Choose Your Octane!

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Choose your Octane

  • 98 Octane

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • 95 Octane

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • 94 Octane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 93 Octane

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • 92 Octane

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • 91 Octane

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • 90 Octane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 89 Octane

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • 88 Octane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 87 Octane

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Race Fuel always!

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Closest gas station with the cheapest price

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
    37
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What Octane rating do all of you use on your cars?
I use Sunoco 94 Octane on the street and Sunoco Turbo Blue 110 Octane at the track.
 
98 leaded if I can find it, 98 as second and 95 if all else fails...
 
I edited the poll...

95 is the lowest spec you can get in the UK. It's known as "Regular" or "Premium". 98 is known as "Super".

So, it costs us a fortune, but we get more bang per litre, I suppose.
 
I use Amoco 93, hand's down the best gas in this state. There is a place that sells 94, but it's kind of hit-or-miss on the quality.

Rule of thumb: Never get gas at a station while or right after a tanker truck has filled up the stations tanks. Unless you like all the crap floating at the bottom of the barrels to get stuck/clogged in your fuel injectors. :)
 
Closest gas station with the cheapest price. I'm a jobless college student. Maybe I should get a job pumping gas....

I drive an Accord and it seems to run best on cheap, low octane gas (89-ish Octane).

It kills me when I drive my dad's WRX around though because you have to use like 93 in it and it doesn't get nearly as good gas mileage as my car. I also tend to drive it a little bit too fast and that obviously burns up gas faster. Oh well, it's still worth it. :)



-Mark
 
I use 93 with octane booster in every fill of the tank. . . It sucks because I believe in the state of Florida the highest we get is 93/94 :( I am in a world of Suck too :(
 
I like to be nice to my cars, so instead of the cheap-o! 87, I get 89. It's better for 'em. It's not too huge of a difference, just an assurance that they'll run a little cleaner.
 
I can definatly notice a difference in my car. I have an upgraded fuel system and turbo in my Talon like injectors, fuel pump, fuel computer and all that and on top of 18 psi on the street, if I put anything lower than 93 in the car it runs like ****. When I put the 110 octane in it for race day, here comes 23 psi :D
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
95 is the lowest spec you can get in the UK. It's known as "Regular" or "Premium". 98 is known as "Super".

What he said.

95 Octane costs us the equivalent of $5 per US Gallon. 98 Octane Superunleaded is around 10-15% more expensive. Ouch.
 
Here in Michigan, I pay about $2.00 a gallon for 94 Octane. And I pay about $3.50 for 110 Octane, which it is illigal to pump into your car, you have to put it in a gas barrel or a gas can, which all you need is 5 gallons to race anways.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie

So, it costs us a fortune, but we get more bang per litre, I suppose.
Actually, no. You get less bang. Anybody who tells you they get more performance just from running higher octane gas is lying to you.

Forget what Ts1 just said, for a minute. We'll come back to it.

All things being equal, higher octane gas actually has less explosive force than lower octane gas. CC per CC, the lower-octane gas will deliver more power.

BUT all things are not equal.

Too-low an octane gas will cause the car to diesel or preignite, which causes that knocking or pinging sound when the engine is under load. Preignition is B-A-D, for a number of reasons. First, it means the explosion occurs as the pistion is still on the upstroke, rather than at Top Dead Center. This stresses the reciprocating parts, and means that power is being wasted. But worse than that, it also means that when the ignition spark does arrive at the proper time, the cylinder is lean because some of the fuel has burned off already. This can drive cylinder temps through the roof, and in fact will slag the top of the piston if sustained long enough. Not good.

So really, what you want for maximum power is to run the lowest octane you can run without getting preignition. This depends on a lot of things. I'll use my 2 Neons as an example. One is a SOHC, the other is a DOHC. Now, it so happens that one of the ways that Dodge got more power out of the DOHC was to optimize the spark timing for 92 octane and calibrate the engine controller accordingly. This means it will start at a baseline ignition timing, and it will listen to its knock sensor. This baseline of spark advance is set to make the most power. If the controller hears knock (from running cheaper gas), it will back off the spark advance until the knock goes away, sacrificing power for durability. It will always try to nudge the spark advance back up if it can, so if you switch to good fuel, it will work it's way back to full power across several tanks' worth. Yay!

The SOHC, on the other hand, is calibrated for 89 octane. Even if I run 94 octane, it's never going to advance the spark past that point, so I'm just wasting money and power by running the safer, less volatile gas.

Which is, of course, why I got a Mopar Performance SOHC engine controller, which has tons o' spark advance, needs 92-94 octane, and which made a big difference in the power output. Not from the gas itself, but from what the gas lets the engine do.

Which is why TS1 does what he does. Forced induction or high compression are two ways of making big power, but they both totally depend on fuel that will not preignite. So the more stable, higher octanes are a must for boosted or built engines.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Which is why TS1 does what he does. Forced induction or high compression are two ways of making big power, but they both totally depend on fuel that will not preignite. So the more stable, higher octanes are a must for boosted or built engines.

Exactly, If im going to the track and of course want to up the boost, If I even try to run anything over 19 psi with pump gas, my engine is going to knock off the charts.. The higher octane allows me to run 23 psi. Octane is very important for a turbocharged car.
 
Originally posted by miata13B
I use 93 with octane booster in every fill of the tank. . .

Make sure you are not using a booster that contains a cleaner. That cleaning solution will fry your injectors if they are not dirty.


91 octane is the highest octane I can get out here in CO.

Nice post Duke, but could you explain to me why my 91 octane gas at high altitude is equivelant to the 93 octane at sea-level?
 
I believe it has to do with reduced air density at higher altitudes. The dense sea-level air contains more oxygen per given volume, and therefore supports more combustion. The higher you go, the less oxygen in your mix, so preignition is less likely at high altitudes than at low altitudes. So you can get away with running lower-octane gas.

That's why quarter-mile times are worse at altitude, and why so many piston-engined airplanes are supercharged.

Preignition is also why a naturally-aspirated engine buildup often involves raising compression, while a turbo buildup often involves lowering compression. Boost plus high compression just makes it too hard to stop the engine from dieseling.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
Make sure you are not using a booster that contains a cleaner. That cleaning solution will fry your injectors if they are not dirty.

Hellz No. . . I never use the cleaning solution in it. . . I go to my boy at his shop to pick up the Booster direct from him. It is the same stuff he uses in his drag car. Him and I have worked on cars together for the past 5 years, if there was anyone I would trust with the keys to my car it would be him :D
 
Great post there Duke 👍

You also might add what my auto shop teacher said about octane ratings. It's a measurement of how fast the gas burns. The higher the octane, the slower the rate of the burn.

I built my hot rod to run on plain, old 89.
 
I currently use 93 octane in my Lancer. Duke can you tell me how I could figure out the most efficiant octane to use for my car other than dumping **** gas in it to see if it knocks?
 
Oh, and a word on octane ratings, besides what has been mentioned.

In case anyone is curious as to why European (and Australian, I think) gasoline has higher octane ratings, the system of reporting is different. In North America, you'll notice the pumps say "(R+M)/2" on them. What this means is the overall octane rating is the average of two tests, Research and Motor.

The RON (Research Octane Number) is obtained by running an engine at 600rpm with a fixed timing at 13° BTDC at 60°F, 0% humidity, and 29.92 inches of mercury barometric pressure.

MON (Motor Octane Number) follows a different test. A single cylinder 4 stroke engine is run at 900rpm, with the fuel heated to 300°F and intake heated to 100°F.

After determining RON and MON, the values are added together and divided by two to obtain an average, and what is considered a more realistic representation of the actual octane rating of the fuel.

European gasoline is reported as the RON, which is always higher than MON. In effect, 98 RON is equivalent to 91-94 (R+M)/2, and 95 RON is about 89 (R+M)/2. The stuff I use, 87 (R+M)/2, is about 93 RON (maybe a little less).
 
I'd get whatever the manufacturer suggests I put into the gas tank.

Why the hell do some people shop around for gas prices? I've been in the car with people who do this and it boggles my mind. They drive out of their way to save a dime, and in the process burn 45 cents worth of gas.
 
I recently bought a WRX. The salesman told me some good ol' 87 would be fine. He seems like a good guy and sort of knows what he's talking about, but I think I'll go with the 91.
 
Originally posted by Goomba
I recently bought a WRX. The salesman told me some good ol' 87 would be fine. He seems like a good guy and sort of knows what he's talking about, but I think I'll go with the 91.

What's your cars manuel (sp? WTF? :odd: ) tell you to use? ;)
 
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