among the top 20 companies worldwise in R&D. New research into advanced powertrains was responsible for that jump, according to the repot.

"To many people, when you're the leader in technology, I think, people look at you differently," Peterson said.

The model is Toyota and how it has capitalized on the Prius hybrid car.

In a recent survey of car shoppers on Kelley Blue Book's KBB.com Website, Toyota was perceived as the company that built the most fuel efficient vehicles by 70% of people, compared to 52% for Honda, the company that actually has the overall most fuel-efficient line-up of cars in the U.S. GM was perceived that why by only 20% of car shoppers.

Toyota was also perceived as the most environmentally-friendly car brand by more car shoppers than any other.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly right now, Congress specifically requested that companies explain their plans for building more high-tech fuel efficient cars. In the end, these plans may earn these companies the most important money they could get right now, a loan that might help them survive to see those electric cars come to market.
 
I do enjoy how everybody is talking about how jumping on the hybrid bandwagon is going to save Detroit, while the same people claim that the reason they failed was because they jumped on the SUV bandwagon. Do they not see that while SUV's were a fad-mobile, and pouring money into them and becoming the world leaders with them gave them lots of cash at the moment, and that pouring money into hybrids and such would probably just end up doing the exact same thing when the hybrid fad dies out? We're going to need more than just endless hybrids from the Detroit three. I say they shouldn't be putting all their eggs into one basket again. Spread them out, and watch as Toyota collapses when the hybrid crazy peters out.

Toyota was also perceived as the most environmentally-friendly car brand by more car shoppers than any other.

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Isn't Toyota the company that was campaigning against emissions regulations and things to keep competition away from the Prius, and the brand that makes massive amounts of pollution producing said "green" car? Don't they also have an SUV lineup big enough to rival any company from Detroit?

One car doesn't make the brand "green," guys.
 
I'm doubting the question of whether or not the Volt will be a success, I think it will, across the board. The problem that GM is going to have is (A) Building enough of them and (B) Assuring the quality of the vehicle on the short development schedule.

There is extremely promising technology held within the car, and by most estimates, they're roughly 12-24 months ahead of the nearest mainstream competition. The success of the car is paramount for the future of the company, and if my inclinations are correct, a well-done model will bode extremely well for successor models that apply the same technology. A Cadillac version seems like a near-certainty, and I'm willing to bet that a lightweight crossover comes into play as well.
 
Look -- The Volt! During the Carpocalypse!

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**Note the Chevrolet Cruze body that its testing under**

If I'm understanding everything correctly, Rick Wagoner drove the mule through DC this morning/afternoon to show off to Congress, which was a good move.

Hmm. Odd that we need both the Volt and the Cruze to keep GM alive at this point.


I take it those men took that Volt after they left their limo outside of Washington just like the rest, right?
 
I'm doubting the question of whether or not the Volt will be a success, I think it will, across the board. The problem that GM is going to have is (A) Building enough of them and (B) Assuring the quality of the vehicle on the short development schedule.

Also since fuel prices dropped people are going to have the short sightedness not to buy fuel efficient cars.
 
Also since fuel prices dropped people are going to have the short sightedness not to buy fuel efficient cars.

I doubt it. First they'd actually need to have the money to buy those cars. With the credit crisis, people are naturally going to buy cheap... and likely buy fuel efficient cars as a default (though whoever gets stuck with an Aveo will likely be in for a nasty surprise on that front)...
 
The Cadillac Has Come

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We've known for a while that Cadillac was working on their own version of the Volt, and here it is, the Converj concept car. Overall, we can easily see the corporate "Art & Science" appearance, definitely some CTS-like looks to create an attractive exterior.

So, question is: Will people pay for a Cadillac-badged Volt? Or even choose it over the presumably cheaper HS250h?
 
There are plenty who'll go for it simply because it's a Caddy.
 
I do not like the filled in conventional grille look. It is just pretty wrong I think. And it would be a pain to keep clean.

This thing looks pretty goofy I think. And are they going for cameras instead of conventional wing mirrors there? Those things are quite small.

I think you'll have people who will want to buy American who will go for it. This could turn out to be a fairly interesting battle between it and the Lexus version.
 
*jawdrop*

Uh, wow. I can has with SS Turbo engin, plz? That thing is WAY too hot to be a hybrid.
 
I keep wondering if this design translates to the BLS replacement. But given the look, it seems a bit too conceptish to think about it that way.
 
They've gone and designed a lame duck but very badass car. It looks like it should be mid engined and rear or all wheel drive. But that wouldn't work out for Cadillac. Why did they have to make this thing look so sporty and blazing fast? With a Volt drivetrain it would be neither of those things. I don't think it'll spawn a new niche of super-sporty-looking-but-slow-and-boring-electric-coupes.

It's looks are badass, but the idea isn't. I hope this one stays a concept. Cadillac needs to work on its Luxo image before it works on its sporting image. This exterior design though, man, looks like an R8 beater...
 
Could be worse, it could look like a Prius. I'd rather the world be populated with slow-electric that look bad ass then slow-electric cars that look like, as Philly puts it, a muffin.
 
Why did they have to make this thing look so sporty and blazing fast? With a Volt drivetrain it would be neither of those things. I don't think it'll spawn a new niche of super-sporty-looking-but-slow-and-boring-electric-coupes.

Remember, it will run on all-electric power, and if they can keep the overall weight of the car down, I see no reason why it wouldn't be a point-and-shoot car for some exciting sprinting action. Nevertheless, I understand what you mean, but the insta-torque would be "interesting" to say the least when you put the pedal to the metal.

YSSMAN's Secret Theory:

Yeah, its a PHV "Concept," but I think its leading the way for the BLS. You know, the sub-CTS RWD sedan/coupe with some serious sporting potential. But... I very well could be wrong.

Interesting Photos From GMI @ NAIAS 09

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Yeah... Thats a solar panel. Wonder what they're going to do with that?

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Fancy interior. Srsly.


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Remember the Volt?

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Couple of Things:

  1. Forgot it was a four-seater
  2. Cargo area looks big
  3. Looks better, inside and out, up close
  4. OnStar... Already?
 
They certainly wouldn't put a real solar panel on the concept unless it works, or are working on making it work. The thing is a difficult translation to the BLS though--I mean, it's a low-slung coupe and the BLS kind of isn't.

But I suppose sometimes the same cars look and are built almost completely different, like the G37 sedan and Coupe.
 
I'm guessing that solar panel would be for the air conditioning and other things, similar to something Bentley or Rolls do in one of their cars.

Why did they have to make this thing look so sporty and blazing fast? With a Volt drivetrain it would be neither of those things. I don't think it'll spawn a new niche of super-sporty-looking-but-slow-and-boring-electric-coupes.

What they need to do with this one is put a diesel V6 in the middle and a huuuuuge electric motor essentially making a diesel-electric supercar! :dopey:

YSSMAN's Secret Theory:

I was thinking more or less the same thing that this was to show off the drivetrain in a Caddy and at the same time preview something else.

  1. Cargo area looks big

I didn't realize it was a hatchback. I'd say it doesn't look that big. It's pretty long, but it doesn't look like there's much room for tall things. I wouldn't doubt if I could get as much stuff in that as in other hatchbacks.
 
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